John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk how I feel about us having the oldest draft class in the nfl.

in a way, I guess it means these guys should be more ready to contribute now. In an effort to win now.

ultimately, not many players across the league last 6+ years with a team in general. Most of our guys (Pearsall, this whole draft etc). Will be pushing 30 when their contract is up. So IMO, if we resign them, it'll be more a short term contract. Which can cause salary cap issuses.

hopefully it results in a SB but it'll be interesting to folllw

Even stars who get drafted rarely last more than 7 years on their original team. Look at Deebo, Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill, etc.

Even if everybody in the Niners draft class is a star - it's very unlikely they'd make it past year 7 even if they were still producing. Team needs change, players want new scenery, etc.

Really the only exception are star QBs, for the obvious reasons.

Drafted age of 24 or 25 means nothing in practical terms.

Agree, and I'll just add that injuries will - unfortunately - cut a talented players career short. Kinlaw and Drake's careers with the 49ers were cut short by injuries. They were already marginal players in a sense, and the loss of development time due to rehab and loss of strength/mobility/explosiveness due to injury will - unfortunately - cut a players career much shorter than if no injury.

There are many rerasons why draft picks don't pan out. Injuries early in camp is a major one. They lose valuable time with their position coaches and struggle to catch up. Recurring injuries like we've seen with Pearsall that keep them from staying on the field. Sometimes they just can't handle the better competition. Being forced into a starting roll too soon has ruined some players. Especially QBs. Off field issues are fairly common. Sometimes they end up just not being a good fit.

Any single one of these issues can derail a career. None of them cn be predicted by the GM and HC when they draft these guys.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol yeah, the team isn't only looking at highlight tape and selecting them off of that. Kyle essentially said that if their best plays aren't enticing, why watch anything else.

if that's the norm in the nfl - that kinda explains why a lot of guys come out of no where later in the draft. Kittle is a perfect example, all his best plays in college were blocking because of the system he played in. He rarely was thrown to.

Theres a ton of talented dudes who are under used in college or used out of place. Or just bad coaching. Like Hufunga - his college defensive coaching was absolute trash. So he was really an all pro talent but poorly used and it crashed his draft position.

the other thing is that there's only so many dudes who can do great in any system. Most guys more fit schemes and do well but they get drafted to a bad team or a scheme that doesn't fit.

this stuff and tons of other variables make
tbe draft a crap shoot

Did you pull that one out from where the sun don't shine?

Huff was the PAC-12 defensive player of the year and a consensus first team all American. Lead USC in tackles, interceptions, and forced fumbles. If he can do that with what you considered absolute trash college defensive coaching than I wonder what he would've done with just average coaching; you'd have been a bigger fan of his than me, and everyone knows how big a fan of Huff I was and still am. Don't get my boy NY started; he's asked me numerous times if I were his cousin lol.

He was not used poorly; what made him slip was people getting caught up in 40 times and some injury concern. The tape did all the talking; it was very very easy to see that he would work and outperform his draft slot. But what do I know; I'm just a fan who isn't an NFL coach or work in a front office, so that makes me know nothing about football

lol if it was so obvious he would be a good nfl player, specifically an all pro, the entire league wouldn't of let him make it to the fifth round. He was projected as a special teams player. His defensive coordinator wasn't retained. His entire defense during his tenure was one of the worst by any big program in the country.

2020 was only 6 games and it was a super weird time for sports. A lot of players in college and pros said it was super weird playing games the way they were. PAC12 was such a POS that any good program left. For like a decade straight that entire conference was bottom of the barrel. I watch USC football. I grew up on it. Lol

USC defense was a disaster. It really still is.

Dude all I said was that it was obvious that he would work and outperform his draft stock, not be a good NFL and all-pro player. I won't speak for the entire league; so it was obvious to me, and I said such the day he was drafted when so many people were calling him a bust and reach and wasted draft pick etc etc

And again; he slipped to the fifth round due to his 40 time and injury concerns. Not because of his tape that consisted of more than that 2020 season.

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

Maybe because the Ravens draft starters and players that will make an impact, while Kyle and John draft players that won't see the field for 1-3 years...if ever...while having gaping holes in the starting lineup?

I find it funny how people accuse others of being numbnuts or wanna-be Mel Kipers, while defending Kyle and John...when Kyle comes out and admits he just watches highlight reels and John admits they don't have a clue what other teams might do that will affect the draft around them.

That's the kind of intellectually dishonest argumentation typical in those numb of nuts.

