49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Also Ensatsu,

Your criticisms aren't as hardcore and non-stop as some posters. My negative reaction is more so for the guys that are in every thread cooking up ways to criticize the new regime. (With every post they make on this site)

I totally understand if you don't like the Thomas pick. I have no issue with fellow fans being unhappy here and there with some specific things. Everyone has a right to want what they want BUT some posters have taken things way overboard. I don't think you're one of those.

thank you captain of the web zone police where you determine who is quote overboard and who is not. lol

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Grant Cohn don't know s**t about football and has proven this time after time.....is that how you consider yourself "fairly intimate" with this?

Also, laughing my ass off about a write up before someone's second preseason game

The funniest thing remains your constant assertions that you have both Sean and Kyle figured out after 4 regular season games.

wow, the messiah complex amongst a few posters here is quite remarkable . as long as we view the niner world through your rose colored glasses we are fine but if we veer off track. oh boy... earth. hitler 1938

People dog Grant but he was right about Bowman looking like crap in camp, right about the offense looking sloppy in camp. Those things are now coming into play.

Originally posted by cciowa:

wow, the messiah complex amongst a few posters here is quite remarkable . as long as we view the niner world through your rose colored glasses we are fine but if we veer off track. oh boy... earth. hitler 1938

So what part of every single one of my posts in which I call this a s**tty team qualifies as rose-colored glasses?

My main thing is people that have illustrated a pure lack of real football knowledge constantly spewing grand indictments based off of a small sample size.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I was talking about their inability to acquire offensive talent, not the criticism of the system or play design. Which btw, this also affected Chip Kelly quite a bit too. They should have realized that we have almost zero talent offensively, and it should have been a top priority this year.

I do think people are getting open, and they're not executing. That's lack of talent on the offense, clearly.

Also with Thomas. I can say with certaintiy, he is not the real reason we were an improved run defense this year. So yes, I know hindsight is 20/20. But we really could have used an offensive stud with #3 overall. Perhaps a wide receiver.

Such as?

The board was what it was. Corey Davis hasn't done much. Ross hasn't done anything. Mike Williams hasn't done crap. Solomon Thomas may not have been dominating from the get go but he's out there at least making plays.

And it's one thing if you want to say he hasn't been a stud pass rusher right away but let's at least acknowledge he's been doing a good job playing the run.

Our defense was much worse, we used free agency to address offense because that's where the strength of free agency was. We used the draft to help our awful defense because that's where the strength of the draft was.

It would've been really stupid to use #2 or #3 overall on a WR or RB when there was so much wrong with this roster that needed help.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
So you do see my point. All 3 of McVay's receivers are contributing very well, Shanny's new squad not so much. Garcon is good but his other signs are busts. You're not going to get good qb play when Hoyer can only count on 1 guy. You have a starter who can only run 1 route and then proceeds to drop the ball when the play is there. Hoyer is playing like crap but don't act like he's working with much. McVay brought talent in.

BTW if Gurley is beasting it in the passing game maybe you should be asking why Shanny who historically uses his rb's aggressively in the passing attack can't get that out of Hyde. For some reason I seem to recall you making the point that Hyde could be an excellent receiver here despite not having the history.

Don't get me wrong I know we took a multi year approach and took gambles on some low risk guys who can easily be replaced by better talent down the road. You get those results though.

Your point is stupid. You're comparing two different teams.

Receivers can only do so much if the QB isn't doing his part. Hoyer is clearly struggling. Goodwin was never supposed to be an elite WR. The hype was high on him based on what the beat writers were seeing in camp but there's a reason he was never a house hold name.

However he does add something to this offense. He's had some bad drops but he's also had some great receptions as well. Trent Taylor has done a great job at slot and has made key catches.

The front office obviously has a plan. They added an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick for this upcoming draft which allows them to do extra things whether getting more players to help the team or using it as ammo to move up for guys they want.

And I don't recall saying Hyde can be something special as a receiver but Hyde can be a decent receiver and he's made some great grabs for us. Hell he only has 3 receptions less than Gurley, just hasn't done as much with them. Somehow you don't think the QB plays a part in that. On the play that Hoyer missed a wide open Celek when 3 DBs were covering Taylor he threw it to the other side of the field to Hyde, it was a poorly thrown ball. If that ball is on target it may be a game winning TD to Hyde.

Hoyer has to make his plays. If he was playing as well as Goff our receivers would look better as a result. It's not rocket science.

