49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by jcs:
Possibly CJ but Hoyer was his hand picked starter for 2017. I'm assuming he didn't do it thinking Hoyer wasn't going to be this bad.

Just realize he decided to pass up on a class of 1st round QB's because of Hoyer.

He knows what he wants in a QB, his track record analyzing QB talent from all accounts is pretty good. All things considered I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knew what he was doing when he didn't draft QB high this year.

Everything Kyle, John and Jed said indicated they were treating this year as a rebuild. I think any logical and realistic fan figured not expect much this season after we signed Hoyer and Barkley. Maybe the plan clearly is to wait for Kirk, which if that's the case I'm perfectly fine with it. Kirk may not be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers but he's a very solid QB who can play well within this system and would allow us to use the draft picks to improve the team at other positions.

Essentially this year IMO should be treated to see how the talent this new regime brought in is doing and whether the young players are growing on the field and competing in their games. So far, so good regardless of the W/L record.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
We all know Cousins played his best football the past 2 seasons with McVay. Atl didn't light the world up Shanny's 1st year there either. Installing an offense can take time. The question is would Shanny be smart enough to acquire the guys the Rams have or would he settle on Zane Beadles and Marquis Goodwin there as well.

Who exactly did McVay expertly acquire btw? Sammy Watkins? He hasn't been that great outside of the game against us when our defense was clearly gassed from the Seattle game still.

The Rams best players were already there when McVay stepped in the door. Gurley is their leading receiver, receptions, yards and TDs...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by cciowa:

i love how many posters are adding people to the webzones version of a no call list, they just can not stand opposite points of view, i believe that so many people on this zone are suffering from the fact they their blind loyalty to anything kyle and lynch do and say are preventing them from being objective. oh well. thats their problem , not mine thank god. they then whine to evil, i mean the mods to quote. get a handle on things, so funny how freedom of speech only goes one way and thats the way of the mob here

I've only added one person...the guy who kept bumping thread after thread with nonsense before the season started just because he was driving me crazy and offering nothing to the conversations, even arguing against himself at times.

However there are people on here clearly coming off as trolls. I wasn't a huge fan of Shanahan before we hired him and still want to see him prove he can be the guy the team wanted but pretending he's not doing his part on the offensive side of the ball is crazy if you're actually watching the plays unfold. Guys are getting open, the plays are there to be made.

I think our defensive coaching isn't as good as it can be but Saleh is a first time DC. People comparing McVay to Shanny must forget he has Wade Phillips....big difference. First time DC vs a guy who had 8 stints at DC and was HC of 3 teams.

Our GM, head coach/OC, and DC are all rookies at their jobs

Originally posted by genus49:
Who exactly did McVay expertly acquire btw? Sammy Watkins? He hasn't been that great outside of the game against us when our defense was clearly gassed from the Seattle game still.

The Rams best players were already there when McVay stepped in the door. Gurley is their leading receiver, receptions, yards and TDs...

Take out Gurley his top 3 receivers Watkins, Woods, Cupp are all his acquisitions. So what if each stepped up in a game? That's a luxury talent across the board will bring you. Opposed to us if Peterson can blanket Garcon we got nothing but field goals.

And it's not like Shanny didn't inherit an equal back in Carlos Hyde who also has about 90% of our o. McVay inherited the 32nd ranked scoring offense and has it 1st but go ahead keep thinking Shanny would do the same especially with the mixed bag he brought here. Garcon was a great pickup. Kittle, Taylor should contribute. Also whiffed on a few spots even if it a designed low risk gamble to slowly develop the team. McVay could of did that too with his inherited trash offense and he didn't and is succeeding now. Give credit were it's due.

