John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
I'm guessing Kittle

Yup, or Leggett later. Massive target.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

I'm guessing Kittle

Yup, or Leggett later. Massive target.

Problem with Leggett is he has a reputation of not giving 100%

Doesn't seem like a Lynch guy

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here is what's left:

65 Nathan Peterman Pittsburgh QB
89 Joshua Dobbs Tennessee QB
95 Chad Hansen Cal WR
100 Nico Siragusa San Diego St G
105 George Kittle Iowa TE
113 David Sharpe Florida OT
119 Cam Sutton Tennessee CB
120 Elijah Lee Kansas St LB
142 Keion Adams Western Michigan DE/OLB
155 Jessamen Dunker Tennessee St G
162 Jerod Evans Virginia Tech QB
166 Jordan Leggett Clemson TE
187 Johnathan Calvin Mississippi St DE/OLB
188 Corey Levin Chattanooga G
190 Michael Roberts Toledo TE
205 Artavis Scott Clemson WR
227 Aaron Jones UTEP RB

This should say: "we're getting 6 of these guys lol."

OK, I'll bite... here's the 6 I predict!

I see Adams as more of a SAM in our new system.

God sometimes I hate being a 49ers fan. The majority of the fan base are always b***hing no matter what happens. Embarrassing.

Wahhhh Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper weren't screaming we got a steal so it's a horrible pick.

Give it a break...

Trading a 7th means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Shanahan was brought in for his abilities to coach offense and evaluate positions on offense for the most part. I'll trust his evaluation.

Come back in 5 years and b***h then if it doesn't work out.

Originally posted by KezarLivin:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here is what's left:

65 Nathan Peterman Pittsburgh QB
89 Joshua Dobbs Tennessee QB
95 Chad Hansen Cal WR
100 Nico Siragusa San Diego St G
105 George Kittle Iowa TE
113 David Sharpe Florida OT
119 Cam Sutton Tennessee CB
120 Elijah Lee Kansas St LB
142 Keion Adams Western Michigan DE/OLB
155 Jessamen Dunker Tennessee St G
162 Jerod Evans Virginia Tech QB
166 Jordan Leggett Clemson TE
187 Johnathan Calvin Mississippi St DE/OLB
188 Corey Levin Chattanooga G
190 Michael Roberts Toledo TE
205 Artavis Scott Clemson WR
227 Aaron Jones UTEP RB

This should say: "we're getting 6 of these guys lol."

OK, I'll bite... here's the 6 I predict!

I see Adams as more of a SAM in our new system.

Nice one...

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
I'm guessing Kittle

Yup, or Leggett later. Massive target.

Problem with Leggett is he has a reputation of not giving 100%

Doesn't seem like a Lynch guy

Good info...maybe that's why he's projected where he is.

Originally posted by genus49:

God sometimes I hate being a 49ers fan. The majority of the fan base are always b***hing no matter what happens. Embarrassing.

Wahhhh Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper weren't screaming we got a steal so it's a horrible pick.

Give it a break...

Trading a 7th means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Shanahan was brought in for his abilities to coach offense and evaluate positions on offense for the most part. I'll trust his evaluation.

Come back in 5 years and b***h then if it doesn't work out.

sorry but picking a day 3 talent at the end of day 2,where we could have got better talent, is questionable, irrespective of the trade.
That one better should pan out. day 2 is for reserved for future solid starters not for clear-cut backups.

Originally posted by communist:

sorry but picking a day 3 talent at the end of day 2,where we could have got better talent, is questionable, irrespective of the trade.
That one better should pan out. day 2 is for reserved for future solid starters not for clear-cut backups.

Go back and look at the cowboys the last few years. A solid backup QB is almost a requirement.

And a backup who can run your whole offense the same way your starter can, that is priceless. And maybe in 3 years they flip him into a 1st or 2nd, after he covers 2-3 games.

If you like your guy, and 3 teams are coming up looking at QBs.

Or here the niners traded a 4th and 7th. You say should have got him in the 5th.

So value wise they spent a 6th and 7th rd pick to make sure they got a QB they liked.