A) video packages prepared by scouts are not "highlight reels." And the amount of prep that goes into each pick incorporates a ton of discussion, collaboration, meetings, etc. I get why you want to make Kyle look like a lazy idiot, but I'm not dumb and I see through your b******t, and if you actually believe that b******t, then you have bigger problem to worry about.

B) Yeah, teams don't know each others' draft boards. Kyle told Eisen that they hear whispers and know what kind of players certain teams tend to go for, but at the end of the day, teams tend to keep their picks closely guarded since you know this is a multi-billion dollar league built on exploiting any competitive advantage.

This.

The guy with random letters and numbers talking out of his ass.

If you think 4216 are "random numbers" on a 49ers board, it shows what a recent casual fan you are. Not surprising from someone glazing over Gore. But just so you know, this team used to win Super Bowls. A lot. So older fans want more than just going to the playoffs. Participation trophies just don't mean as much to some of us. And as far as "talking out my ass", I've been picking better drafts since 2000 when I first started tracking. I called for us to draft Brian Urlacher in the 1st that year. Oh...you probably don't know...he was defensive rookie of the year...8 time pro bowler...4 time all pro...and Hall Of Famer.

My bad, based on your posts I didn't think you knew who Joe and Lott are. Figured you just hit your head on the keyboard and went with whatever username popped up.

Wow! You had Urlacher going high? I'm so impressed. Nobody saw that coming. You should definitely be running our draft. 1 obvious pick in 30 years is amazing.

Originally posted by RDB4216:
If you think 4216 are "random numbers" on a 49ers board, it shows what a recent casual fan you are. Not surprising from someone glazing over Gore. But just so you know, this team used to win Super Bowls. A lot. So older fans want more than just going to the playoffs. Participation trophies just don't mean as much to some of us. And as far as "talking out my ass", I've been picking better drafts since 2000 when I first started tracking. I called for us to draft Brian Urlacher in the 1st that year. Oh...you probably don't know...he was defensive rookie of the year...8 time pro bowler...4 time all pro...and Hall Of Famer.

see below

Originally posted by English:
This thread is getting a little bit narky. Let's try to make it a little bit more pleasant here.

It's pretty painful looking at previous threads sometimes..

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

names I've got that I'd love to land that are still on the board:

IOL Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
IOL Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater

After watching Quinn at the Senior Bowl:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

This guy looks like an absolute monster in drills. Like, I like Brunskill and all, and don't have anything against McKivitz, but I've never really seen anything like this from them on tape. To be fair, Brunskill has flashed some moments, but he sometimes takes a sec to gather himself after the initial punch before setting his feet.

I want Creed Humphrey and I want this guy. PLEASE LYNCH. GET US REAL HELP ON THE INTERIOR. I'M BEGGING YOU.

Quinn and Humphrey both became All Pros and we went with Aaron Banks.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It's pretty painful looking at previous threads sometimes..

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
names I've got that I'd love to land that are still on the board:

IOL Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
IOL Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater

You had a bunch of names listed, lol...

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Just a few names I've got that I'd love to land that are still on the board:

IOL Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
IOL Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater
IOL Wyatt Davis, Ohio State
IOL Kendrick Green, Illinois
IOL Josh Myers, Ohio State

TE Brevin Jordan, Miami

OT Dillon Radunz, North Dakota St
OT Brady Christensen, BYU

WR Elijah Moore, Mississippi
WR Rondale Moore, Purdue
WR Dwayne Eskridge, Western Michigan

DE/LB Aziz Ojulari, Georgia

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/195165-day-two-wishlist/

And they did ultimately go with IOL with Banks. Now I'm having flashbacks to the Rondale Moore hype train.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It's pretty painful looking at previous threads sometimes..

After watching Quinn at the Senior Bowl:

Quinn and Humphrey both became All Pros and we went with Aaron Banks.

Agree, the 49ers missed out on those two players. But keep in mind one player went to a team who's HC was an offensive lineman, and the other went to a scheme that operated a gap-power scheme (for the most part). We also signed Alex Mack that year with Brendel being the heir Apparent to the center position. In addition the 49ers 2021 draft was affected by covid and their major overriding concern to find a QB to replace Jimmy.

Those two developed into good players, for sure. No doubt about it. That draft had 3 hits out of 8 centers drafted and 2 hits out of 13 drafted guards.

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

Maybe because the Ravens draft starters and players that will make an impact, while Kyle and John draft players that won't see the field for 1-3 years...if ever...while having gaping holes in the starting lineup?

