2017 Team Information (Needs)

Aside from Hyde and Reid, who may price themselves out of coming back, I think there are a few guys that I would want back.

I think Coyle and Marsh are nice back ups and are monsters on ST. Depending on what they decide to do with Armstead, I think Tank can be a nice keep on the DL.

Originally posted by kirkscrafford:

Aside from Hyde and Reid, who may price themselves out of coming back, I think there are a few guys that I would want back.

I think Coyle and Marsh are nice back ups and are monsters on ST. Depending on what they decide to do with Armstead, I think Tank can be a nice keep on the DL.

Good point. Even if we don't go Tank there, Armstead, Thomas and Douzable can play there effectively too so it's not a must. But Tank is the best of that bunch in run defense. Armstead probably least but adds the most rush.

Originally posted by NCommand:
As to our own FA's, I'd sign

Jimmy Garoppolo (quarterback): Pay the man $25M a year for the next 4 years.

Carlos Hyde (running back): I'd offer him a modest contract to compete to start next year.

Brock Coyle (linebacker): Excellent ST player and proved to be a capable 3rd MIKE who can make all the defensive calls.

Daniel Kilgore (center): Offer him backup money and a chance to compete.

Cassius Marsh (defensive end): You can never have too many edge rushers. Rotation contract.

Tank Carradine (defensive end): Saleh loves him and probably a priority starter at Big End.

Garry Gilliam (right tackle): Lynch talked about the importance of having depth at T. He's solid depth.

I agree with this list:

1. Garoppolo- Either the franchise tag or a 3- 4 year deal.

2. Hyde- Offer him a team friendly deal if he accepts then gravy if he doesn't then running back is not high on the list and either go from within or look at undrafted guys.

3. Coyle- Yes as a back up and special teamer plus Malcolm Smith should be back.

4. Kilgore- Only as depth the team needs a talented center moving forward.

5. Marsh- Agree as a backup pass rusher.

6. Carradine- Just like Hyde on a team friendly deal if not there are other guys.

7. Gilliam- Yes as depth.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Again, good list NC, but question re: Kilgore. If he cannot block and protect our FR Qb, why would we want to keep him. Here i think it really is a case of injury /age and he just can't do it anymore. If you are just suggesting allow him to compete, fine. But more than that, i think we can do better....we have to do better. You know the central 2/3 of our OL cannot block and if it weren't for JG out there, it would be a horror show each week. We saw that terrific first series last week where on 3rd and 3 (or 5), Jimmy just got the ball off and he got plastered from behind. If that wasn't kilgore's man , ok, but it just shows we cannot allow our FR QB to get beat up by guys who can't block. Sure jimmy can get the ball out but is you already know, if he gets hit that hard every play, he'll be injured in no time . Now if we had 3 stud blockers in front of him, Joe and Trenton on each end, then we are doing our best to take care of our FR QB...a once in a generation QB. So no on Kilgore for me, although he does know how to dish out line blocking. But actual blocking, no. So i would pass on him, plus Beadles, plus Fsco, plus Laken. I am not opposed to them competing but just don't want to resign guys who can't block.

As for Gilliam, did he show well when he played? I can't remember him except injured.

Excellent point!

The #1 priority is to get 3 middle of the line guys that can block. Most importantly pass protect. Let's take a page out of the Patriots book. Brady is good but the guy hardly ever gets hit hard and has a lot of time to throw. The only time they struggle is when the line has struggled to protect him. In their book if you can't protect Brady then you can't play there.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Again, good list NC, but question re: Kilgore. If he cannot block and protect our FR Qb, why would we want to keep him. Here i think it really is a case of injury /age and he just can't do it anymore. If you are just suggesting allow him to compete, fine. But more than that, i think we can do better....we have to do better. You know the central 2/3 of our OL cannot block and if it weren't for JG out there, it would be a horror show each week. We saw that terrific first series last week where on 3rd and 3 (or 5), Jimmy just got the ball off and he got plastered from behind. If that wasn't kilgore's man , ok, but it just shows we cannot allow our FR QB to get beat up by guys who can't block. Sure jimmy can get the ball out but is you already know, if he gets hit that hard every play, he'll be injured in no time . Now if we had 3 stud blockers in front of him, Joe and Trenton on each end, then we are doing our best to take care of our FR QB...a once in a generation QB. So no on Kilgore for me, although he does know how to dish out line blocking. But actual blocking, no. So i would pass on him, plus Beadles, plus Fsco, plus Laken. I am not opposed to them competing but just don't want to resign guys who can't block.

