John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Once again I didn't like that they paid only a little investment into the O-line position. Something that got the 9ers kicked outta the playoffs. Pretty much putting out the same O-line as last season.

What would you have done differently? Who would you have paid, and what FAs would you have not signed in order to pay a G or C. I understand the frustration, but we had so many needs across the roster, so I guess what was the more ideal path?

I would've given Alijah Vera-Tucker that contract he got. I would've signed Wyatt Teller or Braden Smith who can play both Guard or Tackle in a pinch. They continue to spend chump change on the O-line and expect premium results.

So you sign Vera-Tucker over Evans? Assuming Vera-Tucker would want to sign here, which is not a given.

It's hard to take these arguments seriously when you're not looking at the roster moves thus far holistically. We've improved in areas of serious need. We're going to have question marks like every other team. We still have a draft to help bring in competition. I fail to see the dour mood with some of you guys considering the haul of players we brought in on reasonable contracts.

And how did you know Nate Hobbs, Vederian Lowe or Brett Toth wanted to sign here? Again you asked what I would've done differently and I would've put more money into the O-line than they did so far.

I asked which players we signed that you would have not signed and instead allocated towards oline instead. It's a simple question. We don't have infinite money at our disposal, so which players would you have not signed in order to sign Vera-Tucker for example?

I think it's a bit of a fallacy to tell people they have to be armchair GMs as good as the pros just because they're dissatisfied with the results on the field. I don't tell the chef how to source ingredients and cook meals when I go to a restaurant, I just evaluate the quality of the food. We're consumers of a product, and I think the premise of this question is flawed.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Once again I didn't like that they paid only a little investment into the O-line position. Something that got the 9ers kicked outta the playoffs. Pretty much putting out the same O-line as last season.

What would you have done differently? Who would you have paid, and what FAs would you have not signed in order to pay a G or C. I understand the frustration, but we had so many needs across the roster, so I guess what was the more ideal path?

I would've given Alijah Vera-Tucker that contract he got. I would've signed Wyatt Teller or Braden Smith who can play both Guard or Tackle in a pinch. They continue to spend chump change on the O-line and expect premium results.

I agree with your moves, i would have made at least one of those moves too but i don't think they expect premium results like you said. We do as fans who think the game is built in the trenches but that's not Kyle's philosophy.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Once again I didn't like that they paid only a little investment into the O-line position. Something that got the 9ers kicked outta the playoffs. Pretty much putting out the same O-line as last season.

What would you have done differently? Who would you have paid, and what FAs would you have not signed in order to pay a G or C. I understand the frustration, but we had so many needs across the roster, so I guess what was the more ideal path?

I would've given Alijah Vera-Tucker that contract he got. I would've signed Wyatt Teller or Braden Smith who can play both Guard or Tackle in a pinch. They continue to spend chump change on the O-line and expect premium results.

I agree with your moves, i would have made at least one of those moves too but i don't think they expect premium results like you said. We do as fans who think the game is built in the trenches but that's not Kyle's philosophy.

I was kind of exaggerating a little when I said "Premium" results but just tired of seeing them throwing a bunch cheap options on the O-line for competition then choosing the best outta the bunch to start.

Any idea why the mock drafts that have the 49ers selecting a "clean edge rusher" absolutely ignore the addition of Mykel Williams last season? I mean, I know he did suffer a knee injury. But so did Bosa. The mock drafts all mention Bosa. But not Mykel. Do these mockers even study teams?

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Any idea why the mock drafts that have the 49ers selecting a "clean edge rusher" absolutely ignore the addition of Mykel Williams last season? I mean, I know he did suffer a knee injury. But so did Bosa. The mock drafts all mention Bosa. But not Mykel. Do these mockers even study teams?

i think its because we got no pressure and sacks last year. Even if we have both we do still need a but more depth and we can use a rotation. I agre it isnt a "round 1 need" but getting one wouldnt be a bad pick

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Any idea why the mock drafts that have the 49ers selecting a "clean edge rusher" absolutely ignore the addition of Mykel Williams last season? I mean, I know he did suffer a knee injury. But so did Bosa. The mock drafts all mention Bosa. But not Mykel. Do these mockers even study teams?

because the 49ers had the worst pass rush in the NFL last season, and nobody expects Mykel to get after the QB from the edge. The plan was always for him to do it from the inside, so there is a huge hole to fill at edge.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Once again I didn't like that they paid only a little investment into the O-line position. Something that got the 9ers kicked outta the playoffs. Pretty much putting out the same O-line as last season.