What is the big deal with that.

Originally posted by genus49:
God sometimes I hate being a 49ers fan. The majority of the fan base are always b***hing no matter what happens. Embarrassing.

Well, I think it's okay to voice frustrations. Blindly praising everything the front office does with "well, they're professionals and we're not" isn't much better than the alternative you are complaining about.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here is what's left:

65 Nathan Peterman Pittsburgh QB
89 Joshua Dobbs Tennessee QB
95 Chad Hansen Cal WR
100 Nico Siragusa San Diego St G
105 George Kittle Iowa TE
113 David Sharpe Florida OT
119 Cam Sutton Tennessee CB
120 Elijah Lee Kansas St LB
142 Keion Adams Western Michigan DE/OLB
155 Jessamen Dunker Tennessee St G
162 Jerod Evans Virginia Tech QB
166 Jordan Leggett Clemson TE
187 Johnathan Calvin Mississippi St DE/OLB
188 Corey Levin Chattanooga G
190 Michael Roberts Toledo TE
205 Artavis Scott Clemson WR
227 Aaron Jones UTEP RB

No Butt?

Originally posted by LottOfDefense:

I am betting Siragusa gets the call if available in the 4th. The 9ers had both Witherspoon and Foster in for a visit as well as Siragusa.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

And that is why, when just after kyle hit town, he and lynch got to it, and first thing out of the gate, they sign Hoyer, who kyle has worked with a yr. Couple days later they sign our backup Qb, Barkley. Lynch effectively took the need for a QB out of play and allowed us to build up our OL and DL, fill in the multiple D holes, got a FB, Center, backup OL, WRs,(and schid canned the rest), but not kerley nor Streator....and began to fill in our TNTC holes (too numerous to count). Now we have 2 picks for the front 7, boht starters, and just now a CB. S next? And peterman in here somewhere. The removing QB and backup right off the bat allowed kyle to forget the QB slot and let john and him concentrate on everyone BUT QB. We didn't land a #1 WR, but we got rid of our WR slugs, and replaced them wtih guys who can get open and catch the ball.

These guys got things under control and have done a bang up job . Getting our QBs first thing was key to being able to do so..

No offense Doc but you used to make rationalizations about Baalke and the braintrust. At the end of the day anyone can rationalize anything.

You can't say they've done a bang-up job. All they've done is make decisions, which is their job. Whether those decisions pan out is entirely different. How hilarious if 3/4 of those QBs selected end up being winners.

Awp, my first inclination when looking at a new HC or GM or both, is to give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes it doesn't always work...eg, Donohue(Walsh's pick), and Erickson. Never could warm up to those two picks. But i gave benefit of doubt to Nolan, Singletary, Baalke, Harbaw, chip (for a handful of games), even tomsul(but that lasted no more than thru game 3.). Harbaw I got behind for two yrs and then yr 3, became disenchanted with him, his antics, his NO O, his nuttiness...and was outspoken last 2 yrs here re: his continuing to stay on, when all evidence pointed to a guy who could inherit talent , organize it, but couldn't develop it. So, my thots on him changed drastically. No need to discuss, singletary, tomsul, chip....i gave them benefit of doubt, but in short order , realized they were inadequate. Baalke, same. He was a definite improvement on his predecessor, and with a stack of early round picks for 8 yrs or so, we ended up with an extremely talented team. Unfortunately harbs was HC, and he wasn't ready for the big leagues. He never will be. But when the mass migration occurred, and we lost virtually most of our talent, baalke never recovered. He reached. So i changed my opinion on him also. He was faced with a massive job, but was not up to the challenge. I was not a fan his last 2 yrs here, and said so.

