2017 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
Another 1st round CB Ward? O noooos

Agreed, we are all set with 1 Ward already lol

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Another 1st round CB Ward? O noooos

Agreed, we are all set with 1 Ward already lol

Could be off the team by the time the draft rolls along lol.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
The mocks and boards I've been reading are driving me crazy! McShay has the niners passing on OG Nelson, LB R Smith, OLB Edmunds, and DE Davenport to take CB Ward. Not sure that is believable but perhaps I just am under rating Ward.

Seriously doubt the 49ers would pass on any of those guys except maybe to select Ward. At 5'10", 180, Ward doesn't seem to really "fit" that prototype DB they want. The 49ers could address that need via free agency (Vontae Davis visiting today). McShay probably just throwing darts and assuming 49ers sign no one in FA.

Add me to the group of trading down into the lower rounds. I think there are a ton of value guys in the middle rounds.

Originally posted by kirkscrafford:

Add me to the group of trading down into the lower rounds. I think there are a ton of value guys in the middle rounds.

Noted!

I can't believe this. I thot we were in such good shape...all those OGs and 6 Centers in FA...until you start looking at film Norwell..hell yeah, if he isn't tagged . Overpay for him. But the Centers and remaining OGs...on PFF don't grade out better than what we have now. It has been an eye opener how few and far between top dollar quality is there. Not enough for us, for sure. Still , Norwell comes up, I would jump on that with both feet. But the rest? Wow, what an abundance of disappointment. Going thru the film on these guys who were getting touted not too very long ago....GACK...i don't want 'em. So draft it is. If our top guy is there on OL, Nelson, we draft him . No question. But if not, hey, i'm fine with trading down but only to get more OLs. CBs, LBs, ERs...as bad as we need them, we gotta plug that OL first. I thot initially fA would do it..WRONG!

So now we are going to have to do what a majority was in not if favor of to start. ...and that is get 3 yr trained pros to come in and fix the OL. Welp, they ain't there, unless we want to trade set of GOODYEARS for a set of B F GOODRICHs.. And that makes no sense. So sure if our guy isn't there at 9-10, you bet, back up, but not out of the money. That is a good question tho. Just HOW FAR back do we go. Sure it depends if we can swap #9 for a starting CB and LB for us. If John could pull that off , my hat is off to him. But still we got OL troubles and the first Center that could start....we gotta take him. If he is a Kilgore quality, no thanks. But true value, yes. Just a guess, but getting 3, maybe 4 picks in rd 2....that apppeals to me. Still i am a novice in NCAA football, so there are many better than I to hazard a guess here.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

I can't believe this. I thot we were in such good shape...all those OGs and 6 Centers in FA...until you start looking at film Norwell..hell yeah, if he isn't tagged . Overpay for him. But the Centers and remaining OGs...on PFF don't grade out better than what we have now. It has been an eye opener how few and far between top dollar quality is there. Not enough for us, for sure. Still , Norwell comes up, I would jump on that with both feet. But the rest? Wow, what an abundance of disappointment. Going thru the film on these guys who were getting touted not too very long ago....GACK...i don't want 'em. So draft it is. If our top guy is there on OL, Nelson, we draft him . No question. But if not, hey, i'm fine with trading down but only to get more OLs. CBs, LBs, ERs...as bad as we need them, we gotta plug that OL first. I thot initially fA would do it..WRONG!

So now we are going to have to do what a majority was in not if favor of to start. ...and that is get 3 yr trained pros to come in and fix the OL. Welp, they ain't there, unless we want to trade set of GOODYEARS for a set of B F GOODRICHs.. And that makes no sense. So sure if our guy isn't there at 9-10, you bet, back up, but not out of the money. That is a good question tho. Just HOW FAR back do we go. Sure it depends if we can swap #9 for a starting CB and LB for us. If John could pull that off , my hat is off to him. But still we got OL troubles and the first Center that could start....we gotta take him. If he is a Kilgore quality, no thanks. But true value, yes. Just a guess, but getting 3, maybe 4 picks in rd 2....that apppeals to me. Still i am a novice in NCAA football, so there are many better than I to hazard a guess here.

Yeah, We certainly picked a bad time to be the prime destination for free agents. There are no Deion Sanders on the market willing to play for the veteran minimum. No edge rushers, one great OL, average LB class, weak WR and RB class, and the deepest unit, CB, has no true lock down CB.

*sigh*

To the draft we go...

Preliminary Kilgore numbers.

Only a guess on my part, $2.25M GTD roster bonus, $500K per game roster bonuses yearly and $100k workout bonuses yearly.

$5.375M 2018
$2.825M 2019
$3.675M 2020

2018 base is likely GTD at signing, while his 2019 base is GTD for injury, and then fully on April 1 2019.

$7M in guarantees, $4.775M at signing.

I have us at $69.323M under($178M cap plus carryover)

49ers can save $5M by cutting Beadles(would be less due to top 51 rule, either $480K or $555K less)
$975K by cutting Don Jones

Remember that if the 49ers want to avoid paying Jimmie Ward $8.526M, he needs to pass a physical before March 14th, when his 2018 salary is GTD for the season.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

49ers can save $5M by cutting Beadles(would be less due to top 51 rule, either $480K or $555K less)
$975K by cutting Don Jones

Remember that if the 49ers want to avoid paying Jimmie Ward $8.526M, he needs to pass a physical before March 14th, when his 2018 salary is GTD for the season.

