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Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
68 players signed. Need 22 more. A couple more FA's. 10 from the draft and about 10 UDFA's.

Looking at the pre draft visit as matched up against MD's big board, we're tied to 10 of the top 12 picks (meaning we're poised to stay at #2 or take a small trade back and no later than #12). In addition, we're tied to around 9 players close to our 2nd pick (meaning, we're poised to stay with that pick and are prepared for an extra 2nd).

60-40 we trade back and it may be moving up to 65-35 soon.

73 signed

OFFENSE:

QB: Brian Hoyer(2018)/Matt Barkley(2018)
RB: Carlos Hyde(2017)/Tim Hightower(2017)/DuJuan Harris(2017)/Mike Davis(2018)/Raheem Mostert(2017)
FB: Kyle Juszczyk(2020)
XWR: Pierre Garcon(2021)/Aldrick Robinson(2018)/Chris Harper(2017)
YWR: Jeremy Kerley(2019)/Bruce Ellington(2017)/Aaron Burbridge(2019)
ZWR: Marquise Goodwin(2018)/Eric Rogers(2017)/DeAndre Carter(2018)/Rashad Ross(2017)/DeAndre Smelter(2017)
TE: Vance McDonald(2021)/Logan Paulsen(2017)/Garrett Celek(2019)/Blake Bell(2018)/Je'Ron Hamm(2017)
C: Jeremy Zuttah(2018)/Daniel Kilgore(2017)/Alex Balducci(2018)
LG: Zane Beadles(2018)
RG: Joshua Garnett(2019)
LT: Joe Staley(2019)/John Theus(2019)
RT: Trent Brown(2018)/Gary Gilliam(2017)/Norman Price(2018)

DEFENSE:

5T/DE: Arik Armstead(2018)/Ronald Blair(2019)/Zach Moore(2018)
1T/NT: Earl Mitchell(2020)/Mike Purcell(2017)
3T/DT: DeForest Buckner(2019)/Quinton Dial(2019)/Chris Jones(2017)
6T/LEO: Aaron Lynch(2017)/Tank Carradine(2017)
WILL: Malcolm Smith(2021)/Ray-Ray Armstrong(2018)/Dekoda Watson(2019)/Carl Bradford(2017)
MIKE: NaVorro Bowman(2022)/Brock Coyle(2017)/Shayne Skov(2017)/Jayson DiManche(2017)
SAM: Ahmad Brooks(2017)/Eli Harld(2018)/Wynton McManis(2018)
LCB: Dontae Johnson(2017)/Keith Reaser(2017)/Prince Charles Iworah(2017)
SCB: K'Wuan Williams(2017)/Will Redmond(2019)
RCB: Rashard Robinson(2019)/JaCorey Shepherd(2017)
FS: Jimmie Ward(2017)/Don Jones(2018)/Marcus Ball(2017)
SS: Eric Reid(2017)/Jaquiski Tartt(2018)/Vinnie Sunseri(2017)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

PK: Robbie Gould(2018)/Nick Rose(2018)
P: Bradley Pinion(2018)/Brock Miller(2019)
LS: Kyle Nelson(2018)

Thanks for the breakdown

No problemo, I might have somethings off, I went off of memory on where the players may/will play, I think the roster is shaping out to be better than 2016 for sure. Anxious for draft day(s).
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO! I forgot to count ST's. Haha.

Yeah, 73. My bad!

OK, so maybe one more FA, 10 draft picks and about 6 UDFA's.

How could you forget about KYLE NELSON? lol

Right!?! What IS wrong with me?

Exactly, he's the second greatest LS of all time, behind BRIAN JENNINGS, who follows me on Twitter lol.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Exactly, he's the second greatest LS of all time, behind BRIAN JENNINGS, who follows me on Twitter lol.

You read my mind. Brian Jennings is a freaking LEGEND. Since he's gone, I just don't even count ST anymore. LOL

I know it's really really early, but here's what I have IMO for who should make the team in September, either because it's obvious, or they have contract guarantees,