As for Gilliam, did he show well when he played? I can't remember him except injured.

Excellent point!

The #1 priority is to get 3 middle of the line guys that can block. Most importantly pass protect. Let's take a page out of the Patriots book. Brady is good but the guy hardly ever gets hit hard and has a lot of time to throw. The only time they struggle is when the line has struggled to protect him. In their book if you can't protect Brady then they look for someone that can.

With the WCO, I don't think we will ever have an OL that gives the QB 4 seconds like the DAL and NE OL did. Just too tough to do with mobile OL where the zone stretch ability is more important. I don't think OL is as high a priority as other positions in terms of man on man beating matchups.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Again, good list NC, but question re: Kilgore. If he cannot block and protect our FR Qb, why would we want to keep him. Here i think it really is a case of injury /age and he just can't do it anymore. If you are just suggesting allow him to compete, fine. But more than that, i think we can do better....we have to do better. You know the central 2/3 of our OL cannot block and if it weren't for JG out there, it would be a horror show each week. We saw that terrific first series last week where on 3rd and 3 (or 5), Jimmy just got the ball off and he got plastered from behind. If that wasn't kilgore's man , ok, but it just shows we cannot allow our FR QB to get beat up by guys who can't block. Sure jimmy can get the ball out but is you already know, if he gets hit that hard every play, he'll be injured in no time . Now if we had 3 stud blockers in front of him, Joe and Trenton on each end, then we are doing our best to take care of our FR QB...a once in a generation QB. So no on Kilgore for me, although he does know how to dish out line blocking. But actual blocking, no. So i would pass on him, plus Beadles, plus Fsco, plus Laken. I am not opposed to them competing but just don't want to resign guys who can't block.

As for Gilliam, did he show well when he played? I can't remember him except injured.

Excellent point!

The #1 priority is to get 3 middle of the line guys that can block. Most importantly pass protect. Let's take a page out of the Patriots book. Brady is good but the guy hardly ever gets hit hard and has a lot of time to throw. The only time they struggle is when the line has struggled to protect him. In their book if you can't protect Brady then they look for someone that can.

With the WCO, I don't think we will ever have an OL that gives the QB 4 seconds like the DAL and NE OL did. Just too tough to do with mobile OL where the zone stretch ability is more important. I don't think OL is as high a priority as other positions in terms of man on man beating matchups.

I agree with you that there is a difference as far as scheme in the offenses. However, Shanahan puts Jimmy G in the shot gun quite often and is not always looking to get his yardage off play- action plays. I think we can all agree that the team would be better served if they solidify the O- line with guys that can keep Jimmy G upright?

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Again, good list NC, but question re: Kilgore. If he cannot block and protect our FR Qb, why would we want to keep him. Here i think it really is a case of injury /age and he just can't do it anymore. If you are just suggesting allow him to compete, fine. But more than that, i think we can do better....we have to do better. You know the central 2/3 of our OL cannot block and if it weren't for JG out there, it would be a horror show each week. We saw that terrific first series last week where on 3rd and 3 (or 5), Jimmy just got the ball off and he got plastered from behind. If that wasn't kilgore's man , ok, but it just shows we cannot allow our FR QB to get beat up by guys who can't block. Sure jimmy can get the ball out but is you already know, if he gets hit that hard every play, he'll be injured in no time . Now if we had 3 stud blockers in front of him, Joe and Trenton on each end, then we are doing our best to take care of our FR QB...a once in a generation QB. So no on Kilgore for me, although he does know how to dish out line blocking. But actual blocking, no. So i would pass on him, plus Beadles, plus Fsco, plus Laken. I am not opposed to them competing but just don't want to resign guys who can't block.

As for Gilliam, did he show well when he played? I can't remember him except injured.

Excellent point!

