49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Shanny's plays are getting guys open. Guys are taking turns f**king it up.

It's the coaching man. Shanahan is coaching Hoyer to miss open receivers and hes' coaching the receivers to drop passes so we could lose and get a higher draft pick.

I know a guy who knows a guy who knows things.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

He could have had a #2 overall qb but passed in order to draft a college DR for the third straight year.
The choice was to pass on QBs and roll with Hoyer.

Are we not allowed to draft or sign QBs now that we have Hoyer?

Didn't realize it was Trubisky or Hoyer for life. Where do I sign to join the F* Shanahan crew?

What does your question have to do with what I posted? I have never said F* Shanahan.
Someone mentioned that the Rams have an advantage because they used a high pick on a QB and I pointed out that Shanahan had that option as well.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Just another thing about Shanny. I don't like how he's building us to be Washington West. Goodwin and Robinson are placeholder players but it does give you an insight on what he's looking to do there. Goodwin is an attempt at Jackson. Bring in Cousins and you get Wsh's o.

My thoughts there. Get the fg kicker ready. A lot of yards, not so great on points. Shanny had that problem in Wsh, it's continued even as Cousins grew with Gruden. It's not Atl's high powered offense.

What's wrong with Washington's offense if we get a better defense in place? Their offense was 12th in points and 3rd in yards last year.

We're now complaining at the idea of replicating that???

Seriously? We'd have a much stronger running game here as well which would improve the scoring numbers. Robert Kelly and Alfred Morris aren't exactly on Hyde's level.

I remember when HaRoman were around and ranking 11th in pts was unacceptable.

Originally posted by jcs:
You mean what he hand picked and put in place...

you're right, I forgot he's been here for years drafting, signing free agents and developing the talent.... not one off season of drafting and signing whatever he could in one free agency to fill some holes lol

Sometimes I think about the things said on here and then I remember that critical thinking skills are scarce, unfortunately. That is one of the reasons it is so easy to succeed in America lol competition is usually lousy

Shanny is responsible for the overall sloppy play. Lots of mistakes by many players.

Who cares if your scheme is great if your guys fumble and commit penalties up and down the field.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What does your question have to do with what I posted? I have never said F* Shanahan.
Someone mentioned that the Rams have an advantage because they used a high pick on a QB and I pointed out that Shanahan had that option as well.

There's a difference between inheriting a QB drafted #1 overall with NFL experience and having to draft a QB #2 overall and starting him as a rookie in a complicated scheme. Especially when Trubisky had 1 year of starting experience in a non pro system.

McVay had the advantage of walking into a situation with a talented QB in place and a talented RB in place and a solid D.

Shanahan stepped into a giant chit show which cannot be fixed in 1 season.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Shanny is responsible for the overall sloppy play. Lots of mistakes by many players.

Who cares if your scheme is great if your guys fumble and commit penalties up and down the field.

Patriots turned the ball over twice last night and had 12 penalties which is more than we've ever had in a game this season.

Does that mean Belichick is a crappy HC? Or could it mean that players don't always do what they are taught or coached?

Last I checked coaches didn't teach their players to fumble or commit penalties...it happens.

Originally posted by genus49:
Patriots turned the ball over twice last night and had 12 penalties which is more than we've ever had in a game this season.

Does that mean Belichick is a crappy HC? Or could it mean that players don't always do what they are taught or coached?

Last I checked coaches didn't teach their players to fumble or commit penalties...it happens.

Players do things out of habit. If the coaches allow them to get away with things in practice or don't correct them when they see them, the players will carry those bad habits into games. Belichick is an old guy, he could be losing his touch.

Have to confess that I can't really fathom all of the drama around Shanahan four games into his first season. They are one of the youngest teams in the league, they have rookies and UDFA's all over their roster, they have a QB whose only real upside is that he knows the system which, by all accounts, is a complex one which requires time to master and yet all you seem to read in this thread is how "disappointed" everybody is with him and what a bad choice he was. Seems to me that he was a really good choice, a "legacy" hire who will help bring the offense back to some sort of respectability. You can see that a lot of the schemes he's using will be effective once the team starts executing better, i.e. fewer penalties and drops.

There seems to be a lot of bed wetting over this draft pick they could have had or that draft pick. like Kareem Hunt, I don't follow the draft that closely but I don't seem to recall his name coming up that often in pre-draft chatter about who were the best backs coming out of college. Same with Dak Prescott last year. If everybody knew that these guys were going to be so good they would have gone in the first round and not in the 3rd and 4th round. Every other team in the league made the same mistake and yet somehow it's only the 49ers who screwed up because Shanahan and Lynch are in "over their heads".

I always figured this would be a transitional year, probably with more good than bad, but I think the team is clearly better than it was and seems to be moving in the right direction, which seems to me to be about all you can ask at this point. Go Niners!!

post script -- How is it that Shanahan is responsible for player's penalties and fumbles? You can try and instill discipline and ball security during practice I guess but at some point players have to take responsibility for their own play. Not sure how you can blame that entirely on the coach. Is Andy Reid responsible for the bone-headed penalties Travis Kelce has had this year because he can't control himself after making a play? What's it been two 15 yarders for taunting and unsportsmanlike conduct, each of which wiped out a big gain. That would piss me off more than what our team has been going through.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by jcs:
You mean what he hand picked and put in place...

you're right, I forgot he's been here for years drafting, signing free agents and developing the talent.... not one off season of drafting and signing whatever he could in one free agency to fill some holes lol

Sometimes I think about the things said on here and then I remember that critical thinking skills are scarce, unfortunately. That is one of the reasons it is so easy to succeed in America lol competition is usually lousy

you got that right

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Shanny is responsible for the overall sloppy play. Lots of mistakes by many players.