Garcon and Goodwin are just as good if not better than Watkins and Woods but Hoyer is playing like ass so you wouldn' tknow it.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Grant Cohn don't know s**t about football and has proven this time after time.....is that how you consider yourself "fairly intimate" with this?

Also, laughing my ass off about a write up before someone's second preseason game

The funniest thing remains your constant assertions that you have both Sean and Kyle figured out after 4 regular season games.

wow, the messiah complex amongst a few posters here is quite remarkable . as long as we view the niner world through your rose colored glasses we are fine but if we veer off track. oh boy... earth. hitler 1938

People dog Grant but he was right about Bowman looking like crap in camp, right about the offense looking sloppy in camp. Those things are now coming into play.

Bowman had a good game last week. He's not "finished" as some people claim. The guy had two serious injuries and should be given a little time before fans put his head on a spike and dance around like it's some sort of victory.

I'm rooting for Bowman to kick ass all over the place but if he trully ends up a shell of his former self I'm sure the FO will either rework his contract or trade him. He deserves a chance to prove his worth. He earned it.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Again, the run defense issue was not a talent issue in my opinion. We have seen significant strides in the run defense this year due to BETTER COACHING and some additions in free agency. Earl Mitchell by himself was a huge upgrade over Purcell. The defense is playing in a one gap system, so its easier to make plays. We have an extra strong safety in the box to help with run support.

There was no need to draft another interior DL to stop the run this year.

Look, I like the regime. But I'm not going to be a cheerleader and defend their every move. This year being a lost year is on them. They had opportunities this year to add to the offensive talent pool, and they chose to pick bargain bin replacements in free agency. Garcon, so far, seems like the only good acquisition on the offense. I mean....you get what you pay for. That's all there is to it.

lol what? Do you recall what our defense looked like last season?

On defense you need talent. On offense you can scheme and get more production out of lesser talent.

If I'm building a team and I'm an offensive genius I'm making sure I have my QB, I can protect him but most of the talent I'm putting on the defense. Look at the Pats...so much talent on defense gone and even Belichick can't scheme that piece of crap to look even average.

Originally posted by genus49:

Your point is stupid. You're comparing two different teams.

Receivers can only do so much if the QB isn't doing his part. Hoyer is clearly struggling. Goodwin was never supposed to be an elite WR. The hype was high on him based on what the beat writers were seeing in camp but there's a reason he was never a house hold name.

However he does add something to this offense. He's had some bad drops but he's also had some great receptions as well. Trent Taylor has done a great job at slot and has made key catches.

The front office obviously has a plan. They added an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick for this upcoming draft which allows them to do extra things whether getting more players to help the team or using it as ammo to move up for guys they want.

And I don't recall saying Hyde can be something special as a receiver but Hyde can be a decent receiver and he's made some great grabs for us. Hell he only has 3 receptions less than Gurley, just hasn't done as much with them. Somehow you don't think the QB plays a part in that. On the play that Hoyer missed a wide open Celek when 3 DBs were covering Taylor he threw it to the other side of the field to Hyde, it was a poorly thrown ball. If that ball is on target it may be a game winning TD to Hyde.

Hoyer has to make his plays. If he was playing as well as Goff our receivers would look better as a result. It's not rocket science.

Garcon and Goodwin are just as good if not better than Watkins and Woods but Hoyer is playing like ass so you wouldn' tknow it.

Remind who started in Buffalo between Goodwin and Watkins and which 1 was a 1k receiver.

Garcon was a good sign but Goodwin and Robinson suck and that will be backed up with every qb they play with. It's not all on Hoyer. I agree he's struggling but so is the talent around him. Goff would not be doing good here.

As far as the plan goes I'm talking now. Mike Nolan had a plan too and actually a good one. Brought in good talent, but it doesn't come together for you. I'll judge that when we get there though and I'm not hating him long term. I liked his hiring.

I wonder if Gurley has more room to make plays since D's have to respect St Louis other weapons?

Originally posted by genus49:
lol what? Do you recall what our defense looked like last season?

We switched to a new defensive scheme and have looked much better defensively. Foster has not played in 4 games, and Thomas has looked okay against the run. But you could have had Carradine playing Strong Side DE, and not much would change.

Originally posted by genus49:

On offense you can scheme and get more production out of lesser talent.

LOL. Where has that gotten us? In the cellar where we belong. Last in offensive rankings and production with one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. That statement is a myth, and you know it.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

We switched to a new defensive scheme and have looked much better defensively. Foster has not played in 4 games, and Thomas has looked okay against the run. But you could have had Carradine playing Strong Side DE, and not much would change.