The block feature is always pretty useful .... Anyway, I consider myself fairly intimate with this, and I just don't see the things that some wish to see.... there's a reason this team leads the league in penalties, is awful in the redzone, and is 0-4 in a league where even the Jets have won twice.... there was a pretty astute write up about this prior to the Broncos preseason game.... there are fixable things though, so there is hope.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Take out Gurley his top 3 receivers Watkins, Woods, Cupp are all his acquisitions. So what if each stepped up in a game? That's a luxury talent across the board will bring you. Opposed to us if Peterson can blanket Garcon we got nothing but field goals.

And it's not like Shanny didn't inherit an equal back in Carlos Hyde. McVay iherited the 32nd ranked scoring offense and has it 1st but go ahead keep thinking Shanny would do the same especially with the mixed bag he brought here.

I don't recall Hyde being drafted in the top 10 but ok...

McVay also inherited a QB who has thrown for 200 more yards and 5 more TDs with less picks than our QB so that certainly helps the receivers look better right?

You're comparing two different teams with different needs. Rams secondary was much better than the 49ers. If our secondary was better than what it was then we may not be drafting Witherspoon in the 3rd and taking Cupp or maybe Kareem Hunt...you don't know.

I'd say the signings of Garcon, Goodwin and drafting of Taylor is a pretty good job by Shanahan. I do find it amusing that you think Shanahan brought a mixed bag here but apparently McVay is putting out the 1999 Rams offense out there.

Originally posted by genus49:
I don't recall Hyde being drafted in the top 10 but ok...

McVay also inherited a QB who has thrown for 200 more yards and 5 more TDs with less picks than our QB so that certainly helps the receivers look better right?

You're comparing two different teams with different needs. Rams secondary was much better than the 49ers. If our secondary was better than what it was then we may not be drafting Witherspoon in the 3rd and taking Cupp or maybe Kareem Hunt...you don't know.

I'd say the signings of Garcon, Goodwin and drafting of Taylor is a pretty good job by Shanahan. I do find it amusing that you think Shanahan brought a mixed bag here but apparently McVay is putting out the 1999 Rams offense out there.

I don't recall Hunt being a top 10 pick either what does that mean or Hyde averaging 3 yards per carry like the great Todd Gurley did last year. Even this year he's only at 4.2 ypc. Goff was complete trash last year. He's developed him.

We traded away a 3rd rounder 2 picks before Cooper Rush was selected, and could of got Hunt too don't act like we didn't have the picks to do better. Shanny got his guys in Williams and Taylor. If he wanted Hunt he'd be here. He was comfortable running with Goodwin for the year. If he wanted a Watkins he'd be here too. He made some bad bets. Rams have the #1 scoring offense we haven't scored a TD in 3 out of 4 games they are the 99 Rams compared to us. FTR I don't think he's done a bad job (they flipped the d) just left a lot meat on the bones on offense.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Possibly CJ but Hoyer was his hand picked starter for 2017. I'm assuming he didn't do it thinking Hoyer wasn't going to be this bad.

Just realize he decided to pass up on a class of 1st round QB's because of Hoyer.

He knows what he wants in a QB, his track record analyzing QB talent from all accounts is pretty good. All things considered I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knew what he was doing when he didn't draft QB high this year.

Everything Kyle, John and Jed said indicated they were treating this year as a rebuild. I think any logical and realistic fan figured not expect much this season after we signed Hoyer and Barkley. [b]Maybe the plan clearly is to wait for Kirk, [i]which if that's the case I'm perfectly fine with it. Kirk may not be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers but he's a very solid QB who can play well within this system and would allow us to use the draft picks to improve the team at other positions.

Essentially this year IMO should be treated to see how the talent this new regime brought in is doing and whether the young players are growing on the field and competing in their games. So far, so good regardless of the W/L record.

What is his track record of analyzing QB talent outside of Cousins?
I would like to think he could find a young FQBotF for the 49ers.
I am happy with Shanahan but concerned about the QB situation.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:
Possibly CJ but Hoyer was his hand picked starter for 2017. I'm assuming he didn't do it thinking Hoyer wasn't going to be this bad.

Just realize he decided to pass up on a class of 1st round QB's because of Hoyer.