Who cares if your scheme is great if your guys fumble and commit penalties up and down the field.

Patriots turned the ball over twice last night and had 12 penalties which is more than we've ever had in a game this season.

Does that mean Belichick is a crappy HC? Or could it mean that players don't always do what they are taught or coached?

Last I checked coaches didn't teach their players to fumble or commit penalties...it happens.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Shanny is responsible for the overall sloppy play. Lots of mistakes by many players.

Who cares if your scheme is great if your guys fumble and commit penalties up and down the field.

Patriots turned the ball over twice last night and had 12 penalties which is more than we've ever had in a game this season.

Does that mean Belichick is a crappy HC? Or could it mean that players don't always do what they are taught or coached?

Last I checked coaches didn't teach their players to fumble or commit penalties...it happens.

Belly has a proven track record and i expect him to turn his team around. We have seen that.

This is shanny's first rodeo so i'm not sure if he has it yet. We haven't seen that.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Shanny's plays are getting guys open. Guys are taking turns f**king it up.

He's hc now. He's responsible if he's playing qb's who can't throw and receivers who can't catch. I don't see anyone criticizing the schemes.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

What does your question have to do with what I posted? I have never said F* Shanahan.
Someone mentioned that the Rams have an advantage because they used a high pick on a QB and I pointed out that Shanahan had that option as well.

There's a difference between inheriting a QB drafted #1 overall with NFL experience and having to draft a QB #2 overall and starting him as a rookie in a complicated scheme. Especially when Trubisky had 1 year of starting experience in a non pro system.

McVay had the advantage of walking into a situation with a talented QB in place and a talented RB in place and a solid D.

Shanahan stepped into a giant chit show which cannot be fixed in 1 season.

We've been over the 2017 QB thing 50 times. One ends up posting the same thing over and over because all of the criticism continues no matter what.

Yes we passed on QB in 2017. We have Cousins, maybe Garoppolo and a strong passing group in the 2018 draft. Light at the end of the tunnel.

Trubisky was the only early QB that even remotely fit with our offense and he only had one year experience in college. The risk on that pick is huge. Far more risk compared to a 2-4 year starter.

I wanted Trubisky early on but after seeing him in interviews and thinking about his lack of starting time I changed my mind.

I thought Watson would be a risky pick because he relied on rushing so much. At #3? No way. His style of play also doesn't fit this offense. Maybe he ends up good/great long term, maybe not. Every QB that has faced the Patriots this season has gone over 300 yards. He had a great game vs the Patriots.


Kizer, Mahomes etc don't fit our offense and were not worth the #3 pick. No WR was worth the #3 pick. If we could've traded back to the 7-10 range that would've opened up some possibilities. We went BPA at #3 and then made a move for Foster.

I'm happy with Thomas/Foster in the first round. IMO Thomas will replace Armstead. I don't think we'll pay Armstead. Baalke shouldn't have drafted him.

We could get Cousins, Garoppolo, Rosen or another QB in 2018. Hoyer is playing poorly and if that continues we'll be in a great position. If we get Cousins we can trade our pick to a QB needy team. If we don't get Cousins we still have FIVE picks in the first three rounds. We could very well end up drafting top 2.


There has been all sorts of rumors about Cousins coming here. If we have a decent defense and get him blockers/WR's we could hit the playoffs sooner rather than later. Rosen is also a very good pocket passer. More refined and experienced than Trubisky. A better passer than Watson. Mahomes plays outside of structure too often. Rosen is the exact sort of QB Shanahan is looking for.

Maybe he passes on Rosen and goes after a different guy? Who knows. What I know for certian is they will be doing something about the QB situation in 2018. If they don't they'll lose a huge chunk of the fan base.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Shanny's plays are getting guys open. Guys are taking turns f**king it up.

He's hc now. He's responsible if he's playing qb's who can't throw and receivers who can't catch. I don't see anyone criticizing the schemes.

so funny how so many people have formed this protective shield around kyle. he is the coach and i am sorry but he is responsible for his teams play., readiness to play the game etc.

Last night the Patriots kept hitting the QB late. Did it twice in a row which put Tampa in FG range. Only reason they won that game is because Tampa Bay missed field goals.

Is Bellecheat a bad HC because the Pats almost gave the game away with game changing penalties? Haven't they led the league in penalties before?


Drops are on the players. Two guys (Goodwin/Robinson) have generated the most drops. Some bad ones that cost TD's and first downs. Shanahan can't force them to catch the ball.


We brought Goodwin here on a two year prove it deal. We can cut him next year and it will cost about $1 mil. I would rather have Taylor over Kerley.


WR is another position we should address going into 2018. We have both the draft capital and cap space to make some serious moves. Garcon is a long term guy, we just need size opposite Garcon. If Goodwin can show better hands his speed will also help.

Needs on offense?

QB
WR
G
C (maybe, if Kilgore can't play well by years end)


Defense?

DE/pass rusher
CB