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Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Check out post #1717 in thread, 49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan.


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And I don't buy it. It doesn't make any sense. If there were deeper issues he would have been out by now. The guy is all about money (which, is totally fine!). The only thing I don't like about him, in terms of character, is that he tries to play it up as though it isn't about money. Oh, and pushing that charity ref was pretty douchey

Polkadots, that is NOT what post #1717 said..you didn't even bother to read it.

Interesting reply for something you didn't look at.
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Originally posted by 49ers81:
This was part of a response to what I thought was a really informative Mail Bag article by Matt Maiocco in the news feed today. It had to do with a question about whether or not Beathard would get a start this year but has a lot to do with how the 49er staff are viewing the season in general.

"The 49ers know their roster is not built to win right now. This season is all about setting up the organization for the future. It was paramount that the 49ers brought in a quarterback this season that fits the offensive system. Hoyer knows the system. And he is the style of quarterback that Shanahan envisions for the 49ers into the future. Shanahan made the determination shortly after becoming head coach that Colin Kaepernick's skillset was not a match for his offense.

All things being equal, yes, I think it's obvious Kaepernick is a better player than Hoyer. But if the 49ers retained Kaepernick this season, Shanahan would have been forced to make major tweaks to his offense to take full advantage of Kaepernick's style. Hoyer underperformed in the 49ers' first four games. While he does not appear to fit into the team's long-term plans, he serves a valuable purpose of being a placeholder at the quarterback position while helping prepare the rest of the offense for the future.After all, every player on offense is learning and training in a way that will help them in 2018 and beyond. If the 49ers had a quarterback who does not fit the system, then this would be a wasted year for every player on offense."

This isn't meant to be any kind of back handed slam towards Kaepernick but rather seems to emphasize that this year isn't going to be about wins and losses so much as it will be about everyone learning the system and laying the foundation for whatever comes next. I think the learning process includes not only the players but the coaches and GM as well. Shanahan needs to learn more about how to be both an offensive coordinator and a head coach. Saleh needs to learn more about how to be a defensive coordinator. Lynch needs to learn more about how to be a GM. I haven't seen anything so far this year that leads me to believe that they won't get there.

The team is playing better on some fronts, The offensive scheme is clearly better than it has been for awhile. It just needs better execution to make it work. That may involve more understanding by the players or more discipline, or it may mean they need new players in some places. That is what they are trying to find out, in the meantime they are doing the best they can with what they have. Which means that all of this handwringing and bed wetting over Shanahan is probably a bit premature. Most likely how he an Lynch are doing won't be even be discernable until next year at the earliest when we find out what is going to happen at the QB position. Go Niners!!

What am absolutely terrific post!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
This was part of a response to what I thought was a really informative Mail Bag article by Matt Maiocco in the news feed today. It had to do with a question about whether or not Beathard would get a start this year but has a lot to do with how the 49er staff are viewing the season in general.

"The 49ers know their roster is not built to win right now. This season is all about setting up the organization for the future. It was paramount that the 49ers brought in a quarterback this season that fits the offensive system. Hoyer knows the system. And he is the style of quarterback that Shanahan envisions for the 49ers into the future. Shanahan made the determination shortly after becoming head coach that Colin Kaepernick's skillset was not a match for his offense.

All things being equal, yes, I think it's obvious Kaepernick is a better player than Hoyer. But if the 49ers retained Kaepernick this season, Shanahan would have been forced to make major tweaks to his offense to take full advantage of Kaepernick's style. Hoyer underperformed in the 49ers' first four games. While he does not appear to fit into the team's long-term plans, he serves a valuable purpose of being a placeholder at the quarterback position while helping prepare the rest of the offense for the future.After all, every player on offense is learning and training in a way that will help them in 2018 and beyond. If the 49ers had a quarterback who does not fit the system, then this would be a wasted year for every player on offense."

