QB Candidates Thread: The Search for the QBoTF

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No there's risk in both situations without question. I never said there wasn't...you don't need day one results with a rookie, you do when you trade and sign a qb though...you think Brock would be getting the s**t he does if he was a rookie or didn't signed a large contract? Just imagine if they actually traded the 2nd overall pick for him as well! That GM would be gone and possibly O'Brien.

All that stuff needs to be factored into trading for him and that's why IHMO giving up the 2nd pick in the draft is not what needs to be done. If a team wants to risk their jobs and the future on him have at it, I don't see the bears or browns do it either for their firsts.

A 2nd rd pick and maybe something next yr would be more exceptable, set a value and stay at that.

We will see

I think teams will see Garoppolo as less of a risk simply because they have already seen him balling out, granted a small sample size, is still the NFL.

The trade and sign doesn't have to happen right away and certainly the trade is not conditional to that.

I also don't believe the rookie will get that much more time. Unless you have an excellent bridge QB, if not you will be forced to play the rookie just like the Rams. They tried not to play Goff, but eventually they had to. If Goff and Wentz don't make a big improvement in 2017, people will soon start to talk.

Also, the beauty of Garoppolo is the Pats has already done a lot of the developing work for us for 4 full years and may I add under solid Belichick's coaching too.

The value of Garoppolo is definitely more than 2nd round. Like a number of analysts have said, if you were to insert Garoppolo into this coming draft, he could easily be the #1 pick. He would definitely be drafted before Trubisky, Watson , etc.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Like a number of analysts have said, if you were to insert Garoppolo into this coming draft, he could easily be the #1 pick. He would definitely be drafted before Trubisky, Watson , etc.

I just think this is a silly way of analyzing the prospects though. So a 4 year NFL vet (regardless of how little he played), could be the #1 pick over college guys? I dont see that as some sort of large endorsement for Jimmy. If Jimmy was coming out of college this year, he wouldnt be the #1 pick I can guarantee you that.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think #2 and #3 is too high for Garoppolo, but #12 is perfect. My money is on Cleveland landing him with that #12 pick.

Agree

bingo!

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I just think this is a silly way of analyzing the prospects though. So a 4 year NFL vet (regardless of how little he played), could be the #1 pick over college guys? I dont see that as some sort of large endorsement for Jimmy. If Jimmy was coming out of college this year, he wouldnt be the #1 pick I can guarantee you that.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think #2 and #3 is too high for Garoppolo, but #12 is perfect. My money is on Cleveland landing him with that #12 pick.

Agree

If we're lucky Trubisky or Watson make their draft stock soar so Cleveland drafts one of them at #1 overall allowing us to draft Garrett at #2 and let us trade our 2nd rounder plus a conditional pick next year for Jimmy.

Originally posted by MrSinister:
bingo!

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I just think this is a silly way of analyzing the prospects though. So a 4 year NFL vet (regardless of how little he played), could be the #1 pick over college guys? I dont see that as some sort of large endorsement for Jimmy. If Jimmy was coming out of college this year, he wouldnt be the #1 pick I can guarantee you that.

All hyperbole aside, if this were anywhere near true, then CLE, SF, or CHI should trade their first round pick for him. I highly doubt that will be the case, so in essence, Jimmy G. will not warrant the #1 overall pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

That's I why I think Lynch and Shanahan play it safe...Drafting a QB at 2 or a megatrade to get Grappalo is huge gamble especially when you are newly hired.

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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

That's I why I think Lynch and Shanahan play it safe...Drafting a QB at 2 or a megatrade to get Grappalo is huge gamble especially when you are newly hired.

What is the safe move? Cutler or Hoyer? Either would make me skeptical of the new bunch.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

That's I why I think Lynch and Shanahan play it safe...Drafting a QB at 2 or a megatrade to get Grappalo is huge gamble especially when you are newly hired.