He knows what he wants in a QB, his track record analyzing QB talent from all accounts is pretty good. All things considered I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knew what he was doing when he didn't draft QB high this year.

Everything Kyle, John and Jed said indicated they were treating this year as a rebuild. I think any logical and realistic fan figured not expect much this season after we signed Hoyer and Barkley. [b]Maybe the plan clearly is to wait for Kirk, [i]which if that's the case I'm perfectly fine with it. Kirk may not be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers but he's a very solid QB who can play well within this system and would allow us to use the draft picks to improve the team at other positions.

Essentially this year IMO should be treated to see how the talent this new regime brought in is doing and whether the young players are growing on the field and competing in their games. So far, so good regardless of the W/L record.

What is his track record of analyzing QB talent outside of Cousins?
I would like to think he could find a young FQBotF for the 49ers.
I am happy with Shanahan but concerned about the QB situation.

Matt Ryan had his best year under Shanny. Its obvious he's looking for a particular QB so maybe we should give him more than 9 months to find one?

And why are we comparing ourselves to the Rams? Rams had a good defense prior to the coaching changes and only needed their first year QB to step up. They added some decent pieces in FA but I wouldn't hold my breath on Watkins. He's already stated that he wants to break the ceiling on WR pay when he hits the free agent market this summer so he could very will be a 1 year rental. Hardly what we need at this point.

Lynch specifically said they are going to stop the run this year and for the most part they have done a decent job.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Possibly CJ but Hoyer was his hand picked starter for 2017. I'm assuming he didn't do it thinking Hoyer wasn't going to be this bad.

Just realize he decided to pass up on a class of 1st round QB's because of Hoyer.

He knows what he wants in a QB, his track record analyzing QB talent from all accounts is pretty good. All things considered I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knew what he was doing when he didn't draft QB high this year.

Everything Kyle, John and Jed said indicated they were treating this year as a rebuild. I think any logical and realistic fan figured not expect much this season after we signed Hoyer and Barkley. [b]Maybe the plan clearly is to wait for Kirk, [i]which if that's the case I'm perfectly fine with it. Kirk may not be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers but he's a very solid QB who can play well within this system and would allow us to use the draft picks to improve the team at other positions.

Essentially this year IMO should be treated to see how the talent this new regime brought in is doing and whether the young players are growing on the field and competing in their games. So far, so good regardless of the W/L record.

What is his track record of analyzing QB talent outside of Cousins?
I would like to think he could find a young FQBotF for the 49ers.
I am happy with Shanahan but concerned about the QB situation.

Matt Ryan had his best year under Shanny. Its obvious he's looking for a particular QB so maybe we should give him more than 9 months to find one?

And why are we comparing ourselves to the Rams? Rams had a good defense prior to the coaching changes and only needed their first year QB to step up. They added some decent pieces in FA but I wouldn't hold my breath on Watkins. He's already stated that he wants to break the ceiling on WR pay when he hits the free agent market this summer so he could very will be a 1 year rental. Hardly what we need at this point.

Lynch specifically said they are going to stop the run this year and for the most part they have done a decent job.

Shanahan inherited a great QB in Ryan and Hoyer has been terrible under Shanahan for two teams. I am not sure he is a great identified of QB talent but I'd love to see him prove he is in the draft.

I'll start worrying about qb when Cousins signs an extension with Wsh or gets tagged. I'm more worried about the offense he puts around his qb. He also inherited Julio, Andre and that's when most of his success came. Guys like that don't come around often.

