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Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by alwayssecond:
Originally posted by English:
So, who were you pushing for in his place?

I was not pushing for anyone, I think he has been disappointing as hell

you are new here. that is not good enough for some people.lol
As opposed to the alternative b***hing 24/7 with zero opinions of any worth to bring to the table.
thanks for your opinion but you and it mean nothing to me

Guys, we are talking sports. We don't need to get personal.
Nah f**k that, he has been an a*****e to everyone for months and nothing is done about it. You can't make a post without him s**tting all over it and he stalks the f**k out of you if you dare have a shred of optimism. He makes me hate posting here and I have been here for close to ten years. I think I am done. If this is the kind of "fan" that is catered to here, I don't need to be here. He ain't here to talk football he is here to get attention and be a miserable s**t to anyone who dares disagree with him.
[ Edited by PhillyNiner on Mar 8, 2019 at 6:11 PM ]
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Nah f**k that, he has been an a*****e to everyone for months and nothing is done about it. You can't make a post without him s**tting all over it and he stalks the f**k out of you if you dare have a shred of optimism. He makes me hate posting here and I have been here for close to ten years. I think I am done. If this is the kind of "fan" that is catered to here, I don't need to be here. He ain't here to talk football he is here to get attention and be a miserable s**t to anyone who dares disagree with him.
If you're looking for a place where you can have a positive discussion on the 49ers, go check out a youtube channel called "Ronbo Sports". Nothing but real 49er fans there.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by alwayssecond:
Originally posted by English:
So, who were you pushing for in his place?

I was not pushing for anyone, I think he has been disappointing as hell

you are new here. that is not good enough for some people.lol

As opposed to the alternative b***hing 24/7 with zero opinions of any worth to bring to the table.

Damn dude you CC's stalker??
You hit every thread behind him
Wow

Mods what happened to "attack the post not the poster"
  • thl408
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Attack the post not the poster.
Originally posted by cciowa:
thanks for your opinion but you and it mean nothing to me

What a stupid post.
  • dj43
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Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Lynch is MUCH easier to replace than Kyle. That's why Kyle gets a longer leash.
If it was up to me Kyle stays put until his contract is up or hopefully longer.

lots of good candidates still waiting around for a GM job. I'm shocked that we didn't hire Ron Wolf's son. Think he turned us down or something, can't remember/

Who do you see that is good that is waiting for a job right now?

"Ron Wolf's son?"

His name is Eliot and he is now learning more about the job as an assistant to Cleveland GM John Dorsey.

For the record, he had a chance at the Green Bay job but they did not feel he was qualified. "Obviously the people up there don't think he's worthy or they would've hired him. End of discussion." He spent 13 years in one of the best operations in football and he still wasn't considered competent to be a GM.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21998010/nfl-hall-famer-ron-wolf-talks-son-eliot-being-passed-packers-gm-job

You are welcome to you opinion but supporting it with facts would be helpful to the thread.
Originally posted by dj43:
Who do you see that is good that is waiting for a job right now?

"Ron Wolf's son?"

His name is Eliot and he is now learning more about the job as an assistant to Cleveland GM John Dorsey.

For the record, he had a chance at the Green Bay job but they did not feel he was qualified. "Obviously the people up there don't think he's worthy or they would've hired him. End of discussion." He spent 13 years in one of the best operations in football and he still wasn't considered competent to be a GM.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21998010/nfl-hall-famer-ron-wolf-talks-son-eliot-being-passed-packers-gm-job

You are welcome to you opinion but supporting it with facts would be helpful to the thread.

pretty much all the candidates we interviewed back then seemed to be pretty good to me. Also that George Paton guy from Minnesota. They seem to have built a good defense, and the guy has experience.

The only candidate that I didn't like was that ESPN dude. Louis Riddick. Thought that was going to be a disaster. But I did not foresee the Niners hiring someone with even less experience than him.
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by alwayssecond:
Originally posted by English:
So, who were you pushing for in his place?

I was not pushing for anyone, I think he has been disappointing as hell

you are new here. that is not good enough for some people.lol

As opposed to the alternative b***hing 24/7 with zero opinions of any worth to bring to the table.

Damn dude you CC's stalker??
You hit every thread behind him
Wow

Mods what happened to "attack the post not the poster"

He's specifically talking about the content of this guys posts. Most of the time there is zero nsw info or opinions added. Cc while probably a great guy doesn't add much to the conversation. Just the same complaints wrapped up with different words over and over again. We haven't won a superbowl so the whole team is s**t, the coaches suck, front office is terrible woe is the 49ers.
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He's a smart guy and a good offensive coach, but I always did fear that when he got hired, he'd surround himself with incompetence and inexperience (Saleh....Lynch).