This isn't meant to be any kind of back handed slam towards Kaepernick but rather seems to emphasize that this year isn't going to be about wins and losses so much as it will be about everyone learning the system and laying the foundation for whatever comes next. I think the learning process includes not only the players but the coaches and GM as well. Shanahan needs to learn more about how to be both an offensive coordinator and a head coach. Saleh needs to learn more about how to be a defensive coordinator. Lynch needs to learn more about how to be a GM. I haven't seen anything so far this year that leads me to believe that they won't get there.

The team is playing better on some fronts, The offensive scheme is clearly better than it has been for awhile. It just needs better execution to make it work. That may involve more understanding by the players or more discipline, or it may mean they need new players in some places. That is what they are trying to find out, in the meantime they are doing the best they can with what they have. Which means that all of this handwringing and bed wetting over Shanahan is probably a bit premature. Most likely how he an Lynch are doing won't be even be discernable until next year at the earliest when we find out what is going to happen at the QB position. Go Niners!!

What am absolutely terrific post!

Well, I can't take too much credit for it. Most of the insight comes from Maiocco's article which is worth reading for those who may have missed it. All in all I am very encouraged by what I am seeing this year. Though there have obviously been struggles it seems like the team is on the right track. Both Lynch and Shanahan are young guys who could be around for a long time, which is something that has been missing from the franchise since, I don't know, maybe George Seifert. Seems to me that the organizations that are successful are the ones that have some kind of stability in their coaching and front office. That's what we need now more than anything, stability and continuity. It can't help that the team had three head coaches in six years and all that that entails, new schemes, new needs, new personalities. It can't have been easy on the players. Hopefully Shanahan and Lynch will get the team to buy into what they are doing and get them back to where they are competing for championships on a regular basis. Go Niners!!
[ Edited by 49ers81 on Oct 7, 2017 at 6:05 PM ]
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Originally posted by 49ers81:
This was part of a response to what I thought was a really informative Mail Bag article by Matt Maiocco in the news feed today. It had to do with a question about whether or not Beathard would get a start this year but has a lot to do with how the 49er staff are viewing the season in general.

"The 49ers know their roster is not built to win right now. This season is all about setting up the organization for the future. It was paramount that the 49ers brought in a quarterback this season that fits the offensive system. Hoyer knows the system. And he is the style of quarterback that Shanahan envisions for the 49ers into the future. Shanahan made the determination shortly after becoming head coach that Colin Kaepernick's skillset was not a match for his offense.

All things being equal, yes, I think it's obvious Kaepernick is a better player than Hoyer. But if the 49ers retained Kaepernick this season, Shanahan would have been forced to make major tweaks to his offense to take full advantage of Kaepernick's style. Hoyer underperformed in the 49ers' first four games. While he does not appear to fit into the team's long-term plans, he serves a valuable purpose of being a placeholder at the quarterback position while helping prepare the rest of the offense for the future.After all, every player on offense is learning and training in a way that will help them in 2018 and beyond. If the 49ers had a quarterback who does not fit the system, then this would be a wasted year for every player on offense."

This isn't meant to be any kind of back handed slam towards Kaepernick but rather seems to emphasize that this year isn't going to be about wins and losses so much as it will be about everyone learning the system and laying the foundation for whatever comes next. I think the learning process includes not only the players but the coaches and GM as well. Shanahan needs to learn more about how to be both an offensive coordinator and a head coach. Saleh needs to learn more about how to be a defensive coordinator. Lynch needs to learn more about how to be a GM. I haven't seen anything so far this year that leads me to believe that they won't get there.

The team is playing better on some fronts, The offensive scheme is clearly better than it has been for awhile. It just needs better execution to make it work. That may involve more understanding by the players or more discipline, or it may mean they need new players in some places. That is what they are trying to find out, in the meantime they are doing the best they can with what they have. Which means that all of this handwringing and bed wetting over Shanahan is probably a bit premature. Most likely how he an Lynch are doing won't be even be discernable until next year at the earliest when we find out what is going to happen at the QB position. Go Niners!!


Totally agree
Kirk is a douche. Of course he's going to get not a single iota of criticism though because it's OK to be all about the money with nothing to show for it as long as you are in the mold of a standard, drop back QB.