I find it funny how people accuse others of being numbnuts or wanna-be Mel Kipers, while defending Kyle and John...when Kyle comes out and admits he just watches highlight reels and John admits they don't have a clue what other teams might do that will affect the draft around them.

That's the kind of intellectually dishonest argumentation typical in those numb of nuts.

A) video packages prepared by scouts are not "highlight reels." And the amount of prep that goes into each pick incorporates a ton of discussion, collaboration, meetings, etc. I get why you want to make Kyle look like a lazy idiot, but I'm not dumb and I see through your b******t, and if you actually believe that b******t, then you have bigger problem to worry about.

B) Yeah, teams don't know each others' draft boards. Kyle told Eisen that they hear whispers and know what kind of players certain teams tend to go for, but at the end of the day, teams tend to keep their picks closely guarded since you know this is a multi-billion dollar league built on exploiting any competitive advantage.

Kyle literally calls them "Highlight tapes" multiple times. But apparently you know more about what he watches than he does!

My gosh people are we really having these conversations? Do you really think Kyle is fed youtube videos with hype soundtracks behind them?

They're clearly cutups of the best plays/skills the scouts believe that player has. That most certainly includes the non sexy plays like blocking. Running routes even when the ball isn't coming your way, etc.

The point is simple. Scouts show what they think is the best this kid has to show and then Kyle digs into the rest of their tape if the so called best looks good enough. It's a strategy likely every team uses when their HC has a lot of input on the draft. If you're expecting your HC to grind tape on every prospect then you're not getting a very good HC.

Some of you are so eager to trash this regime that you completely turn off your logic.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It's pretty painful looking at previous threads sometimes..

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
names I've got that I'd love to land that are still on the board:

IOL Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
IOL Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater

After watching Quinn at the Senior Bowl:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
This guy looks like an absolute monster in drills. Like, I like Brunskill and all, and don't have anything against McKivitz, but I've never really seen anything like this from them on tape. To be fair, Brunskill has flashed some moments, but he sometimes takes a sec to gather himself after the initial punch before setting his feet.

I want Creed Humphrey and I want this guy. PLEASE LYNCH. GET US REAL HELP ON THE INTERIOR. I'M BEGGING YOU.

Quinn and Humphrey both became All Pros and we went with Aaron Banks.

I would love to re-run that draft without the Lance selection at the top(honestly without the trade up too) I think that pick led us drafting guys like Banks, Sermon and Gray and boy did it backfire.

Originally posted by Typecast:

You had a bunch of names listed, lol...

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Just a few names I've got that I'd love to land that are still on the board:

IOL Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
IOL Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater
IOL Wyatt Davis, Ohio State
IOL Kendrick Green, Illinois
IOL Josh Myers, Ohio State

TE Brevin Jordan, Miami

OT Dillon Radunz, North Dakota St
OT Brady Christensen, BYU

WR Elijah Moore, Mississippi
WR Rondale Moore, Purdue
WR Dwayne Eskridge, Western Michigan

DE/LB Aziz Ojulari, Georgia

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/195165-day-two-wishlist/

And they did ultimately go with IOL with Banks. Now I'm having flashbacks to the Rondale Moore hype train.

Dillon Radunz also became a starter at Guard SMH. But Humphrey and Quinn Meinerz were by far the guys I was pounding the table for the most.

If they rely on Forester and scouts so much for players, they need to overhaul the OL scouting group or bring in a consultant. Freaking Brad Graham would be better than anyone on staff right now. We've passed on every OL prospect I've ever wanted for years, except Puni. So many guys I was hoping for this year.. Logan Jones, Jalen Farmer, Rutledge were particular faves.

Oh well.. Maybe next year..

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It's pretty painful looking at previous threads sometimes..

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
names I've got that I'd love to land that are still on the board:

IOL Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
IOL Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater

You had a bunch of names listed, lol...

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Just a few names I've got that I'd love to land that are still on the board:

IOL Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
IOL Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater
IOL Wyatt Davis, Ohio State
IOL Kendrick Green, Illinois
IOL Josh Myers, Ohio State

TE Brevin Jordan, Miami

OT Dillon Radunz, North Dakota St
OT Brady Christensen, BYU

WR Elijah Moore, Mississippi
WR Rondale Moore, Purdue
WR Dwayne Eskridge, Western Michigan

DE/LB Aziz Ojulari, Georgia

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/195165-day-two-wishlist/

And they did ultimately go with IOL with Banks. Now I'm having flashbacks to the Rondale Moore hype train.