QB Hoyer
RB Hyde
RB Hightower
FB Juszczyk
WR Garcon
WR Kerley
WR Goodwin
WR Robinson
TE McDonald
TE Paulsen
TE Celek
C Zuttah
C Kilgore (Would be primary Interior lineman backup)
OG Garnett
OG Beadles
OT Staley
OT Brown
OT Gilliam
DE Armstead
DE Blair
LEO Lynch (Not a lock, but if he comes in, in shape, he should make it)
LEO Carradine
DT Buckner
DT Dial
NT Mitchell
OLB Smith
OLB Brooks (Not guaranteed, if we draft someone we could cut him, since he has no guaranteed money)
OLB Harold
OLB Armstrong
OLB Watson (Not a lock byt he makes it for STs IMO)
MLB Bowman
MLB Coyle (Not a lock but he makes it IMO for STs)
CB Robinson
CB Johnson
CB Williams (Not a lock, but I think he makes it)
CB Redmond
S Reid
S Tartt
S Jones
DB Ward (Not sure where he plays, CB or FS)
PK Gould
P Pinion
LS Nelson

My feelings are on gamedays, Zuttah, Kilgore, Beadles, Garnett, Staley, Brown, and Gilliam would be the regular 7 to dress, and I think that's a solid 7 OL to have right now.

Obviously we need another QB, we will draft one, not sure what round though.

Would like to see us get a WR in the first 3 rounds, so deep, I like a lot of guys that could be #1 caliber guys with more experience.

I also wouldn't mind a 2nd WR drafted, maybe in rd 4, I'm not sure what Ellington and Rogers have coming off injuries. And guys like Carter, Smelter, and Harper are unproven, or mainly camp bodies IMO.

If we keep a 4th TE, it's between Bell and Hamm.

Backup OL, we could draft a OG or a developmental OL, I don't see this as a need on day 1 or 2.

We need a EDGE rusher badly, maybe a OLB, a CB for sure, and S.

So yeah can't wait for the draft to get here, super pumped.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I know it's really really early, but here's what I have IMO for who should make the team in September, either because it's obvious, or they have contract guarantees,

QB Hoyer
RB Hyde
RB Hightower
FB Juszczyk
WR Garcon
WR Kerley
WR Goodwin
WR Robinson
TE McDonald
TE Paulsen
TE Celek
C Zuttah
C Kilgore (Would be primary Interior lineman backup)
OG Garnett
OG Beadles
OT Staley
OT Brown
OT Gilliam
DE Armstead
DE Blair
LEO Lynch (Not a lock, but if he comes in, in shape, he should make it)
LEO Carradine
DT Buckner
DT Dial
NT Mitchell
OLB Smith
OLB Brooks (Not guaranteed, if we draft someone we could cut him, since he has no guaranteed money)
OLB Harold
OLB Armstrong
OLB Watson (Not a lock byt he makes it for STs IMO)
MLB Bowman
MLB Coyle (Not a lock but he makes it IMO for STs)
CB Robinson
CB Johnson
CB Williams (Not a lock, but I think he makes it)
CB Redmond
S Reid
S Tartt
S Jones
DB Ward (Not sure where he plays, CB or FS)
PK Gould
P Pinion
LS Nelson

My feelings are on gamedays, Zuttah, Kilgore, Beadles, Garnett, Staley, Brown, and Gilliam would be the regular 7 to dress, and I think that's a solid 7 OL to have right now.

Obviously we need another QB, we will draft one, not sure what round though.

Would like to see us get a WR in the first 3 rounds, so deep, I like a lot of guys that could be #1 caliber guys with more experience.

I also wouldn't mind a 2nd WR drafted, maybe in rd 4, I'm not sure what Ellington and Rogers have coming off injuries. And guys like Carter, Smelter, and Harper are unproven, or mainly camp bodies IMO.

If we keep a 4th TE, it's between Bell and Hamm.

Backup OL, we could draft a OG or a developmental OL, I don't see this as a need on day 1 or 2.

We need a EDGE rusher badly, maybe a OLB, a CB for sure, and S.

So yeah can't wait for the draft to get here, super pumped.

Garçon,Goodwin,Kerley,Aldrick Robinson is a decent 4... one of the guys above along with Burbridge have a shot at the #6 WR spot. I think one quality WR by round 3 is a must. If not a WR then TE if Shanny doesn't care that much about the WR class and wants to add more of a 2-TE explosive wrinkle in his offense by having McDonald pair with Njoku/Engram/Hodges.
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Garçon,Goodwin,Kerley,Aldrick Robinson is a decent 4... one of the guys above along with Burbridge have a shot at the #6 WR spot. I think one quality WR by round 3 is a must. If not a WR then TE if Shanny doesn't care that much about the WR class and wants to add more of a 2-TE explosive wrinkle in his offense by having McDonald pair with Njoku/Engram/Hodges.

