49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I kerp hearing that finding good QB´s is very hard but in the last 6 seasons this has happened:

-ChIefs got Mahomes
-Chargers got Herbert
-Cardinals got Murray
-Bengals got Burrow
-Eagles got Hurts
-Bills got Allen
-Dolphins got Tua
-Ravens got Jackson
-Buccaneers signed Brady
-Texans got Watson
-Browns traded for Watson
-Rams traded for Stafford
-Broncos traded for Wilson

Some of them are better than others but they all are better than Jimmy.

But yeah. Shanahan can´t get the QB position right in his 6th season because good QB´s are hard to find and when he mortaged the farm for a kid with a cannon arm he used him like a FB.

Absolutely correct

Yet, some still thought It made sense to bring Jimmy back because of his contract restructure. This Front office never learns.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm curious who fans would want instead of Kyle. I'm guessing they would want some OC with no HC experience (like Kyle was). No sure things in the coaching world.

Wwe should probably give Kyle one more year after this before we even think of replacing him.

Hopefully Lance becomes that guy and hopefully Kyle doesn't get him killed again.

I hope Kyle is our coach for the next ten years, I believe in him, but I just hope he pulls his head out of ass and gets it together. He has some issues he needs to work on, like trust, etc. Part of me wouldn't mind switching Demeco to HC, Kyle to OC, and maybe Fangio, or a fresfly fired Saleh, to DC. A reshuffling of the old gang, but that's just a fantasy. I think Kyle is a slow starter, and he's a QB away from putting it together. getting that QB is the problem.

Kyle may not be the greatest coach ever but he has managed to get the team to one SB and 2 NFL championship games when the team was healthy. That's better than most teams have done.

Teams that constantly change coaches usually don't have a lot of success. You're much better off riding out the bad years if you have a coach that has shown he can win. Coaches don't suddenly forget how to coach.

Originally posted by BP22:
I hope Kyle is our coach for the next ten years, I believe in him, but I just hope he pulls his head out of ass and gets it together. He has some issues he needs to work on, like trust, etc. Part of me wouldn't mind switching Demeco to HC, Kyle to OC, and maybe Fangio, or a fresfly fired Saleh, to DC. A reshuffling of the old gang, but that's just a fantasy. I think Kyle is a slow starter, and he's a QB away from putting it together. getting that QB is the problem.

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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by BP22:
I hope Kyle is our coach for the next ten years, I believe in him, but I just hope he pulls his head out of ass and gets it together. He has some issues he needs to work on, like trust, etc. Part of me wouldn't mind switching Demeco to HC, Kyle to OC, and maybe Fangio, or a fresfly fired Saleh, to DC. A reshuffling of the old gang, but that's just a fantasy. I think Kyle is a slow starter, and he's a QB away from putting it together. getting that QB is the problem.

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everywhere, but with a few completed passes in the last game it's a blowout win

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I kerp hearing that finding good QB´s is very hard but in the last 6 seasons this has happened:

-ChIefs got Mahomes
-Chargers got Herbert
-Cardinals got Murray
-Bengals got Burrow
-Eagles got Hurts
-Bills got Allen
-Dolphins got Tua
-Ravens got Jackson
-Buccaneers signed Brady
-Texans got Watson
-Browns traded for Watson
-Rams traded for Stafford
-Broncos traded for Wilson

Some of them are better than others but they all are better than Jimmy.

But yeah. Shanahan can´t get the QB position right in his 6th season because good QB´s are hard to find and when he mortaged the farm for a kid with a cannon arm he used him like a FB.

Ouch.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
As much as i can't stand jimmy right now, I hope jimmy drives the bus over shanny on the way out of town. I do not trust shannahan with trey one bit.

LMAO. You got that the other way around. If KS trusted Trey, he would be calling up pass plays like he did Jimmy, which was a mistake.