The #1 priority is to get 3 middle of the line guys that can block. Most importantly pass protect. Let's take a page out of the Patriots book. Brady is good but the guy hardly ever gets hit hard and has a lot of time to throw. The only time they struggle is when the line has struggled to protect him. In their book if you can't protect Brady then they look for someone that can.

With the WCO, I don't think we will ever have an OL that gives the QB 4 seconds like the DAL and NE OL did. Just too tough to do with mobile OL where the zone stretch ability is more important. I don't think OL is as high a priority as other positions in terms of man on man beating matchups.

I agree with you that there is a difference as far as scheme in the offenses. However, Shanahan puts Jimmy G in the shot gun quite often and is not always looking to get his yardage off play- action plays. I think we can all agree that the team would be better served if they solidify the O- line with guys that can keep Jimmy G upright?

I think that has more to do with him not knowing the full offense along with his ability to read defenses and know where to go with the mismatch. Once he knows this offense, I think we are going to see a s**t load of JG under center next season with a lot of plays presnap looking identical...until the ball is snapped and the D says, "Oh s**t!"

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Again, good list NC, but question re: Kilgore. If he cannot block and protect our FR Qb, why would we want to keep him. Here i think it really is a case of injury /age and he just can't do it anymore. If you are just suggesting allow him to compete, fine. But more than that, i think we can do better....we have to do better. You know the central 2/3 of our OL cannot block and if it weren't for JG out there, it would be a horror show each week. We saw that terrific first series last week where on 3rd and 3 (or 5), Jimmy just got the ball off and he got plastered from behind. If that wasn't kilgore's man , ok, but it just shows we cannot allow our FR QB to get beat up by guys who can't block. Sure jimmy can get the ball out but is you already know, if he gets hit that hard every play, he'll be injured in no time . Now if we had 3 stud blockers in front of him, Joe and Trenton on each end, then we are doing our best to take care of our FR QB...a once in a generation QB. So no on Kilgore for me, although he does know how to dish out line blocking. But actual blocking, no. So i would pass on him, plus Beadles, plus Fsco, plus Laken. I am not opposed to them competing but just don't want to resign guys who can't block.

As for Gilliam, did he show well when he played? I can't remember him except injured.

Excellent point!

The #1 priority is to get 3 middle of the line guys that can block. Most importantly pass protect. Let's take a page out of the Patriots book. Brady is good but the guy hardly ever gets hit hard and has a lot of time to throw. The only time they struggle is when the line has struggled to protect him. In their book if you can't protect Brady then they look for someone that can.

With the WCO, I don't think we will ever have an OL that gives the QB 4 seconds like the DAL and NE OL did. Just too tough to do with mobile OL where the zone stretch ability is more important. I don't think OL is as high a priority as other positions in terms of man on man beating matchups.

I agree with you that there is a difference as far as scheme in the offenses. However, Shanahan puts Jimmy G in the shot gun quite often and is not always looking to get his yardage off play- action plays. I think we can all agree that the team would be better served if they solidify the O- line with guys that can keep Jimmy G upright?

I think that has more to do with him not knowing the full offense along with his ability to read defenses and know where to go with the mismatch. Once he knows this offense, I think we are going to see a s**t load of JG under center next season with a lot of plays presnap looking identical...until the ball is snapped and the D says, "Oh s**t!"

It's very possible. I do remember seeing Matt Ryan in the shotgun a lot last year though. Let's also consider that Jimmy G has been in the shotgun scheme for the last 4 years too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

So if we're going to be drafting around #10, we'll be right in prime position to trade back esp. if a QB falls to us here between #8 - #11.

If any of these QB's fall to us, it should be even nicer trade compensation.

A trade back between #15 - #21 puts us in prime position for our biggest team needs with premier players AND add additional ammunition for other needs.

7. Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA. - Trade back ammo
8. Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. - Trade back ammo
9. Vita Vea, DT, Washington. - Don't need
10. Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson.- LEO need
11. Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson. - Don't need
12. Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama. - Don't need
13. Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama. - Don't need
14. Sam Darnold, QB, USC. - Trade back ammo
15. Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU. - ZWR need
16. Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia. - WILL/MIKE need
17. Joshua Jackson, CB, Iowa. - #1/#2 CB need
18. Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame. - Big need
19. Donte Jackson, CB, LSU. - #1/#2 CB need
20. Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State. - #1/#2 CB need
21. Josh Allen, LB, Kentucky. - WILL/MIKE need

I heard a podcast last week that confirmed, the earliest we can draft is 8th and latest, 11th.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NCommand:

So if we're going to be drafting around #10, we'll be right in prime position to trade back esp. if a QB falls to us here between #8 - #11.