What would you have done differently? Who would you have paid, and what FAs would you have not signed in order to pay a G or C. I understand the frustration, but we had so many needs across the roster, so I guess what was the more ideal path?

I would've given Alijah Vera-Tucker that contract he got. I would've signed Wyatt Teller or Braden Smith who can play both Guard or Tackle in a pinch. They continue to spend chump change on the O-line and expect premium results.

So you sign Vera-Tucker over Evans? Assuming Vera-Tucker would want to sign here, which is not a given.

It's hard to take these arguments seriously when you're not looking at the roster moves thus far holistically. We've improved in areas of serious need. We're going to have question marks like every other team. We still have a draft to help bring in competition. I fail to see the dour mood with some of you guys considering the haul of players we brought in on reasonable contracts.

And how did you know Nate Hobbs, Vederian Lowe or Brett Toth wanted to sign here? Again you asked what I would've done differently and I would've put more money into the O-line than they did so far.

I asked which players we signed that you would have not signed and instead allocated towards oline instead. It's a simple question. We don't have infinite money at our disposal, so which players would you have not signed in order to sign Vera-Tucker for example?

I think it's a bit of a fallacy to tell people they have to be armchair GMs as good as the pros just because they're dissatisfied with the results on the field. I don't tell the chef how to source ingredients and cook meals when I go to a restaurant, I just evaluate the quality of the food. We're consumers of a product, and I think the premise of this question is flawed.

Horses**t, it's a fair question. When you're rubbing your off-season crystal ball, you don't get to rail against decisions on one hand, then don't tell us which decisions would have been better. That's called having your cake and eating it too.

Otherwise, we might just sit back and patiently wait to see how these decisions play out before jumping off bridges. That's my point.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Any idea why the mock drafts that have the 49ers selecting a "clean edge rusher" absolutely ignore the addition of Mykel Williams last season? I mean, I know he did suffer a knee injury. But so did Bosa. The mock drafts all mention Bosa. But not Mykel. Do these mockers even study teams?

because the 49ers had the worst pass rush in the NFL last season, and nobody expects Mykel to get after the QB from the edge. The plan was always for him to do it from the inside, so there is a huge hole to fill at edge.

I agree with you on the bold. But wasn't that more due to injuries? Bosa, gone in Week 3. Warner, Week 6. Williams, Week 9. I honestly do not know. Which is why I pose the question. Does the line really need another edge rusher? Or did the 49ers just suffer a run of rotten luck last season? I honestly do not know enough about the intracacies of the game to really answer that question.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Once again I didn't like that they paid only a little investment into the O-line position. Something that got the 9ers kicked outta the playoffs. Pretty much putting out the same O-line as last season.

What would you have done differently? Who would you have paid, and what FAs would you have not signed in order to pay a G or C. I understand the frustration, but we had so many needs across the roster, so I guess what was the more ideal path?

I would've given Alijah Vera-Tucker that contract he got. I would've signed Wyatt Teller or Braden Smith who can play both Guard or Tackle in a pinch. They continue to spend chump change on the O-line and expect premium results.

So you sign Vera-Tucker over Evans? Assuming Vera-Tucker would want to sign here, which is not a given.

It's hard to take these arguments seriously when you're not looking at the roster moves thus far holistically. We've improved in areas of serious need. We're going to have question marks like every other team. We still have a draft to help bring in competition. I fail to see the dour mood with some of you guys considering the haul of players we brought in on reasonable contracts.

And how did you know Nate Hobbs, Vederian Lowe or Brett Toth wanted to sign here? Again you asked what I would've done differently and I would've put more money into the O-line than they did so far.

I asked which players we signed that you would have not signed and instead allocated towards oline instead. It's a simple question. We don't have infinite money at our disposal, so which players would you have not signed in order to sign Vera-Tucker for example?