So in summary, I am inclined to give new guys benefit of doubt. It appears you feel the opposite, which is fine. As for the moves made by lynch and kyle, we had the worst run D in hx last yr (slight hyperbole, but definite worst in NFL) , and they addressed that sequentially, from front of D (DL, 2nd best talent in draft), to LB(4th best talent in draft, and best LB) to the D Backfield( tall rangy CB)...thus going front to back on D... DL/LB/DB. I have a hard time seeing why anyone would question that, particularly when our GM and HC spent FA time getting our O in shape so we DIDN'T have to have a QB, WR, RB OL, in our first 3 rds. INstead they could concentrate on D. Which they did. Yes we still need a #1 WR. And will still at FA and draft next yr. Same goes for Qb. Point is john and kyle took a huge whack out of the multiple fails on this team...got rid of all but 2 good WRs, same for QBs, then got a FB(great one), and beefed up the OL with a huge improvement at C with Zuttah. Also, a backup OL in Gilliam.

Now one could say this was bass ackwards, but to me this is just logic...the kind of logic i appreciate. So certainly one could complain about not taking one of the top 4 QBs right off the bat, but you are dealing wth the one best OC in the NFL last yr, with a hx of making great or very good Qbs out of lesser ones. Kyle is a maker or molder of QBs. So if he passed on all the names that have been bandied about, no big deal. He fixed in cement our QB for 2017 by signing not just Hoyer but Barkley to back him up. That decision was made long before draft. It also took creative planning, making big decisions well ahead of time. Makes one think, "Jeez, these two are thinking way ahead of everyone else". Also kyle knows QB talent. I assume he didn't care for the top 7 QBs we all knew of.

It also seems to make it much more likely there is some gentleman's agreement that Cousins comes here next yr. When kyle passed on Peterman and took Beathard, it became obvious , at least to me, he has his QB for this yr and ended up taking a QB i have never seen play...and didn't even know his name. That just makes the point that we are already on track to go an entirely different direction at QB next yr, and Cousins sure looks like the lead guy. Yes, i could be wrong. The first three picks i could easily defend all day. Beathard, i flat out don't know, so assume we will find out the "why" somewhere down the road. Jumping up for him? I can only guess kyle knows something about this young guy none of the rest of us do. The fact he rarely if ever got mentioned? Well, i just don't know that much about unheralded players. Way too early to call it a "bad pick" or "wrong". To me, i am really curious to find out the "why" of the pick and assume we will find out in due time.

One thing i will bet on tho. And that is he makes quick reads, goes thru his progressions well, has a quick set up, is accurate, stays in the pocket in the face of fierce passrush, is a natural leader, and loves to study tape. Probably a couple other things too, but bet those are all Beathard's traits.

So sure, no reason fans can't complain if a pick seems to them a bad idea. Same goes for the picks 1-3. But i see real talent and leadership in the first two picks and good athleticism and talent in 3rd pick. It's fine for one to have a different opinion. My reaction is that there was reasoning for all picks and as far as Beathard, i am curious to see what will come of that pick. As for passing on all available QBs, i can only guess they were not to Kyle's liking, and that included peterman. It also appears that any kudos mentioned about the guys we picked were kept to an absolute minimum. IF you don't like it, that's fine. EVeryone has his opinion. But that doesn't make the rest of us wrong. We just have different opinions, and my tendency is to assume guys at the top know way more than a putz like me. So i go with what they have spent days, weeks, hours going over. There is no question to date that these two guys do have a plan.

They have a terrific plan, have their QB and backup locked up, a true raw talent development Qb, and one helluva improved D to stop the run. As for Qb next yr, that is when they will fill their need, unless we happen to get Cousins still later this spring. No way i can fault that plan knowing one millionth the facts that kyle and john have at hand. If we walked away now, this is an incredibly successful first draft for these guys. And we got what, 5-6 picks to go? I think based on moves to date, startng wth FA, these two guys have an incredible grip on the talent of players out there and know who is easily better than what we have at present.

So sure, call me a homer. Proud of it. But when a HC or GM proves himself incapable...then i will say so. And baalke fit that mold his last two yrs here.

Remember...this is yr 1 of a 6 yr development plan. Helluva start by my reckoning.

mike freeman‏ @mikefreemanNFL

GM to me on John Lynch: "I thought he'd suck. I was wrong."

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by genus49:

God sometimes I hate being a 49ers fan. The majority of the fan base are always b***hing no matter what happens. Embarrassing.