I also got Aldrick Robinson and possibly Laken, Harold as guys that can free up an additional 5 mill give or take if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
49ers can save $5M by cutting Beadles(would be less due to top 51 rule, either $480K or $555K less)
$975K by cutting Don Jones

Remember that if the 49ers want to avoid paying Jimmie Ward $8.526M, he needs to pass a physical before March 14th, when his 2018 salary is GTD for the season.

I'm comfused, AB. You say that if the Niners want to avoid paying Jimmie $8.526M he needs to pass his physical or fail his physical?

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

49ers can save $5M by cutting Beadles(would be less due to top 51 rule, either $480K or $555K less)
$975K by cutting Don Jones

Remember that if the 49ers want to avoid paying Jimmie Ward $8.526M, he needs to pass a physical before March 14th, when his 2018 salary is GTD for the season.

I'm comfused, AB. You say that if the Niners want to avoid paying Jimmie $8.526M he needs to pass his physical or fail his physical?

Pass so they can cut him with zero dead money.if he fails then he's definitely back. Moves to CB, maybe safety if Tartt moves to LB in nickel. Not the end of the world.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
49ers can save $5M by cutting Beadles(would be less due to top 51 rule, either $480K or $555K less)
$975K by cutting Don Jones

Remember that if the 49ers want to avoid paying Jimmie Ward $8.526M, he needs to pass a physical before March 14th, when his 2018 salary is GTD for the season.

I'm comfused, AB. You say that if the Niners want to avoid paying Jimmie $8.526M he needs to pass his physical or fail his physical?

Pass so they can cut him with zero dead money.if he fails then he's definitely back. Moves to CB, maybe safety if Tartt moves to LB in nickel. Not the end of the world.

Thanks.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

I can't believe this. I thot we were in such good shape...all those OGs and 6 Centers in FA...until you start looking at film Norwell..hell yeah, if he isn't tagged . Overpay for him. But the Centers and remaining OGs...on PFF don't grade out better than what we have now. It has been an eye opener how few and far between top dollar quality is there. Not enough for us, for sure. Still , Norwell comes up, I would jump on that with both feet. But the rest? Wow, what an abundance of disappointment. Going thru the film on these guys who were getting touted not too very long ago....GACK...i don't want 'em. So draft it is. If our top guy is there on OL, Nelson, we draft him . No question. But if not, hey, i'm fine with trading down but only to get more OLs. CBs, LBs, ERs...as bad as we need them, we gotta plug that OL first. I thot initially fA would do it..WRONG!

So now we are going to have to do what a majority was in not if favor of to start. ...and that is get 3 yr trained pros to come in and fix the OL. Welp, they ain't there, unless we want to trade set of GOODYEARS for a set of B F GOODRICHs.. And that makes no sense. So sure if our guy isn't there at 9-10, you bet, back up, but not out of the money. That is a good question tho. Just HOW FAR back do we go. Sure it depends if we can swap #9 for a starting CB and LB for us. If John could pull that off , my hat is off to him. But still we got OL troubles and the first Center that could start....we gotta take him. If he is a Kilgore quality, no thanks. But true value, yes. Just a guess, but getting 3, maybe 4 picks in rd 2....that apppeals to me. Still i am a novice in NCAA football, so there are many better than I to hazard a guess here.

Yeah, We certainly picked a bad time to be the prime destination for free agents. There are no Deion Sanders on the market willing to play for the veteran minimum. No edge rushers, one great OL, average LB class, weak WR and RB class, and the deepest unit, CB, has no true lock down CB.

*sigh*

To the draft we go...

Don't forget trades! Like for example - Jimmy GQ for a second round pick!

In other words, a lot of things can happen still. We are very early in the off-season and if shanalych does well, even if they don't get super stars, it can be the foundation for a lot of championships later on. Remember, we didn't get Fred dean till the (I think) 3rd or 4th week of the regular season in 1981.

It's a good point, Giedi, the cap cut/age guys, who have a big payday coming but are getting on in yrs. I forget that happens every yr and yes, there can be some nice talent there, but not worth a 4 yr contract at too many $$/yr. Usually guys like that have a yr, sometimes 2 or 3 left in the tank, but usually just a yr or two...which would fit our bill nicely as we very well may be looking for LT guys next yr. Better FAs according to NY( I think) for the OL. Wouldn't have to be too much to be better than what is available this yr. After Norwell, we just wouldn't be going up in talent. Considering there are 7 or 8 Centers and 10+ OGs, that doesn't speak well for this yr's FAs...at least on the OL. So if a Sitton comes available, there is possibility. Not sure about others. But all we need is one guy and that is a big improvement.

Most agree that Mags, Darren Williams(OT), and Garnett are still out there, with a yr to get acquainted, hopefully learn the playbook and in Garnett's case heal well. Still those are guys we HOPE for...and really shouldn't be counted as starters. IF one or more comes thru, fantasmagorical. But no betting on it. The age/Cap cuts may very well be our saving grace...but let's let it play out. One thing. Left in Lynch's hands, I know it will get researched well and if talent is there, even for a season or two, he will get his man. I hope with the FA class pretty much a dud, if norwell is not tagged and CAR isn't interested in paying him, that we go high and outbid all others. Unfortunately his deal has lots of moving pieces, so I am not planning on landing him. BUT ...if he hits the market, no matter the cost, we need to drop a bundle all right there. Nail him down. Then see if we luck out in draft with Nelson (stll can't believe he drops to 9-10), we bag him. Finally an older cap/age cut and we round it out. The likelihood of all that happening? not much. But it is a scenario.