Neither of them were the strength of the team this season and previous with Jimmy and all those backups who are gone aka the QB1 and QB2 position. It's the D and they better rely on the running game to produce without Mitchell on Sunday cause as we know the QB is getting carried and has been a game manager at best 🤣

It's clear that Jimmy isn't trusting the playcalling. But isn't that on Jimmy more? I see him going to his 2nd and 3rd read and forcing balls into tight, sometimes double coverage. It's in my opinion why the rhythm is so off.
Kyle and Jimmy need to have private tutoring meetings on what Jimmy is seeing and why he's not throwing to his primary. Often times I saw Aiyuk in single coverage and I don't know why Jimmy didn't go there like he did against the Seahawks. The opposing defenses are doubling and swarming Debo and if they see him in the backfield they're all keying on him. It's time to preserve Debo and use him as a decoy and expose those 1 on 1s whether it's Yuk, Juice, Ray Ray. And damn I know we don't like giving rookies a chance but run Gray out there a few times and if he gets single coverage throw a deep one to stretch the field. We need to open up the depth of that box.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I kerp hearing that finding good QB´s is very hard but in the last 6 seasons this has happened:

-ChIefs got Mahomes
-Chargers got Herbert
-Cardinals got Murray
-Bengals got Burrow
-Eagles got Hurts
-Bills got Allen
-Dolphins got Tua
-Ravens got Jackson
-Buccaneers signed Brady
-Texans got Watson
-Browns traded for Watson
-Rams traded for Stafford
-Broncos traded for Wilson

Some of them are better than others but they all are better than Jimmy.

But yeah. Shanahan can´t get the QB position right in his 6th season because good QB´s are hard to find and when he mortaged the farm for a kid with a cannon arm he used him like a FB.

9 young QBs in 6 years found in the draft. So an average of 1.5 QBs a year.

If it isn't hard to identify and land a FQB, why are these guys not going #1 every single year? Only one of the 9 was the top overall pick, the rest weren't.

It's because there is no science or proven formula to identifying or drafting a FQB. It has always required a level of luck.

Originally posted by evil:
9 young QBs in 6 years found in the draft. So an average of 1.5 QBs a year.

If it isn't hard to identify and land a FQB, why are these guys not going #1 every single year? Only one of the 9 was the top overall pick, the rest weren't.

It's because there is no science or proven formula to identifying or drafting a FQB. It has always required a level of luck.

2 of em. Burrow and Murray

Thing with everyone of those guys is they were all given more than just 4 starts. Most took development time to be really good.

The issue with Kyle is he's not all gas no brakes. He's speeds early on, but feels like he slows down and we don't score anymore.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I kerp hearing that finding good QB´s is very hard but in the last 6 seasons this has happened:

-ChIefs got Mahomes
-Chargers got Herbert
-Cardinals got Murray
-Bengals got Burrow
-Eagles got Hurts
-Bills got Allen
-Dolphins got Tua
-Ravens got Jackson
-Buccaneers signed Brady
-Texans got Watson
-Browns traded for Watson
-Rams traded for Stafford
-Broncos traded for Wilson

Some of them are better than others but they all are better than Jimmy.

But yeah. Shanahan can´t get the QB position right in his 6th season because good QB´s are hard to find and when he mortaged the farm for a kid with a cannon arm he used him like a FB.

It's quite obvious that the Niners have built and drafted the team around our defense. It's becoming apparent that we never put much emphasis on drafting offensive playmakers because we have the MAGICIAN in Kyle and we could simply plug and play basically anyone and the MAGICIAN could use his super powers to scheme a dynamic offense just good enough to score more points than we give up.

At the beginning of the season, I was very excited about our offensive weapons and now that Trey is injured, my expectations are been lowered dramatically. Now it's just meh..... I see receivers that can't separate and get open. I see a play caller that goes back to the well one too many times not realizing the entire NFL has caught on to his scheme. I absolutely cringe at another season of George frickin' Kittle having to stay back to help block....grrrrrrrrr. We are in dire need of a quality 3rd receiver, sorry Ray Ray or Jennings don't cut it.