Wahhhh Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper weren't screaming we got a steal so it's a horrible pick.

Give it a break...

Trading a 7th means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Shanahan was brought in for his abilities to coach offense and evaluate positions on offense for the most part. I'll trust his evaluation.

Come back in 5 years and b***h then if it doesn't work out.

sorry but picking a day 3 talent at the end of day 2,where we could have got better talent, is questionable, irrespective of the trade.
That one better should pan out. day 2 is for reserved for future solid starters not for clear-cut backups.

Lol, so hard core communist.

5 picks. We moved up 5 picks. So, because we moved up 5 picks, which cost us a Whole 7th rounder, the expectations on CJ go from "it's okay if he develops into a backup" all the way to " he better start, day 2 guys are starters, he better!!!"

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Lol, so hard core communist.

5 picks. We moved up 5 picks. So, because we moved up 5 picks, which cost us a Whole 7th rounder, the expectations on CJ go from "it's okay if he develops into a backup" all the way to " he better start, day 2 guys are starters, he better!!!"

you don't get it, do you? we could have drafted any non-qb prospect, either with our original 4th or with that one. yet, we picked a qb backup if at all.

it's interesting how many ppl rave about this pick because Shanahan is the qb whisperer but last year many guys hated on Baalke because he picked Driskel late.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by LottOfDefense:

I am betting Siragusa gets the call if available in the 4th. The 9ers had both Witherspoon and Foster in for a visit as well as Siragusa.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

And that is why, when just after kyle hit town, he and lynch got to it, and first thing out of the gate, they sign Hoyer, who kyle has worked with a yr. Couple days later they sign our backup Qb, Barkley. Lynch effectively took the need for a QB out of play and allowed us to build up our OL and DL, fill in the multiple D holes, got a FB, Center, backup OL, WRs,(and schid canned the rest), but not kerley nor Streator....and began to fill in our TNTC holes (too numerous to count). Now we have 2 picks for the front 7, boht starters, and just now a CB. S next? And peterman in here somewhere. The removing QB and backup right off the bat allowed kyle to forget the QB slot and let john and him concentrate on everyone BUT QB. We didn't land a #1 WR, but we got rid of our WR slugs, and replaced them wtih guys who can get open and catch the ball.

These guys got things under control and have done a bang up job . Getting our QBs first thing was key to being able to do so..

No offense Doc but you used to make rationalizations about Baalke and the braintrust. At the end of the day anyone can rationalize anything.

You can't say they've done a bang-up job. All they've done is make decisions, which is their job. Whether those decisions pan out is entirely different. How hilarious if 3/4 of those QBs selected end up being winners.

Awp, my first inclination when looking at a new HC or GM or both, is to give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes it doesn't always work...eg, Donohue(Walsh's pick), and Erickson. Never could warm up to those two picks. But i gave benefit of doubt to Nolan, Singletary, Baalke, Harbaw, chip (for a handful of games), even tomsul(but that lasted no more than thru game 3.). Harbaw I got behind for two yrs and then yr 3, became disenchanted with him, his antics, his NO O, his nuttiness...and was outspoken last 2 yrs here re: his continuing to stay on, when all evidence pointed to a guy who could inherit talent , organize it, but couldn't develop it. So, my thots on him changed drastically. No need to discuss, singletary, tomsul, chip....i gave them benefit of doubt, but in short order , realized they were inadequate. Baalke, same. He was a definite improvement on his predecessor, and with a stack of early round picks for 8 yrs or so, we ended up with an extremely talented team. Unfortunately harbs was HC, and he wasn't ready for the big leagues. He never will be. But when the mass migration occurred, and we lost virtually most of our talent, baalke never recovered. He reached. So i changed my opinion on him also. He was faced with a massive job, but was not up to the challenge. I was not a fan his last 2 yrs here, and said so.