Turns out, I might be right if this keeps up for another few years.

This. 100%

He is better suited as a coordinator than a head coach, given the amount and importance of personnel decisions he needs to make in his current role

Similar to Nolan

Except for harbaugh, we haven't had good head coaches for 15 years
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Lynch is MUCH easier to replace than Kyle. That's why Kyle gets a longer leash.
If it was up to me Kyle stays put until his contract is up or hopefully longer.

lots of good candidates still waiting around for a GM job. I'm shocked that we didn't hire Ron Wolf's son. Think he turned us down or something, can't remember/

Who do you see that is good that is waiting for a job right now?

"Ron Wolf's son?"

His name is Eliot and he is now learning more about the job as an assistant to Cleveland GM John Dorsey.

For the record, he had a chance at the Green Bay job but they did not feel he was qualified. "Obviously the people up there don't think he's worthy or they would've hired him. End of discussion." He spent 13 years in one of the best operations in football and he still wasn't considered competent to be a GM.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21998010/nfl-hall-famer-ron-wolf-talks-son-eliot-being-passed-packers-gm-job

You are welcome to you opinion but supporting it with facts would be helpful to the thread.

He is already years ahead in development over Lynch who is learning to be GM from himself while acting as GM.
No other team in the NFL had any interest in Lynch as a GM or in any player personnel role.
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
He is already years ahead in development over Lynch who is learning to be GM from himself while acting as GM.
No other team in the NFL had any interest in Lynch as a GM or in any player personnel role.

I guess Lynch did not hire Mayhew, must have been a dream.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
He is already years ahead in development over Lynch who is learning to be GM from himself while acting as GM.
No other team in the NFL had any interest in Lynch as a GM or in any player personnel role.

I guess Lynch did not hire Mayhew, must have been a dream.

As an underling not a mentor. The opposite of the Eliot Wolf scenario.
I could see Lynch in an assistant GM role for awhile being helpful in his development.
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
He is already years ahead in development over Lynch who is learning to be GM from himself while acting as GM.
No other team in the NFL had any interest in Lynch as a GM or in any player personnel role.

I guess Lynch did not hire Mayhew, must have been a dream.

As an underling not a mentor. The opposite of the Eliot Wolf scenario.
I could see Lynch in an assistant GM role for awhile being helpful in his development.

Just because he is an underling does not mean he is not someone who John can lean on and does not mean he cannot mentor John.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
He is already years ahead in development over Lynch who is learning to be GM from himself while acting as GM.
No other team in the NFL had any interest in Lynch as a GM or in any player personnel role.

I guess Lynch did not hire Mayhew, must have been a dream.

As an underling not a mentor. The opposite of the Eliot Wolf scenario.
I could see Lynch in an assistant GM role for awhile being helpful in his development.



Okay, here is why Lynch has done a good job. This is a Kyle thread but Lynch is the one under attack and why he shouldn't be:

IDK, i still feel Lynch was a good choice, and TBH, i had no idea who was best. But we didn't just have a GM problem, or talent acquisition problem. If you will recall, we had almost a 20 yr problem of WTF to do with a team that had no or limited success in 18 yrs, (true 1 SB appearance but that was due to a stacked D that carrried us almost the entire way...who then left, virtually en masse, leaving us with virtually nothing in the cupboards.) When Lynch arrived, to best of my recollection we had a team in tatters, starting at the top, included the entire F.O, all the coaches, HC to all position coaches, and certainly HC and OC, DC...plus no talent. Baalke did leave us with a fairly good chunk of change in cap space,

But guys, we had NO talent. Ok, we had Buck ...and we had Joe S, and , and...well, that was the problem. We had 2 starters, one long in the tooth. So we didn't just need a GM. We needed a GUIDE to get this team completely rebuilt, completely restocked, and then...rebuilt. Not brick by brick but player by player. We had one key player on O, Joe, and one on D, DeFo. We needed 20 starters ...yes 20...and 22 backup or rotational guys.

We had the worst self image of any team in the league...well, except for the hapless Browns. We had bupkis. NADA. NOTHING. So let's not forget that. Going from worst to first is not a 2 yr deal. Or 3. IDK if it take 6 or not. I hope not. But when you look at what we didn't have, it is depressing. And every damn thing needed rebuilding. Yes, HC and OC were critical, but we got that. DC? I don't think so, but we'll see with the new triumvirate at DC.