LOL. Where has that gotten us? In the cellar where we belong. Last in offensive rankings and production with one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. That statement is a myth, and you know it.

He schemed Julio and Andre into being awesome and you know it.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:

Your point is stupid. You're comparing two different teams.

Receivers can only do so much if the QB isn't doing his part. Hoyer is clearly struggling. Goodwin was never supposed to be an elite WR. The hype was high on him based on what the beat writers were seeing in camp but there's a reason he was never a house hold name.

However he does add something to this offense. He's had some bad drops but he's also had some great receptions as well. Trent Taylor has done a great job at slot and has made key catches.

The front office obviously has a plan. They added an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick for this upcoming draft which allows them to do extra things whether getting more players to help the team or using it as ammo to move up for guys they want.

And I don't recall saying Hyde can be something special as a receiver but Hyde can be a decent receiver and he's made some great grabs for us. Hell he only has 3 receptions less than Gurley, just hasn't done as much with them. Somehow you don't think the QB plays a part in that. On the play that Hoyer missed a wide open Celek when 3 DBs were covering Taylor he threw it to the other side of the field to Hyde, it was a poorly thrown ball. If that ball is on target it may be a game winning TD to Hyde.

Hoyer has to make his plays. If he was playing as well as Goff our receivers would look better as a result. It's not rocket science.

Garcon and Goodwin are just as good if not better than Watkins and Woods but Hoyer is playing like ass so you wouldn' tknow it.

Remind who started in Buffalo between Goodwin and Watkins and which 1 was a 1k receiver.

Garcon was a good sign but Goodwin and Robinson suck and that will be backed up with every qb they play with.

I wonder if Gurley has more room to make plays since D's have to respect St Louis other weapons?

Youre not necessarily wrong.. But i think agreeing to disagree seems like the right call lol.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Youre not necessarily wrong.. But i think agreeing to disagree seems like the right call lol.

I think a time out is a good call. I like Shanny, and am not discrediting him long term. Just don't care for the roster right now.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by genus49:

lol what? Do you recall what our defense looked like last season?

We switched to a new defensive scheme and have looked much better defensively. Foster has not played in 4 games, and Thomas has looked okay against the run. But you could have had Carradine playing Strong Side DE, and not much would change.

Originally posted by genus49:

On offense you can scheme and get more production out of lesser talent.

LOL. Where has that gotten us? In the cellar where we belong. Last in offensive rankings and production with one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. That statement is a myth, and you know it.

Going around in circles at this point.

Hoyer has been playing worse than normal. He has been missing open guys and guys have been dropping huge passes. Shanahan's offense isn't the issue. Not even close.


Once again, we were not going to fix both the offense and defense in one draft/offseason. We were not going to bring a bunch of top players in via free agency in one year. Especially year one of a total rebuild.


Lets go in circles some more.


In the 2018 draft we have five picks in the first three rounds and $100+ million in cap space. If we don't address offensive needs going into 2018 then the non-stop criticism will make sense.


Your line of thinking here totally ignores what this roster was in 2016. Totally ignores the reasons why we had a historically bad defense. It wasnt just our DC it was also a huge lack of talent.

We had an eye on improving defense in 2017. Accept it. Deal with it. If we don't go offense early in the 2018 draft and in free agency then freak out all you want, I'll be right there next to you.

Comparing our situation to the Rams situation is absurd.

The Rams were in a position where all they had to do was address the o-line and WR group.

When you only have needs at two positions it makes it much easier to go out and grab the players you need. It's not a total rebuild. They wre in a position to target a couple key positions. We were not in that position.

If we had a defense in place, a #1 overall QB and all we needed was some blockers/WR's then we would've been in much better shape. I'll repeat this over and over till it sinks in. Mcvay walked into a much better situation.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

The Rams were in a position where all they had to do was address the o-line and WR group.

When you only have needs at two positions it makes it much easier to go out and grab the players you need. It's not a total rebuild. They wre in a position to target a couple key positions. We were not in that position.

If we had a defense in place, a #1 overall QB and all we needed was some blockers/WR's then we would've been in much better shape. I'll repeat this over and over till it sinks in. Mcvay walked into a much better situation.

He could have had a #2 overall qb but passed in order to draft a college DR for the third straight year.
The choice was to pass on QBs and roll with Hoyer.