Agreed. Big-bodied...either at the ZWR or TE this year.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Garçon,Goodwin,Kerley,Aldrick Robinson is a decent 4... one of the guys above along with Burbridge have a shot at the #6 WR spot. I think one quality WR by round 3 is a must. If not a WR then TE if Shanny doesn't care that much about the WR class and wants to add more of a 2-TE explosive wrinkle in his offense by having McDonald pair with Njoku/Engram/Hodges.

Agreed. Big-bodied...either at the ZWR or TE this year.

Mike Williams, Josh Malone, Evan Engram or Bucky Hodges & I will be happy
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Garçon,Goodwin,Kerley,Aldrick Robinson is a decent 4... one of the guys above along with Burbridge have a shot at the #6 WR spot. I think one quality WR by round 3 is a must. If not a WR then TE if Shanny doesn't care that much about the WR class and wants to add more of a 2-TE explosive wrinkle in his offense by having McDonald pair with Njoku/Engram/Hodges.

Agreed. Big-bodied...either at the ZWR or TE this year.

Mike Williams, Josh Malone, Evan Engram or Bucky Hodges & I will be happy

Yes sir!
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I know it's really really early, but here's what I have IMO for who should make the team in September, either because it's obvious, or they have contract guarantees,

QB Hoyer
RB Hyde
RB Hightower
FB Juszczyk
WR Garcon
WR Kerley
WR Goodwin
WR Robinson
TE McDonald
TE Paulsen
TE Celek
C Zuttah
C Kilgore (Would be primary Interior lineman backup)
OG Garnett
OG Beadles
OT Staley
OT Brown
OT Gilliam
DE Armstead
DE Blair
LEO Lynch (Not a lock, but if he comes in, in shape, he should make it)
LEO Carradine
DT Buckner
DT Dial
NT Mitchell
OLB Smith
OLB Brooks (Not guaranteed, if we draft someone we could cut him, since he has no guaranteed money)
OLB Harold
OLB Armstrong
OLB Watson (Not a lock byt he makes it for STs IMO)
MLB Bowman
MLB Coyle (Not a lock but he makes it IMO for STs)
CB Robinson
CB Johnson
CB Williams (Not a lock, but I think he makes it)
CB Redmond
S Reid
S Tartt
S Jones
DB Ward (Not sure where he plays, CB or FS)
PK Gould
P Pinion
LS Nelson

My feelings are on gamedays, Zuttah, Kilgore, Beadles, Garnett, Staley, Brown, and Gilliam would be the regular 7 to dress, and I think that's a solid 7 OL to have right now.

Obviously we need another QB, we will draft one, not sure what round though.

Would like to see us get a WR in the first 3 rounds, so deep, I like a lot of guys that could be #1 caliber guys with more experience.

I also wouldn't mind a 2nd WR drafted, maybe in rd 4, I'm not sure what Ellington and Rogers have coming off injuries. And guys like Carter, Smelter, and Harper are unproven, or mainly camp bodies IMO.

If we keep a 4th TE, it's between Bell and Hamm.

Backup OL, we could draft a OG or a developmental OL, I don't see this as a need on day 1 or 2.

We need a EDGE rusher badly, maybe a OLB, a CB for sure, and S.

So yeah can't wait for the draft to get here, super pumped.

AB, take Zuttah and Gilliam off that OL, and replace with Martin and Pears....and just based on those two guys alone, the OL got incredibly better. Matter of fact , addition by deletion....just removing Martin and Pears with NO replacements, made us worlds better. The Zut and Gilliam was just whipped cream on the sundae.
Pre-Draft Visits: QB, ER, CB, WR, RB, S, G, TE, T, DT & LB

QB - 8
6 Mitchell Trubisky
7 Patrick Mahomes
12 Deshaun Watson
34 Davis Webb
45 DeShone Kizer
88 Nathan Peterman
135 Joshua Dobbs
142 Jerod Evans

ER - 7
1 Myles Garrett
22 Derek Barnett
32 TJ Watt
40 Jordan Willis
72 Tim Williams
180 Keion Adams
184 Johnathan Calvin

CB - 6
4 Marshon Lattimore
27 Kevin King
28 Chidobe Awuzie
51 Ahkello Witherspoon
87 Teez Tabor
117 Cam Sutton

RB - 6
8 Leonard Fournette
9 Christian McCaffrey
35 Dalvin Cook
44 Alvin Kamara
77 Kareem Hunt
225 Aaron Jones