They both said if you like a qb, you go get him don't worry about the cost. I believe thats what they will do with garrapolo. Or they will sign shaub or hoyer and wait for cousins. Im sure they will draft a qb on the second or 3rd day.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You telling me SF will not be talking to JG's agents about his long term plans during this whole discussion? Dude that will be a big part of it. No team is trading for him if they don't have an idea on his long term plans. And if he says I don't know will his vlaue goes wayyyyy down

Sure, they can talk about it. But, I doubt it will be agreed by the time the trade takes place.

they probably already are lol

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

That's I why I think Lynch and Shanahan play it safe...Drafting a QB at 2 or a megatrade to get Grappalo is huge gamble especially when you are newly hired.

What is the safe move? Cutler or Hoyer? Either would make me skeptical of the new bunch.

Drafting a QB outside the first round is safe. I agree I'm skeptical of Cutler, Hoyer or Schaub, Gabbert etc. Cousins is not a FQB.. The jury is out Garrapolo..I wouldn't take a chance on him.

Let's face it ..The 49ers are not going to win now. Lynch himself said his weary of starting a Rookie, which means they have no plans to play a rookie this year (throw him in the fire). If so, they can't be in this next years QB class is better Ill wait mode..because that QB won't start either.
Philadelphia and Dallas started rookies. Now they each have a year under they're belt. I think the 49ers should go the route of drafting 2 QBs increasing they're chances of a find and start and develop him now. If they go the other route, in the next few years they'll be throwing in Fitzpatricks, Schaubs, and Hoyers and end up no where in revolving door of retreads.
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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Wait a minute, if you are saying no one has an idea what Garoppolo is like due to the small sample size, then you have a better idea what a rookie QB from the draft is like when he hasn't played a down in the NFL?

And no you don't have to give Garoppolo a big contract just yet, you have the entire 2017 season to evaluate him. Hypothetically speaking, even if the 9ers weren't sure by the end of the 2017 season, they could still franchise tag him if they want.

Your not trading a 2nd overall pick if your not all in lol...part of a trade will be signing him man. There's no debating that.

You can't have it both ways lol. With a rookie qb you get leeway because well he's a rookie and he's cheap...JG is gonna be expected to go day 1 and get paid to do that....If He sucks and you let him go after two yrs PLUS lose the 2nd overall pick? lol any GM is getting fired over that s**t.

That's I why I think Lynch and Shanahan play it safe...Drafting a QB at 2 or a megatrade to get Grappalo is huge gamble especially when you are newly hired.

What is the safe move? Cutler or Hoyer? Either would make me skeptical of the new bunch.

Drafting a QB outside the first round is safe. I agree I'm skeptical of Cutler, Hoyer or Schaub, Gabbert etc. Cousins is not a FQB.. The jury is out Garrapolo..I wouldn't take a chance on him.

Let's face it ..The 49ers are not going to win now. Lynch himself said his weary of starting a Rookie, which means they have no plans to play a rookie this year (throw him in the fire). If so, they can't be in this next years QB class is better Ill wait mode..because that QB won't start either.
Philadelphia and Dallas started rookies. Now they each have a year under they're belt. I think the 49ers should go the route of drafting 2 QBs increasing they're chances of a find and start and develop him now. If they go the other route, in the next few years they'll be throwing in Fitzpatricks, Schaubs, and Hoyers and end up no where in revolving door of retreads.
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Garrapolo has less risk than trubs... would you take the risk of wasting a 2 on trubs?

Kyle has already scouted Garrapolo and liked what he saw. We don't know what he thinks of the current draft class QB's, but we will find out in the near future. If he covets a rookie, he will make the necessary moves to get him. If It's Jimmy G then he will make the necessary moves to get him. If it's none of the above, then he will get that "bridge" QB and eithergo after Cousins next year or draft one next year. In any case, I trust that he knows what he's looking at and knows what he needs out of the postion and weather this or that QB can deliver what the coach wants. My faith is in KS to make the 'right' choice for the future of the franchise.