49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:

You forgot to include his top 3 receivers...after Todd Gurley who was already on the team right?

Well you remove Carlos Hyde(who doesn't lead the 49ers in receptions, yards and TDs) from the equation and Shanahan added the top 3 receivers as well.

Your "just gonna disagree with everyone" shtick is tired man.

These guys are running almost identical offenses but you think there's no way in hell they could like the same players?

And don't give me the crap about Hoyer being so great. He is what he is. And he's playing poorly. It's not all his fault but once again how the hell are you going to blame the coaching when he can't make an obvious read when 3 DBs are covering one player and you don't look to see which one of your 2 other receivers in the area must be free?

Hoyer has to make those reads, he has to make those throws. That's not a coaching issue. Look at the injuries for the Rams vs 49ers. McVay has had a much easier go of it so far.

So you do see my point. All 3 of McVay's receivers are contributing very well, Shanny's new squad not so much. Garcon is good but his other signs are busts. You're not going to get good qb play when Hoyer can only count on 1 guy. You have a starter who can only run 1 route and then proceeds to drop the ball when the play is there. Hoyer is playing like crap but don't act like he's working with much. McVay brought talent in.

BTW if Gurley is beasting it in the passing game maybe you should be asking why Shanny who historically uses his rb's aggressively in the passing attack can't get that out of Hyde.

What do you not understand about the facts? All the Rams had to do was address the o-line and WR group. We had a lot more needs on this team. The two situations are not comparable. You know this but are just looking for reasons to complain.

One more troll added to the ignore list. That's 3 so far.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by genus49:

Yeah...except he wasn't.

You guys must be blind or just read box scores if you think this offense isn't improved. It would be one thing if guys weren't getting open or the playcalling was vanilla and super obvious.

When your players don't execute it doesn't matter what the hell the playcall was. Not sure how that's difficult to understand...

I was talking about their inability to acquire offensive talent, not the criticism of the system or play design. Which btw, this also affected Chip Kelly quite a bit too. They should have realized that we have almost zero talent offensively, and it should have been a top priority this year.

I do think people are getting open, and they're not executing. That's lack of talent on the offense, clearly.

Also with Thomas. I can say with certaintiy, he is not the real reason we were an improved run defense this year. So yes, I know hindsight is 20/20. But we really could have used an offensive stud with #3 overall. Perhaps a wide receiver.

We had the NFL's worst defense in 2016. A historically bad 49ers defense. They made the choice to fix that early in the draft. You know this.

Expecting Lynch/Shanahan to fix both defense and offense in one offseason is beyond irrational.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
What do you not understand about the facts? All the Rams had to do was address the o-line and WR group. We had a lot more needs on this team. The two situations are not comparable. You know this but are just looking for reasons to complain.

You can walk and chew gum at the same time. It's not like 45 mil of cap space was left on the table. Sign a better center them Zuttah, and a better receiver then Goodwin and we're 3-1.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
I've come to realize a small group of very vocal posters have made the decision they don't like the new regime and nothing short of a miracle would soften the non-stopcriticism.

They want to think our roster was decent at the end of 2016. They want to think Hoyer is our FQB. They want to think this current WR group will be our long term starters- that we won't add another guy opposite Garcon in 2018. They want to think all we needed was a QB and WR in the 2017 draft. They want to think the 49ers/Rams rosters were equal after 2016. They want to think Mcvay could take the 49ers 2016 roster to 3-1 in 2017. (We could easily be 3-1 if Hoyer didn't s**t the bed). They want to think Lynch drafted all the wrong people. They want to think this rebuild is over and that this team is a finished product.

They want to think but can't even get that right.

They are professional complainers. I'm done with them. If we were in year 3 or 4 and sitting at 0-4 I'd completely understand them but we are not. We are in week 4 of year 1!!!!

nvm

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
We had the NFL's worst defense in 2016. A historically bad 49ers defense. They made the choice to fix that early in the draft. You know this.

Expecting Lynch/Shanahan to fix both defense and offense in one offseason is beyond irrational.

Again, the run defense issue was not a talent issue in my opinion. We have seen significant strides in the run defense this year due to BETTER COACHING and some additions in free agency. Earl Mitchell by himself was a huge upgrade over Purcell. The defense is playing in a one gap system, so its easier to make plays. We have an extra strong safety in the box to help with run support.

There was no need to draft another interior DL to stop the run this year.

Look, I like the regime. But I'm not going to be a cheerleader and defend their every move. This year being a lost year is on them. They had opportunities this year to add to the offensive talent pool, and they chose to pick bargain bin replacements in free agency. Garcon, so far, seems like the only good acquisition on the offense. I mean....you get what you pay for. That's all there is to it.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

I've come to realize a small group of very vocal posters have made the decision they don't like the new regime and nothing short of a miracle would soften the non-stopcriticism.

They want to think our roster was decent at the end of 2016. They want to think Hoyer is our FQB. They want to think this current WR group will be our long term starters- that we won't add another guy opposite Garcon in 2018. They want to think all we needed was a QB and WR in the 2017 draft. They want to think the 49ers/Rams rosters were equal after 2016. They want to think Mcvay could take the 49ers 2016 roster to 3-1 in 2017. (We could easily be 3-1 if Hoyer didn't s**t the bed). They want to think Lynch drafted all the wrong people. They want to think this rebuild is over and that this team is a finished product.

They want to think but can't even get that right.