I think it's a bit of a fallacy to tell people they have to be armchair GMs as good as the pros just because they're dissatisfied with the results on the field. I don't tell the chef how to source ingredients and cook meals when I go to a restaurant, I just evaluate the quality of the food. We're consumers of a product, and I think the premise of this question is flawed.

Horses**t, it's a fair question. When you're rubbing your off-season crystal ball, you don't get to rail against decisions on one hand, then don't tell us which decisions would have been better. That's called having your cake and eating it too.

Otherwise, we might just sit back and patiently wait to see how these decisions play out before jumping off bridges. That's my point.

Woosah buddy. The original complaint was about the general lack of attention to OL, which is a fair complaint across a number of seasons. Trying to corner someone into doing the GM's job better than him strikes me as somewhat disingenuous.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I agree with you on the bold. But wasn't that more due to injuries? Bosa, gone in Week 3. Warner, Week 6. Williams, Week 9. I honestly do not know. Which is why I pose the question. Does the line really need another edge rusher? Or did the 49ers just suffer a run of rotten luck last season? I honestly do not know enough about the intracacies of the game to really answer that question.

For sure, injuries killed the 49ers pass rush. The pass rush was good before had Bosa went out with YGM and Mykel inside and Huff coming off the edge. Bosa and Mykel will be back; Osa is a big addition inside; But they lost Bryce Huff, who was their designated pass rusher off the edge. They need to replace that role.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For sure, injuries killed the 49ers pass rush. The pass rush was good before when they had Bosa went out with YGM and Mykel inside and Huff coming off the edge. Bosa and Mykel will be back; Osa is a big addition inside; But they lost Bryce Huff, who was their designated pass rusher off the edge. They need to replace that role.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Once again I didn't like that they paid only a little investment into the O-line position. Something that got the 9ers kicked outta the playoffs. Pretty much putting out the same O-line as last season.

What would you have done differently? Who would you have paid, and what FAs would you have not signed in order to pay a G or C. I understand the frustration, but we had so many needs across the roster, so I guess what was the more ideal path?

I would've given Alijah Vera-Tucker that contract he got. I would've signed Wyatt Teller or Braden Smith who can play both Guard or Tackle in a pinch. They continue to spend chump change on the O-line and expect premium results.

So you sign Vera-Tucker over Evans? Assuming Vera-Tucker would want to sign here, which is not a given.

It's hard to take these arguments seriously when you're not looking at the roster moves thus far holistically. We've improved in areas of serious need. We're going to have question marks like every other team. We still have a draft to help bring in competition. I fail to see the dour mood with some of you guys considering the haul of players we brought in on reasonable contracts.

And how did you know Nate Hobbs, Vederian Lowe or Brett Toth wanted to sign here? Again you asked what I would've done differently and I would've put more money into the O-line than they did so far.

I asked which players we signed that you would have not signed and instead allocated towards oline instead. It's a simple question. We don't have infinite money at our disposal, so which players would you have not signed in order to sign Vera-Tucker for example?

I think it's a bit of a fallacy to tell people they have to be armchair GMs as good as the pros just because they're dissatisfied with the results on the field. I don't tell the chef how to source ingredients and cook meals when I go to a restaurant, I just evaluate the quality of the food. We're consumers of a product, and I think the premise of this question is flawed.

Horses**t, it's a fair question. When you're rubbing your off-season crystal ball, you don't get to rail against decisions on one hand, then don't tell us which decisions would have been better. That's called having your cake and eating it too.

Otherwise, we might just sit back and patiently wait to see how these decisions play out before jumping off bridges. That's my point.

Woosah buddy. The original complaint was about the general lack of attention to OL, which is a fair complaint across a number of seasons. Trying to corner someone into doing the GM's job better than him strikes me as somewhat disingenuous.

Kolohe's complaint was that we didn't spend significant money on the oline this offseason. And I asked which players we signed with our allocated cap would he give up to sign a FA. In essence what position shoulf suffer to elevate another position on the roster? This whole board is full of such discussions.