Originally posted by Follower:
The block feature is always pretty useful .... Anyway, I consider myself fairly intimate with this, and I just don't see the things that some wish to see.... there's a reason this team leads the league in penalties, is awful in the redzone, and is 0-4 in a league where even the Jets have won twice.... there was a pretty astute write up about this prior to the Broncos preseason game.... there are fixable things though, so there is hope.

leads the nfl in dropped passes as well. so much for a upgrade in the wide out department to go with a crappy qb and crappy line. this is not progress and i am sorry. but i am not ok with waiting till next year to get these fundamental things fixed and we should not have to either

I give credit to the Rams and McVay, they have turned it around rather quickly, however it's still early. Eagles started out hot last year and then calmed down. Also, we hung in there with Rams on a short week after playing Seattle. Can't argue that the Rams seem further along than us but I think in time we'll be right there with them.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I don't recall Hunt being a top 10 pick either what does that mean or Hyde averaging 3 yards per carry like the great Todd Gurley did last year. Even this year he's only at 4.2 ypc. Goff was complete trash last year. He's developed him.

We traded away a 3rd rounder 2 picks before Cooper Rush was selected, and could of got Hunt too don't act like we didn't have the picks to do better. Shanny got his guys in Williams and Taylor. If he wanted Hunt he'd be here. He was comfortable running with Goodwin for the year. If he wanted a Watkins he'd be here too. He made some bad bets. Rams have the #1 scoring offense we haven't scored a TD in 3 out of 4 games they are the 99 Rams compared to us. FTR I don't think he's done a bad job (they flipped the d) just left a lot meat on the bones on offense.

Your whole point was essentially McVay was making all these moves to improve the team.

But he had his QB already on the team. The guy was a #1 overall pick for a reason just because Jeff Fisher is an awful coach doesn't mean Goff had no talent.
His best player on offense in Gurley was a top 10 pick, already on the team. RBs don't go top 10 these days unless they're pretty damn talented.

Rams had a pretty good defense last year but an offense that needed a lot of help. It made sense for the Rams to go offense heavy in the draft to try and surround Goff with some talent.

49ers had a historically bad defense and a QB who was a stop gap. Them going offense heavy early didn't make sense. You're comparing apples to oranges.

If Shanahan was the Rams HC he likely would've done a similar approach to what the Rams ended up doing and I'm sure he'd have Goff and Gurley playing very well.

Brian Hoyer is who he's always been. He's never been a legit starter. He's either a stop gap or a backup. For whatever reason he's playing worse than his usual stop gap self but blaming coaching for that is ridiculous. They can't make the throws for him, they can't make the reads for him and they can't make the receptions for the receivers who drop the passes making Hoyer look even worse.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
Who exactly did McVay expertly acquire btw? Sammy Watkins? He hasn't been that great outside of the game against us when our defense was clearly gassed from the Seattle game still.

The Rams best players were already there when McVay stepped in the door. Gurley is their leading receiver, receptions, yards and TDs...

Take out Gurley his top 3 receivers Watkins, Woods, Cupp are all his acquisitions. So what if each stepped up in a game? That's a luxury talent across the board will bring you. Opposed to us if Peterson can blanket Garcon we got nothing but field goals.

And it's not like Shanny didn't inherit an equal back in Carlos Hyde who also has about 90% of our o. McVay inherited the 32nd ranked scoring offense and has it 1st but go ahead keep thinking Shanny would do the same especially with the mixed bag he brought here. Garcon was a great pickup. Kittle, Taylor should contribute. Also whiffed on a few spots even if it a designed low risk gamble to slowly develop the team. McVay could of did that too with his inherited trash offense and he didn't and is succeeding now. Give credit were it's due.

To start Jeff Fisher grossly mismanaged Goff. Then the Rams had built defense for years. Their defense wasn't bad at all last year. Ours was the worst in the NFL along with an offense that was close to last. Hyde hasn't played as well as Gurley either.


All the Rams had to do was address the o-line and WR group. That's exactly what they did. They had a first rd QB (#1 overall pick) with much more talent than Hoyer and a ready to go defense.


Now they have the deepest WR group in the NFL. Probably the best depending how Cupp plays long term. The talent on that team is much higher than the talent on this team. Comparing the two is not sane, rational or objective. The Rams roster was much further along than ours at the end of the 2016 season.