I will never understand the love for this guy. I'd take Alex over this guy any day of the week.
Anyone else remember when we used to script the first 15 plays of the game? That used to be tremendously successful, and I was wondering what Kyle's philosophy is on it? Now that the WCO has returned, anyone else like to see that?
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
This was part of a response to what I thought was a really informative Mail Bag article by Matt Maiocco in the news feed today. It had to do with a question about whether or not Beathard would get a start this year but has a lot to do with how the 49er staff are viewing the season in general.

"The 49ers know their roster is not built to win right now. This season is all about setting up the organization for the future. It was paramount that the 49ers brought in a quarterback this season that fits the offensive system. Hoyer knows the system. And he is the style of quarterback that Shanahan envisions for the 49ers into the future. Shanahan made the determination shortly after becoming head coach that Colin Kaepernick's skillset was not a match for his offense.

All things being equal, yes, I think it's obvious Kaepernick is a better player than Hoyer. But if the 49ers retained Kaepernick this season, Shanahan would have been forced to make major tweaks to his offense to take full advantage of Kaepernick's style. Hoyer underperformed in the 49ers' first four games. While he does not appear to fit into the team's long-term plans, he serves a valuable purpose of being a placeholder at the quarterback position while helping prepare the rest of the offense for the future.After all, every player on offense is learning and training in a way that will help them in 2018 and beyond. If the 49ers had a quarterback who does not fit the system, then this would be a wasted year for every player on offense."

This isn't meant to be any kind of back handed slam towards Kaepernick but rather seems to emphasize that this year isn't going to be about wins and losses so much as it will be about everyone learning the system and laying the foundation for whatever comes next. I think the learning process includes not only the players but the coaches and GM as well. Shanahan needs to learn more about how to be both an offensive coordinator and a head coach. Saleh needs to learn more about how to be a defensive coordinator. Lynch needs to learn more about how to be a GM. I haven't seen anything so far this year that leads me to believe that they won't get there.

The team is playing better on some fronts, The offensive scheme is clearly better than it has been for awhile. It just needs better execution to make it work. That may involve more understanding by the players or more discipline, or it may mean they need new players in some places. That is what they are trying to find out, in the meantime they are doing the best they can with what they have. Which means that all of this handwringing and bed wetting over Shanahan is probably a bit premature. Most likely how he an Lynch are doing won't be even be discernable until next year at the earliest when we find out what is going to happen at the QB position. Go Niners!!

What am absolutely terrific post!

Well, I can't take too much credit for it. Most of the insight comes from Maiocco's article which is worth reading for those who may have missed it. All in all I am very encouraged by what I am seeing this year. Though there have obviously been struggles it seems like the team is on the right track. Both Lynch and Shanahan are young guys who could be around for a long time, which is something that has been missing from the franchise since, I don't know, maybe George Seifert. Seems to me that the organizations that are successful are the ones that have some kind of stability in their coaching and front office. That's what we need now more than anything, stability and continuity. It can't help that the team had three head coaches in six years and all that that entails, new schemes, new needs, new personalities. It can't have been easy on the players. Hopefully Shanahan and Lynch will get the team to buy into what they are doing and get them back to where they are competing for championships on a regular basis. Go Niners!!

This is exactly what many of us have been saying since the day we got Hoyer.
Originally posted by NCommand:


What an absolutely terrific post!

I think I've seen you say the exact same things over the past couple months. I've seen a few of us spreading the same message. It's 100% right.

If I had seen fellow fans saying Hoyer is our long term QB I probably would've mentioned most of the info in that article.

At the same time if I thought ShanaLynch hired Hoyer to be our long term solution at QB I'd be freaking out.
KS should get his first win of the year tomorrow.... even a Tomsula type effort on the sidelines should get it done.... In JT's defense, I will say that he certainly had more sideline presence.
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Im just simply saying in the end well offer just as much if not more.