If any of these QB's fall to us, it should be even nicer trade compensation.

A trade back between #15 - #21 puts us in prime position for our biggest team needs with premier players AND add additional ammunition for other needs.

7. Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA. - Trade back ammo
8. Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. - Trade back ammo
9. Vita Vea, DT, Washington. - Don't need
10. Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson.- LEO need
11. Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson. - Don't need
12. Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama. - Don't need
13. Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama. - Don't need
14. Sam Darnold, QB, USC. - Trade back ammo
15. Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU. - ZWR need
16. Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia. - WILL/MIKE need
17. Joshua Jackson, CB, Iowa. - #1/#2 CB need
18. Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame. - Big need
19. Donte Jackson, CB, LSU. - #1/#2 CB need
20. Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State. - #1/#2 CB need
21. Josh Allen, LB, Kentucky. - WILL/MIKE need

I heard a podcast last week that confirmed, the earliest we can draft is 8th and latest, 11th.

Quickly looked at the standings but looks like as early as 5th and late as 11th. But we'd need a lot of help from teams like Jets Broncos Tampa and a loss by niners to get 5th. A win and at worst 11. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong .. but there's still so much talent at places of need around the 10 mark, if there's a qb someone lives like Jackson or Allen, we could possibly trade down a few picks and still fill a huge need with a really good player

Originally posted by DJamhour:

Quickly looked at the standings but looks like as early as 5th and late as 11th. But we'd need a lot of help from teams like Jets Broncos Tampa and a loss by niners to get 5th. A win and at worst 11. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong .. but there's still so much talent at places of need around the 10 mark, if there's a qb someone lives like Jackson or Allen, we could possibly trade down a few picks and still fill a huge need with a really good player

Yeah, you may be right...I was just going off that podcast and I'm not sure how accurate it is. I know after record, it diverts next to SOS.

Right now, we're 8th.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

And to your point, we're still in prime position to trade back and still nail a player we'd badly need anyhow (which was the purpose of my OP).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, you may be right...I was just going off that podcast and I'm not sure how accurate it is. I know after record, it diverts next to SOS.

Right now, we're 8th.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

And to your point, we're still in prime position to trade back and still nail a player we'd badly need anyhow (which was the purpose of my OP).

We win tie breaker between Chi, MIA, TB and maybe NYJ if we tie. Everyone else we have a stronger SOS over them. We'll likely end up with at 7-8 with loss and 11 with a win. Trading back could still be an option for sure, seems like there's 40-50 players that could end up with a 1st round grade this draft. Would be nice trade back a little and have a few extra picks. This offseason just can't come around any faster

Originally posted by DJamhour:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, you may be right...I was just going off that podcast and I'm not sure how accurate it is. I know after record, it diverts next to SOS.

Right now, we're 8th.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

And to your point, we're still in prime position to trade back and still nail a player we'd badly need anyhow (which was the purpose of my OP).

We win tie breaker between Chi, MIA, TB and maybe NYJ if we tie. Everyone else we have a stronger SOS over them. We'll likely end up with at 7-8 with loss and 11 with a win. Trading back could still be an option for sure, seems like there's 40-50 players that could end up with a 1st round grade this draft. Would be nice trade back a little and have a few extra picks. This offseason just can't come around any faster

Thank you for that! That makes sense...

Seriously, bring on the off season. Let's get through today with no injuries!

If Bengals win we'll get 10th pick, with bengals loss we're picking 11th. Not sure how the SOS between us and the Raiders is going to be but right now they have a slight edge but it could still changes. Maybe luckily making our way into 9th

Originally posted by DJamhour:

If Bengals win we'll get 10th pick, with bengals loss we're picking 11th. Not sure how the SOS between us and the Raiders is going to be but right now they have a slight edge but it could still changes. Maybe luckily making our way into 9th

Coin flip for 9th/10th with the Raiders. But you probably already know that.