We rolled the dice with Trey and I like to stay optimistic but I'm not holding my breath on his development.

Now our offense is just bland. Kyle is too stubborn to admit the play calling needs help. Our only chance to win games is with defense. I see lots of low scoring games in the crystal ball.

Hey, but what about that defense? LOL.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
As much as i can't stand jimmy right now, I hope jimmy drives the bus over shanny on the way out of town. I do not trust shannahan with trey one bit.

LMAO. You got that the other way around. If KS trusted Trey, he would be calling up pass plays like he did Jimmy, which was a mistake.

Neither of them were the strength of the team this season and previous with Jimmy and all those backups who are gone aka the QB1 and QB2 position. It's the D and they better rely on the running game to produce without Mitchell on Sunday cause as we know the QB is getting carried and has been a game manager at best 🤣

It's clear that Jimmy isn't trusting the playcalling. But isn't that on Jimmy more? I see him going to his 2nd and 3rd read and forcing balls into tight, sometimes double coverage. It's in my opinion why the rhythm is so off.
Kyle and Jimmy need to have private tutoring meetings on what Jimmy is seeing and why he's not throwing to his primary. Often times I saw Aiyuk in single coverage and I don't know why Jimmy didn't go there like he did against the Seahawks. The opposing defenses are doubling and swarming Debo and if they see him in the backfield they're all keying on him. It's time to preserve Debo and use him as a decoy and expose those 1 on 1s whether it's Yuk, Juice, Ray Ray. And damn I know we don't like giving rookies a chance but run Gray out there a few times and if he gets single coverage throw a deep one to stretch the field. We need to open up the depth of that box.

Tim Kawakami had a nice article today in The Athletic in which he pointed out the obvious lack of connection between Shanahan and Garoppolo. With only one week of preparation, the results were rather predictable.

While JG repeated some mistakes from the past, this was the worst game he has played as a 49er. He will get better.

It was also one of Shanahan's worst games as OC. He admitted he made several bad play calls that he wished he could do over again.

Let's hope both of those guys return to 2019 form. We won't win many games if they do not return and do it together.

Originally posted by bigpete50:

Now our offense is just bland. Kyle is too stubborn to admit the play calling needs help. Our only chance to win games is with defense. I see lots of low scoring games in the crystal ball.

Hey, but what about that defense? LOL.

It is pretty clear that Mike McDaniel, the workaholic who didn't even take time to shower regularly, was a bigger part of the offense than most people realized. Can Kyle pick up the slack? Is Anthony Lynn contributing anything of value?

The offensive brain drain this past offseason was HUGE. We have lost QUALITY people over the past two years. At some point, that starts to show. Right now, it needs to start with Brian Griese, however, like Lance, he is also very inexperienced in his current position. Does Griese have any input into play design and selection that can help the QB?

Right now, there are more questions than answers on the offensive side, and it may take some time to find the answers. Long term, we need to find a way to keep quality assistants but that is not easy. It is what it is.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I kerp hearing that finding good QB´s is very hard but in the last 6 seasons this has happened:

-ChIefs got Mahomes
-Chargers got Herbert
-Cardinals got Murray
-Bengals got Burrow
-Eagles got Hurts
-Bills got Allen
-Dolphins got Tua
-Ravens got Jackson
-Buccaneers signed Brady
-Texans got Watson
-Browns traded for Watson
-Rams traded for Stafford
-Broncos traded for Wilson

Some of them are better than others but they all are better than Jimmy.

But yeah. Shanahan can´t get the QB position right in his 6th season because good QB´s are hard to find and when he mortaged the farm for a kid with a cannon arm he used him like a FB.

Absolutely correct

Yet, some still thought It made sense to bring Jimmy back because of his contract restructure. This Front office never learns.

I don't see that as the problem. That was insurance for exactly what happened, an injury to trey - the guy who this organization is all in on.