WR - 5
15 Corey Davis
18 Mike Williams
78 Carlos Henderson
93 Chad Hansen
202 Artavis Scott

S - 5
3 Malik Hooker
5 Jamal Adams
31 Obi Melifonwu
33 Jabrill Peppers
42 Budda Baker

G - 5
66 Dion Dawkins
69 Dan Feeney
99 Nico Siragusa
165 Jessamen Dunker
185 Corey Levin

TE - 3
123 George Kittle
157 Jordan Leggett
187 Michael Roberts

T - 3
23 Cam Robinson
70 Julie'n Davenport
110 David Sharpe

DT - 2
2 Solomon Thomas
11 Jonathan Allen

LB - 2
16 Reuben Foster
118 Elijah Lee
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 20, 2017 at 6:50 PM ]

Originally posted by NCommand:

Pre-Snap Visits

I wonder if they're planning any "post-snap-pre-draft" visits as well?



(Thanks for the list , nice information, as always).
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
I wonder if they're planning any "post-snap-pre-draft" visits as well?



(Thanks for the list , nice information, as always).

LMAO. You guys sure keep me on my toes...love it.

Yeah that list is very telling. I used MadDog's board so you can get an ideas where these picks might go in relationship to our draft picks.
Update, unconfirmed(trying to confirm it), but Garrett Celek's base salary may have became fully guaranteed on April 1, making him a lock to make the team, unless they trade him, which will be hard, we'd have to also give up a pick just to get a pick back, like we did with Derek Carrier, and how Baltimore did with Zuttah(w Us) and Jernigan.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Update, unconfirmed(trying to confirm it), but Garrett Celek's base salary may have became fully guaranteed on April 1, making him a lock to make the team, unless they trade him, which will be hard, we'd have to also give up a pick just to get a pick back, like we did with Derek Carrier, and how Baltimore did with Zuttah(w Us) and Jernigan.

Package with a 7th and get a 6th... we take a TE in the fourth like Bucky Hodges's or even red shirt Jake Butt. McD,Bell,Paulsen,Hamm and Juice in some packages is solid.
Hope you don't mind NC, I was curious about something. Once you posted all of the pre-draft visits, I was wondering if there was anything we could "glean" from the list, if organized by our draft picks. I think it's somewhat interesting (take it for what it's worth) - does it mean anything? Probably not lol.

Looks like a list of who we've looked at for #2:

1 Myles Garrett Edge
2 Solomon Thomas DT
3 Malik Hooker S
4 Marshon Lattimore CB
5 Jamal Adams S
6 Mitchell Trubisky QB
7 Patrick Mahomes QB
8 Leonard Fournette RB

Looks like a list if we can trade down:

9 Christian McCaffrey RB
11 Jonathan Allen DT
12 Deshaun Watson QB
15 Corey Davis WR
16 Reuben Foster LB
18 Mike Williams WR
22 Derek Barnett Edge
23 Cam Robinson OT

Looks like who we think might be there at 34:

27 Kevin King CB
28 Chidobe Awuzie CB
31 Obi Melifonwu S
32 TJ Watt Edge
33 Jabrill Peppers S
34 Davis Webb QB
35 Dalvin Cook RB
40 Jordan Willis Edge
42 Budda Baker S
44 Alvin Kamara RB
45 DeShone Kizer QB

So far, it's basically been just a set of good players. But for 66, maybe it looks a little more "targeted"? (3 OL, 2 CB):

51 Ahkello Witherspoon CB
66 Dion Dawkins G
69 Dan Feeney G
70 Julie'n Davenport OT
72 Tim Williams Edge
77 Kareem Hunt RB
78 Carlos Henderson WR
87 Teez Tabor CB
88 Nathan Peterman QB

For pick 109 (2 more OL):

93 Chad Hansen WR
99 Nico Siragusa G
110 David Sharpe OT
117 Cam Sutton CB
118 Elijah Lee LB

For picks 143/146 (heh):

123 George Kittle TE
135 Joshua Dobbs QB
142 Jerod Evans QB
157 Jordan Leggett TE

For pick 161 (OL x 2 again, and Edge):

165 Jessamen Dunker G
180 Keion Adams Edge
184 Johnathan Calvin Edge
185 Corey Levin G

And later rounds (all skill position):

187 Michael Roberts TE
202 Artavis Scott WR
225 Aaron Jones RB
[ Edited by Lobo49er on Apr 20, 2017 at 3:15 PM ]
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