Worst, we had a F.O that was totally, irreparably, destroyed. Jed nor his folks had no idea WTF to do with this "team". But it was not a team. It was basically a ":franchise " with completely bare cupboards. We couldn't get a HC , let alone position coaches to come here. Who would want it? That is why kyle got 6 yrs. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see this place was a trash heap. And we had a series of 4 HCs in 4 yr to prove it.

Most forget it, but the face of the team had to be completely rebuilt too. With Jed at the top, the team had lapsed into unwatchable, the decisions made were joked about, and the franchise was considered toxic. Recall also JL was hired to come here, evaluate the team, and present a plan to Jed and family about how the franchise would/could be rebuilt. Because we were at the bottom of the league, with nobody under us. We were the laughing stock of the league. A team like that just cannot attract good players because the players could see this was a place where players came to die on the vine. SF 49ers were a nowhere team. And that is what John Lynch was asked to consult on and make suggestions to fix. Kyle had already been hired, and with that, we at least had one savvy football person here.

But he entire F.O had to be replaced, and i mean everybody but the paymaster, paraag. Lynch was a well known personality on TV sports and was known and liked by all. When he was announced as new GM, it was a huge shot in the arm as far as returning us to acceptability. We no longer were the butt of all NFL jokes. He gave us cachet. He made us relevant once again. Sure he had no GM experience, but we didn't have anybody who could sort out and tell Jed how to run a football team.

Remember also, John Elway had taken Lynch aside before he went into TV and taught him how to run a franchise, how to build a team, and how to hire those guys at the top needed to make the team go. Peters and Mayhew would have been welcomed earlier, but i don' think anybody wanted to come here. We were so bad we were radioactive. And football players did not want to be here. Drawing FAs was virtually impossible Only by offering gifts well over market price could we get anyone to come here. Sure JL had never been a GM, but his initial job was way more important than that. First he had to turn Denise's and Jed's entire operation upside down, shake it out and then start anew. Folks and fans forget that. But JL was extremely successful in just 2 short yrs righting the ship...and that was no mean feat. But first, every man jack here had to be replaced. Coaches, GM, and players. Entire F. O. Everything had to go and start over.

Well, somehow JL got that accomplished , and got us back on the rails. HC was easy and already done. GM had to be someone who could rebuild a business first, and then rebuild a team. Done and done. Then came the added expertise of team building or player rebuild. And Mayhew and Peters were added. Kyle is a whiz bang at OCiing the best in the league. HC he has had to learn as he goes. Same for JL but remember he had gotten a huge help along courtesy of Elway who really wanted JL to learn about how to run a football team. So maybe no experience, but he had an excellent tutor.

Fast forward to now and basically 43 guys were let go or fired, and we currently need ER, DB, OG, (OT for pipeline along with another OG), 2 LBs, and another semi #1 WR. The ace, the FR QB, the one hardest part to fill we have...now we have to protect him. ER we are about to get in both FA (2nd tier) and draft (top tier, either Bosa or Allen). Besides 2nd tier ER in FA, we also need 2 starting LBs(one could come from draft), a starting DB (like ET), and a starting OG with another OT in pipeline. Those could be partly in draft also. In draft we get starting ER plus whatever we didn't fill in FA. So if we got 3 starters in FA and all were over the glass ceiling of $10 mil+/yr, then we would have an easy shot at completing the rebuild in draft starting with ER filling whatever we are missing.

For start of yr three, I would say we have made remarkable progress. We just need paraag to loosen the purse strings and get us the 2nd tier ER, and starter LBs plus DB in FA. Get starter OG, DB, LB and WR in draft.

Considering john lynch has rebuilt the team image, actually has GMs calling him for deals, means we are once again back to respectable. Now we have to fill in the missing pieces in FA and draft and secure an experienced DC. Maybe that has already been done, and we will see who DCs for us this yr, with an upgrade if Saleh doesn;t have us looking professional by midseason.

If you read all that, then you will see why John Lynch has done a yeoman's job of rebuilding the franchise and after FA and draft we will see what he came up with for the missing player pieces. The DC thing i expect to be fixed by midseason.

Go niners and thank you, GM Lynch. Helluva job, which i didn't think could be done without having to sell the team and get new owners. This worked out just fine.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Mar 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM ]
Great post as usual pasodoc!

When the WZ HoF threads come up, you can think of this post!
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