John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
OMG now you guys are making excuses for our losses to Seattle

Week 1 isn't real. The Raiders defetaed the Patriots in week 1 at Foxboro

Seattle has a way better roster than us because they draft BPA every time. They outscored us 54-9 the last 2 times we saw them.

Bosa and Warner didn't play those games?........well I guess that Bosa and Warner would had found some answers on offense

Are you guys really so weak that can't even accept the fact that Seattle is a clearly better team than us righ now?......holy f**k these fans are beyond lame and childish.

"But but but next year when we are healthy we'll beat them".......well guess what: we won't be healthy next year.

These weak fans make this forum really disgusting some times. It's like talking about politics with a bunch of 6 year olds.

Oh calm down, so what you're saying is that if we had a full team all year and got progressively better as the season went we had no chance vs Seattle later in the season?

my god go look at our roster vs Seattle in that playoff game…even guys that were playing like Pearsall couldn't even move.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Late response my bad. But the problem I have with your argument is that you think you have it mapped out like they won't get better or are gonna have all this trouble keeping their important free agents. There maybe other suitors who drive up the price but ultimately they should stick around for another run. Regardless of what Darnold and JSN are asking, Seattle has time to get things done with those two, nothing has to be done this season or next. And there's always ways to manipulate the salary cap, you ask me why I argue this with you.

49ers will get better and so will the two team a above us. Not sure why that's hard to believe or why you keep looking past this upcoming season. This has been my argument the whole time my guy. How much better can the 9ers get remains to be seen on how aggressive and creative they get with this roster.

As for the Rams, they're always playing possum. Stafford acts like he's gonna retire then next thing you know he's winning the MVP. lol

I'm not saying Snead will just go out and get another Stafford, I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if they went out and got another QB they could just plug n play. Snead has shown that he can make the right moves, Schneider too.

Yeah, I'm not saying they're gonna magically suck or they can't "get better" but all that freed up cap space (that you keep alluding to) is pretty much committed to their own (if they want to keep this current roster). With all those top 50 picks can come big contracts, if they hit. Toss in a SB win and it raises it even more. It's the truth of the situation.

And yes Sam will want a massive raise in a yr. He's grossly underpaid as a SB winning QB. JSN is already saying he wants to be the highest paid WR this offseason. He along with Spoon aren't gonna step on the field without a deal, why would they? Again it's not just about the cap it's about the REAL CASH that has to be given out at the signing. That matters and there's only so much real money Seattle is willing to shell out all at once.

Stafford is old, regardless of whatever. He's gonna command a $45-$50M cap hit every yr with his yr to year playing. Adams is on the last yr of his deal. Puka will be one of the highest paid WRs. They need to get a RT and pay their LG. On defense they need DBs badly. Turner and Young are in the last yr of their deals and have also grossly outplayed their rookie deals. I'd be shocked if they step on the field as well.

Both their GMs have shown they can draft well and trade for good players…they've also shown they can make stupid trades and drafted horribly all the same. Schneider In particular has almost a decade straight of some of the worst drafts.

my whole point is people seem to only look at the good they've done and the bad that we've done. No one bats 100. Seattle is now in the we have it pay our young stars cash mode. SF isn't…they can and will absolutely make some moves this off season.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Probably. Because they have depth at every level.

But let's say if we were completely healthy and faced Seattle do you think they still outscore us by 50 points in two games? Do you think we win the SB?

Shanahan has no answer for Seattle and that D with Mike McDonald.

Lol the squeaked by winning the division as it was. If the injuries I quoted happened, there is zero chance they win the division or the sb.

As for us, if we were healthy I think we had a great shot... And that's in a rebuild year!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Late response my bad. But the problem I have with your argument is that you think you have it mapped out like they won't get better or are gonna have all this trouble keeping their important free agents. There maybe other suitors who drive up the price but ultimately they should stick around for another run. Regardless of what Darnold and JSN are asking, Seattle has time to get things done with those two, nothing has to be done this season or next. And there's always ways to manipulate the salary cap, you ask me why I argue this with you.

49ers will get better and so will the two team a above us. Not sure why that's hard to believe or why you keep looking past this upcoming season. This has been my argument the whole time my guy. How much better can the 9ers get remains to be seen on how aggressive and creative they get with this roster.