Now if you're saying unless we do offer more money then we wont get him..then i disagree cAuse i think we can atleast match Washington's offer.

Let me ask you this doe.. If we do offer more money, you think he DOES come?

Yes. 100%. The team that offers him the most money is where the "Lord" will lead him, assuming all other variables are the same.

There is room for discussion re guaranteed money, length of contract etc., but I can't foresee any situation where the contracts will differ in these amounts. KC's agent knows what he wants and he will make sure the teams interested in KC fulfill those requirements before the bidding even begins.

And yes, I agree with the amount the 49ers will offer. If KS is dead set on KC, KC will become the highest paid QB in the league by a mile.

But, again, I think if one is to look throughout NFL history, you will find excellent teams with above average QBs account for about as many trophies as do teams with excellent QBs surrounded by above average players. I think paying KC what he will demand is just too much on a guy who has shown to be eerily similar to Peyton Manning (before his last few years). HoF regular season guy with an unproven post-season CV.

The Skins had a poor defense and average run game the last couple years. Their defense is looking better this year. At least in the Raider game. I don't think Cousins is going to carry a below average team to the playoffs. If we land him we'll still need better gaurds, a WR and a pass rusher.

Landing Cousins will make that easier to do in the draft. Five picks in the first three rounds. That would make his hefty contract worth it. If we manage to get some decent starters on rookie contracts it will offset KC's contract. In a couple few years his contract will be average.

IF it woukd be something that absolutely cripples the team then drafting QB would be wiser. Another reason we need a great draft spot this year. He may stay in Washington. Who knows what will happen.
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
You mean like a franchise tag?

That would be stupid. $34.5M basically means they have to let a lot of guys go.

They will transition tag him. We will bid on him. Highest bidder wins, plain and simple.

Considering they'll have between $50-$60M in cap space, it'd be tight but they could afford it.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Check out post #1717 in thread, 49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan.


It says:

And I don't buy it. It doesn't make any sense. If there were deeper issues he would have been out by now. The guy is all about money (which, is totally fine!). The only thing I don't like about him, in terms of character, is that he tries to play it up as though it isn't about money. Oh, and pushing that charity ref was pretty douchey

Polkadots, that is NOT what post #1717 said..you didn't even bother to read it.

Interesting reply for something you didn't look at.

Sorry, I quoted post #1717 from this thread and responded to it. I have no idea what thread you are referring to. Why would you cite a different thread and not provide a link or the quote

Hell, even searching here via Advanced Search and using Google doesn't give me a result for a thread named "49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan." Help me out and I will reply to the post you are talking about
[ Edited by Polkadots on Oct 7, 2017 at 9:46 PM ]
Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
The Skins had a poor defense and average run game the last couple years. Their defense is looking better this year. At least in the Raider game. I don't think Cousins is going to carry a below average team to the playoffs. If we land him we'll still need better gaurds, a WR and a pass rusher.

Landing Cousins will make that easier to do in the draft. Five picks in the first three rounds. That would make his hefty contract worth it. If we manage to get some decent starters on rookie contracts it will offset KC's contract. In a couple few years his contract will be average.

IF it woukd be something that absolutely cripples the team then drafting QB would be wiser. Another reason we need a great draft spot this year. He may stay in Washington. Who knows what will happen.

But what is the window? Do you see KC having enough talent around him to win a Super Bowl before his first contract expires (at his age I think he is looking to get two more contracts before he retires @ 4/5 years each)?

I look at what Joe's contract did in Baltimore, and I wonder if KC takes a 4/5 year max contract, even if front loaded, would there be enough money to fill the gaps we have left in FA? I think Lynch would have to hit home runs on a lot of picks, which I certainly hope he can. But after Baalke I am pessimistic.
Originally posted by FL9er:
Considering they'll have between $50-$60M in cap space, it'd be tight but they could afford it.

54 million per spotrac if you roll over this cap. Problem being that is for 38 guys so giving Cousins that money limits the rest of the pool significantly.
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Oct 7, 2017 at 11:09 PM ]
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