This is not forcing someone into an unreasonable argument. Thats absurd. Especially when my point has always erred on patience instead of crystal ball reaction on a GMs actions—which is more in line with your 'let the experts cook' analogy.

we haven't even had the draft and people are already freaking out.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Once again I didn't like that they paid only a little investment into the O-line position. Something that got the 9ers kicked outta the playoffs. Pretty much putting out the same O-line as last season.

What would you have done differently? Who would you have paid, and what FAs would you have not signed in order to pay a G or C. I understand the frustration, but we had so many needs across the roster, so I guess what was the more ideal path?

I would've given Alijah Vera-Tucker that contract he got. I would've signed Wyatt Teller or Braden Smith who can play both Guard or Tackle in a pinch. They continue to spend chump change on the O-line and expect premium results.

So you sign Vera-Tucker over Evans? Assuming Vera-Tucker would want to sign here, which is not a given.

It's hard to take these arguments seriously when you're not looking at the roster moves thus far holistically. We've improved in areas of serious need. We're going to have question marks like every other team. We still have a draft to help bring in competition. I fail to see the dour mood with some of you guys considering the haul of players we brought in on reasonable contracts.

And how did you know Nate Hobbs, Vederian Lowe or Brett Toth wanted to sign here? Again you asked what I would've done differently and I would've put more money into the O-line than they did so far.

I asked which players we signed that you would have not signed and instead allocated towards oline instead. It's a simple question. We don't have infinite money at our disposal, so which players would you have not signed in order to sign Vera-Tucker for example?

I think it's a bit of a fallacy to tell people they have to be armchair GMs as good as the pros just because they're dissatisfied with the results on the field. I don't tell the chef how to source ingredients and cook meals when I go to a restaurant, I just evaluate the quality of the food. We're consumers of a product, and I think the premise of this question is flawed.

Horses**t, it's a fair question. When you're rubbing your off-season crystal ball, you don't get to rail against decisions on one hand, then don't tell us which decisions would have been better. That's called having your cake and eating it too.

Otherwise, we might just sit back and patiently wait to see how these decisions play out before jumping off bridges. That's my point.

Woosah buddy. The original complaint was about the general lack of attention to OL, which is a fair complaint across a number of seasons. Trying to corner someone into doing the GM's job better than him strikes me as somewhat disingenuous.

Kolohe's complaint was that we didn't spend significant money on the oline this offseason. And I asked which players we signed with our allocated cap would he give up to sign a FA. In essence what position shoulf suffer to elevate another position on the roster? This whole board is full of such discussions.

This is not forcing someone into an unreasonable argument. Thats absurd. Especially when my point has always erred on patience instead of crystal ball reaction on a GMs actions—which is more in line with your 'let the experts cook' analogy.

we haven't even had the draft and people are already freaking out.

The disconnect for me is this complaint spans multiple seasons, and asking someone to be patient while detailing the moves they would have made this offseason to address a long-standing grievance with the front office's philosophy overall just seems fallacious. The front office has been given a lot of patience in terms of building the OL, and it continues to end seasons for us.

Edit: I also take your point that complaints without suggestions are just complaints, and they're working with finite resources / options. Maybe I'm just sympathetic to this complaint because I share it and want to see impactful efforts to improve here.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I was kind of exaggerating a little when I said "Premium" results but just tired of seeing them throwing a bunch cheap options on the O-line for competition then choosing the best outta the bunch to start.

Are you equally frustrated about them doing that in the secondary? Because they've drafted two OL guys far higher than they have drafted a DB.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Any idea why the mock drafts that have the 49ers selecting a "clean edge rusher" absolutely ignore the addition of Mykel Williams last season? I mean, I know he did suffer a knee injury. But so did Bosa. The mock drafts all mention Bosa. But not Mykel. Do these mockers even study teams?

Unless they watch 49ers games, and even then, study the film - they probably think he did absolutely nothing. Mykel was a freakin stud for us but not a flashy stat player.

Bosa - Mykel - Osa - ?, 3/4 of the starter roles are awesome. Need a top quality pass rusher rookie and a nice vet. then we have some other guys that are solid for the rotation. that's my opinion.