As for the Rams, they're always playing possum. Stafford acts like he's gonna retire then next thing you know he's winning the MVP. lol

I'm not saying Snead will just go out and get another Stafford, I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if they went out and got another QB they could just plug n play. Snead has shown that he can make the right moves, Schneider too.

Yeah, I'm not saying they're gonna magically suck or they can't "get better" but all that freed up cap space (that you keep alluding to) is pretty much committed to their own (if they want to keep this current roster). With all those top 50 picks can come big contracts, if they hit. Toss in a SB win and it raises it even more. It's the truth of the situation.

And yes Sam will want a massive raise in a yr. He's grossly underpaid as a SB winning QB. JSN is already saying he wants to be the highest paid WR this offseason. He along with Spoon aren't gonna step on the field without a deal, why would they? Again it's not just about the cap it's about the REAL CASH that has to be given out at the signing. That matters and there's only so much real money Seattle is willing to shell out all at once.

Stafford is old, regardless of whatever. He's gonna command a $45-$50M cap hit every yr with his yr to year playing. Adams is on the last yr of his deal. Puka will be one of the highest paid WRs. They need to get a RT and pay their LG. On defense they need DBs badly. Turner and Young are in the last yr of their deals and have also grossly outplayed their rookie deals. I'd be shocked if they step on the field as well.

Both their GMs have shown they can draft well and trade for good players…they've also shown they can make stupid trades and drafted horribly all the same. Schneider In particular has almost a decade straight of some of the worst drafts.

my whole point is people seem to only look at the good they've done and the bad that we've done. No one bats 100. Seattle is now in the we have it pay our young stars cash mode. SF isn't…they can and will absolutely make some moves this off season.

That last statement is the basis for many of the arguments on this forum. Fans can always find data or stats to support almost any argument you want to make. Unfortunately GMs have to accept both sides.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol the squeaked by winning the division as it was. If the injuries I quoted happened, there is zero chance they win the division or the sb.

As for us, if we were healthy I think we had a great shot... And that's in a rebuild year!

So Bosa and Warner would help a Shanahan lead offense score more than 9 points VS a Mike McDonald defense in two games?

Sorry to break it to ya but Kittle and Pearsall wouldn't have moved the needle enough to win either of those games.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
But I thought you said everyone else that missed games for them were "bit players" aside from Charles Cross?

Look at tha list. Witherspoon was the most importantly other guy they lost and it was 4 games. Love is a bit player. Everyone else that was importantly was 1 or two games.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol the squeaked by winning the division as it was. If the injuries I quoted happened, there is zero chance they win the division or the sb.

As for us, if we were healthy I think we had a great shot... And that's in a rebuild year!

So Bosa and Warner would help a Shanahan lead offense score more than 9 points VS a Mike McDonald defense in two games?

Sorry to break it to ya but Kittle and Pearsall wouldn't have moved the needle enough to win either of those games.

I agree we need to upgrade the o-line. Always have. BUT if we had, Bosa, Warner, and Williams, Kittle....that stuff cascades across units. We would have been VERY hard to beat, but the way Seattles d-line dominated our interior is undeniable.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol the squeaked by winning the division as it was. If the injuries I quoted happened, there is zero chance they win the division or the sb.

As for us, if we were healthy I think we had a great shot... And that's in a rebuild year!

So Bosa and Warner would help a Shanahan lead offense score more than 9 points VS a Mike McDonald defense in two games?

Sorry to break it to ya but Kittle and Pearsall wouldn't have moved the needle enough to win either of those games.

True we need real wr's, JJ & Pearsall are more like role players rather than starting caliber superstars. Although JJ is an incredible role player when it comes to blocking and being a possession guy.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
OMG now you guys are making excuses for our losses to Seattle

Week 1 isn't real. The Raiders defetaed the Patriots in week 1 at Foxboro

Seattle has a way better roster than us because they draft BPA every time. They outscored us 54-9 the last 2 times we saw them.

Bosa and Warner didn't play those games?........well I guess that Bosa and Warner would had found some answers on offense

Are you guys really so weak that can't even accept the fact that Seattle is a clearly better team than us righ now?......holy f**k these fans are beyond lame and childish.

"But but but next year when we are healthy we'll beat them".......well guess what: we won't be healthy next year.

These weak fans make this forum really disgusting some times. It's like talking about politics with a bunch of 6 year olds.