So in summary, I am inclined to give new guys benefit of doubt. It appears you feel the opposite, which is fine. As for the moves made by lynch and kyle, we had the worst run D in hx last yr (slight hyperbole, but definite worst in NFL) , and they addressed that sequentially, from front of D (DL, 2nd best talent in draft), to LB(4th best talent in draft, and best LB) to the D Backfield( tall rangy CB)...thus going front to back on D... DL/LB/DB. I have a hard time seeing why anyone would question that, particularly when our GM and HC spent FA time getting our O in shape so we DIDN'T have to have a QB, WR, RB OL, in our first 3 rds. INstead they could concentrate on D. Which they did. Yes we still need a #1 WR. And will still at FA and draft next yr. Same goes for Qb. Point is john and kyle took a huge whack out of the multiple fails on this team...got rid of all but 2 good WRs, same for QBs, then got a FB(great one), and beefed up the OL with a huge improvement at C with Zuttah. Also, a backup OL in Gilliam.

Now one could say this was bass ackwards, but to me this is just logic...the kind of logic i appreciate. So certainly one could complain about not taking one of the top 4 QBs right off the bat, but you are dealing wth the one best OC in the NFL last yr, with a hx of making great or very good Qbs out of lesser ones. Kyle is a maker or molder of QBs. So if he passed on all the names that have been bandied about, no big deal. He fixed in cement our QB for 2017 by signing not just Hoyer but Barkley to back him up. That decision was made long before draft. It also took creative planning, making big decisions well ahead of time. Makes one think, "Jeez, these two are thinking way ahead of everyone else". Also kyle knows QB talent. I assume he didn't care for the top 7 QBs we all knew of.

It also seems to make it much more likely there is some gentleman's agreement that Cousins comes here next yr. When kyle passed on Peterman and took Beathard, it became obvious , at least to me, he has his QB for this yr and ended up taking a QB i have never seen play...and didn't even know his name. That just makes the point that we are already on track to go an entirely different direction at QB next yr, and Cousins sure looks like the lead guy. Yes, i could be wrong. The first three picks i could easily defend all day. Beathard, i flat out don't know, so assume we will find out the "why" somewhere down the road. Jumping up for him? I can only guess kyle knows something about this young guy none of the rest of us do. The fact he rarely if ever got mentioned? Well, i just don't know that much about unheralded players. Way too early to call it a "bad pick" or "wrong". To me, i am really curious to find out the "why" of the pick and assume we will find out in due time.

One thing i will bet on tho. And that is he makes quick reads, goes thru his progressions well, has a quick set up, is accurate, stays in the pocket in the face of fierce passrush, is a natural leader, and loves to study tape. Probably a couple other things too, but bet those are all Beathard's traits.

So sure, no reason fans can't complain if a pick seems to them a bad idea. Same goes for the picks 1-3. But i see real talent and leadership in the first two picks and good athleticism and talent in 3rd pick. It's fine for one to have a different opinion. My reaction is that there was reasoning for all picks and as far as Beathard, i am curious to see what will come of that pick. As for passing on all available QBs, i can only guess they were not to Kyle's liking, and that included peterman. It also appears that any kudos mentioned about the guys we picked were kept to an absolute minimum. IF you don't like it, that's fine. EVeryone has his opinion. But that doesn't make the rest of us wrong. We just have different opinions, and my tendency is to assume guys at the top know way more than a putz like me. So i go with what they have spent days, weeks, hours going over. There is no question to date that these two guys do have a plan.

They have a terrific plan, have their QB and backup locked up, a true raw talent development Qb, and one helluva improved D to stop the run. As for Qb next yr, that is when they will fill their need, unless we happen to get Cousins still later this spring. No way i can fault that plan knowing one millionth the facts that kyle and john have at hand. If we walked away now, this is an incredibly successful first draft for these guys. And we got what, 5-6 picks to go? I think based on moves to date, startng wth FA, these two guys have an incredible grip on the talent of players out there and know who is easily better than what we have at present.

So sure, call me a homer. Proud of it. But when a HC or GM proves himself incapable...then i will say so. And baalke fit that mold his last two yrs here.

Remember...this is yr 1 of a 6 yr development plan. Helluva start by my reckoning.

Good post.