That's a funny receipt you pulled there lol

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Dillon Radunz also became a starter at Guard SMH. But Humphrey and Quinn Meinerz were by far the guys I was pounding the table for the most.

If they rely on Forester and scouts so much for players, they need to overhaul the OL scouting group or bring in a consultant. Freaking Brad Graham would be better than anyone on staff right now. We've passed on every OL prospect I've ever wanted for years, except Puni. So many guys I was hoping for this year.. Logan Jones, Jalen Farmer, Rutledge were particular faves.

Oh well.. Maybe next year..

The trouble with consensus, as Lynch puts it, is that they get input from everybody. And on one side you got Forrester who doesn't want any early picks on the OL. He is convinced he can make it work with UDFAs and late round picks. And on the other side you got Koucerek who bangs the table for his guys in the early rounds. This is how you end up with Kinlaw over Wirfs, for example.
I don't think consensus works.

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
The trouble with consensus, as Lynch puts it, is that they get input from everybody. And on one side you got Forrester who doesn't want any early picks on the OL. He is convinced he can make it work with UDFAs and late round picks. And on the other side you got Koucerek who bangs the table for his guys in the early rounds. This is how you end up with Kinlaw over Wirfs, for example.
I don't think consensus works.

But this doesn't explain how they missed on Humphrey when they selected Banks. I think what happened there is they earmarked Banks for the 3rd, and when they didn't get the guy they wanted, they reached for the same position early. Probably a gold helmet guy and they can't process what to do when someone like Humphrey drops. They didn't plan for it. Problem with Niners draft strategy is that they focus so much on their gold helmet guys, and essentially get hyper focused on drafting one of the two or three they have for each round. A better approach might be to remove the blacklisted players and cast a wider net. Then they won't get so anxious about having to draft their guys. So when they miss out on one, they reach for the next.
One could apply the same theory this year. Probably wanted Conception or Lawrence, lost him, and rather than pick best player available they traded back and picked the next gold helmet who they had for the 2nd round. When the Niners trade back, which isn't often, it's rather telling. They almost always reach when they pick next.

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Dillon Radunz also became a starter at Guard SMH. But Humphrey and Quinn Meinerz were by far the guys I was pounding the table for the most.

If they rely on Forester and scouts so much for players, they need to overhaul the OL scouting group or bring in a consultant. Freaking Brad Graham would be better than anyone on staff right now. We've passed on every OL prospect I've ever wanted for years, except Puni. So many guys I was hoping for this year.. Logan Jones, Jalen Farmer, Rutledge were particular faves.

Oh well.. Maybe next year..

The trouble with consensus, as Lynch puts it, is that they get input from everybody. And on one side you got Forrester who doesn't want any early picks on the OL. He is convinced he can make it work with UDFAs and late round picks. And on the other side you got Koucerek who bangs the table for his guys in the early rounds. This is how you end up with Kinlaw over Wirfs, for example.
I don't think consensus works.

100% agree

I've been in plenty of team environments before

You can't just let the noisy people get what they want...sometimes leadership is telling people no

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
The trouble with consensus, as Lynch puts it, is that they get input from everybody. And on one side you got Forrester who doesn't want any early picks on the OL. He is convinced he can make it work with UDFAs and late round picks. And on the other side you got Koucerek who bangs the table for his guys in the early rounds. This is how you end up with Kinlaw over Wirfs, for example.
I don't think consensus works.

But this doesn't explain how they missed on Humphrey when they selected Banks. I think what happened there is they earmarked Banks for the 3rd, and when they didn't get the guy they wanted, they reached for the same position early. Probably a gold helmet guy and they can't process what to do when someone like Humphrey drops. They didn't plan for it. Problem with Niners draft strategy is that they focus so much on their gold helmet guys, and essentially get hyper focused on drafting one of the two or three they have for each round. A better approach might be to remove the blacklisted players and cast a wider net. Then they won't get so anxious about having to draft their guys. So when they miss out on one, they reach for the next.
One could apply the same theory this year. Probably wanted Conception or Lawrence, lost him, and rather than pick best player available they traded back and picked the next gold helmet who they had for the 2nd round. When the Niners trade back, which isn't often, it's rather telling. They almost always reach when they pick next.

The 49ers have become risk averse to injury history in their draft picks.

If I had to bet I would say they either penalized his draft grade or completely removed him for his knee injury at the time