They are professional complainers. I'm done with them. If we were in year 3 or 4 and sitting at 0-4 I'd completely understand them but we are not. We are in week 4 of year 1!!!!

Exactly. That's what's so frustrating about it. It's so irrational yet these people act like they're just being "realists".

Engaging the irrational posts only makes them more irrational. I usually do it for 3-4 posts then place them on ignore.

Like I'd do with someone promoting "flat earth" theory online.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

We had the NFL's worst defense in 2016. A historically bad 49ers defense. They made the choice to fix that early in the draft. You know this.

Expecting Lynch/Shanahan to fix both defense and offense in one offseason is beyond irrational.

Again, the run defense issue was not a talent issue in my opinion. We have seen significant strides in the run defense this year due to BETTER COACHING and some additions in free agency. Earl Mitchell by himself was a huge upgrade over Purcell. The defense is playing in a one gap system, so its easier to make plays. We have an extra strong safety in the box to help with run support.

There was no need to draft another interior DL to stop the run this year.

Look, I like the regime. But I'm not going to be a cheerleader and defend their every move. This year being a lost year is on them. They had opportunities this year to add to the offensive talent pool, and they chose to pick bargain bin replacements in free agency. Garcon, so far, seems like the only good acquisition on the offense. I mean....you get what you pay for. That's all there is to it.

No HC/GM worth a squat is going to fill a rebuilding team with free agents in the first year.

You were expecting a miracle and are feeling let down because they couldn't turn the entire team around in one offseason. The problem? Your unreasonable expectations.


When your run defense is the worst in the NFL and historically bad for the franchise you do all you can to fix it. Armstead wasn't showing squat last year. My assumption is they drafted Thomas because they don't plan on paying Armstead a lot of money at the end of his rookie contract. He'll probably walk in free agency.

I wanted WR early first as well but there wasn't a guy top 3 worth the pick. If we were able to trade back further I think we would've picked up a WR but as things were we did very well in getting both Thomas and Foster. Thomas could end up being our new Justin Smith and Foster could be the new Willis.


We will very likley focus on offense early in the 2018 draft and free agency. I've been waiting for that too. I've been wanting QB and WR for YEARS but I understand why they had to go defense in 2017.

If they don't address this offense in 2018 I'll be right there with you guys. Heck, I'll be one of the loudest critics.

I don't remember complaining much when we were WINNING. It is what is. Yeah I complain a lot here but the franchise has given me good reason too. The suck it up and play for Lebron crowd like this is the NBA is what I find sickening.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
No HC/GM worth a squat is going to fill a rebuilding team with free agents in the first year.

You were expecting a miracle and are feeling let down because they couldn't turn the entire team around in one offseason. The problem? Your unreasonable expectations.

You misunderstand again. I was not advocating for them to spend on high quality FAs. I was just illustrating that you are not going to produce an adequate offense right now if all you are doing is finding cheap free agents.

It starts in the draft. They need to be focus on the offense. And they need to be 1st and 2nd rounders.

I certainly hope that people are not going to be damage controlling this hard next year if they draft more defensive guys. But again if they do it, I expect people to circle the wagon and say, "Well, we need a #1 CB. We need a true edge rusher. We need XYZ on defense". Those arguments need to be shutdown next year. Period.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

No HC/GM worth a squat is going to fill a rebuilding team with free agents in the first year.

You were expecting a miracle and are feeling let down because they couldn't turn the entire team around in one offseason. The problem? Your unreasonable expectations.

You misunderstand again. I was not advocating for them to spend on high quality FAs. I was just illustrating that you are not going to produce an adequate offense right now if all you are doing is finding cheap free agents.

It starts in the draft. They need to be focus on the offense. And they need to be 1st and 2nd rounders.

I certainly hope that people are not going to be damage controlling this hard next year if they draft more defensive guys. But again if they do it, I expect people to circle the wagon and say, "Well, we need a #1 CB. We need a true edge rusher. We need XYZ on defense". Those arguments need to be shutdown next year. Period.

Read my edited post if you'd like.

Also Ensatsu,

Your criticisms aren't as hardcore and non-stop as some posters. My negative reaction is more so for the guys that are in every thread cooking up ways to criticize the new regime. (With every post they make on this site)

I totally understand if you don't like the Thomas pick. I have no issue with fellow fans being unhappy here and there with some specific things. Everyone has a right to want what they want BUT some posters have taken things way overboard. I don't think you're one of those.

Originally posted by Follower:

The block feature is always pretty useful .... Anyway, I consider myself fairly intimate with this, and I just don't see the things that some wish to see.... there's a reason this team leads the league in penalties, is awful in the redzone, and is 0-4 in a league where even the Jets have won twice.... there was a pretty astute write up about this prior to the Broncos preseason game.... there are fixable things though, so there is hope.

Grant Cohn don't know s**t about football and has proven this time after time.....is that how you consider yourself "fairly intimate" with this?

Also, laughing my ass off about a write up before someone's second preseason game

The funniest thing remains your constant assertions that you have both Sean and Kyle figured out after 4 regular season games.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Grant Cohn don't know s**t about football and has proven this time after time.....is that how you consider yourself "fairly intimate" with this?

Also, laughing my ass off about a write up before someone's second preseason game

The funniest thing remains your constant assertions that you have both Sean and Kyle figured out after 4 regular season games.

wow, the messiah complex amongst a few posters here is quite remarkable . as long as we view the niner world through your rose colored glasses we are fine but if we veer off track. oh boy... earth. hitler 1938