So Kittle would have had no impact? Not having our 2 best WR's on offense either? Seattle was the better team and they were also 100% healthy.. You can discount the week 1 win all you want but the fact is when healthy our roster was just as good as theirs. Take away Seattle's 3 best defensive players and their top 2 receiving targets on offense and you're damn right the NFCCG would be a different game.

Seems like calling folks weak and childish for believing in the players is kind of lame.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
OMG now you guys are making excuses for our losses to Seattle

Week 1 isn't real. The Raiders defetaed the Patriots in week 1 at Foxboro

Seattle has a way better roster than us because they draft BPA every time. They outscored us 54-9 the last 2 times we saw them.

Bosa and Warner didn't play those games?........well I guess that Bosa and Warner would had found some answers on offense

Are you guys really so weak that can't even accept the fact that Seattle is a clearly better team than us righ now?......holy f**k these fans are beyond lame and childish.

"But but but next year when we are healthy we'll beat them".......well guess what: we won't be healthy next year.

These weak fans make this forum really disgusting some times. It's like talking about politics with a bunch of 6 year olds.

They do have a better roster than us. They draft better by light years. They have handled us pretty well the last few times. Week 1 was a miracle win. Chuck it up for grabs and a backup TE came down with it. Just more lucky I think. That team is better than us by a lot and it will take a lot of roster building to beat them.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They do have a better roster than us. They draft better by light years. They have handled us pretty well the last few times. Week 1 was a miracle win. Chuck it up for grabs and a backup TE came down with it. Just more lucky I think. That team is better than us by a lot and it will take a lot of roster building to beat them.

They drafted horribly for 9 straight years. They got 11 top 50 picks after the Wilson trade. Let's stop pretending their GM has been nailing drafts, trades and FA nonstop for a decade. You're straight up lying acting like that.

Luck? Our best defensive player strip sacked Sam to end the game. Acting like s**t like that is "luck" but an opening game kick return is just normal stuff is the BS that I'm talking about it here and why folks have a hard time taking anything you say seriously.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
So Bosa and Warner would help a Shanahan lead offense score more than 9 points VS a Mike McDonald defense in two games?

Sorry to break it to ya but Kittle and Pearsall wouldn't have moved the needle enough to win either of those games.

1. A defense that creates turnovers, field position, etc. couldn't help an offense? Have you ever watched football before?

2. Absolutely a healthy Pearsall/kittle help. Did you see pearsalls week 1/healthy game?

And again, we are FLIPPING the scenario. Not only are we healthy, the Seahawks are injured (in the hypothetical scenario).

Honestly, if drew lock starts 8 games for the Seahawks, they legitimately don't even make the playoffs

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They do have a better roster than us. They draft better by light years. They have handled us pretty well the last few times. Week 1 was a miracle win. Chuck it up for grabs and a backup TE came down with it. Just more lucky I think. That team is better than us by a lot and it will take a lot of roster building to beat them.

I agree.

The most concerning thing is that the offensive mastermind Shanahan has no answer for McDonald's D. None.

We scored 26 points in 3 games vs them and a healthy Kittle or Pearsall wouldn't have changed a damn thing.

Of course Bosa and Warner would have helped but they can only do so much when our offense can't move the ball or score.

Originally posted by miked1978:
So Kittle would have had no impact? Not having our 2 best WR's on offense either? Seattle was the better team and they were also 100% healthy.. You can discount the week 1 win all you want but the fact is when healthy our roster was just as good as theirs. Take away Seattle's 3 best defensive players and their top 2 receiving targets on offense and you're damn right the NFCCG would be a different game.

Seems like calling folks weak and childish for believing in the players is kind of lame.

The fact is our roster has more star power but it definitely 100% is not as good or as deep as theirs and Shanahan's offense can't score vs McDonald's D.

As for injuries; we weren't healthy and probably never will be with this core. Kittle can't play a full season. Pearsall is frail, Trent Williams is 38 and misses games. Purdy misses games every year. CMC is due for an injury after his heavy workload. Bosa can't stay healthy etc. All of them will be on the wrong side of 30.

If any one of those guys misses games we are done. It happened before and it will happen again.

I've said it 100 times. We are a top heavy, injury prone team with no depth and zero impact players under the age of 25.

And to top it off Jennings, our best WR probably won't be back, we have 5 defensive linemen about to leave and they weren't that good to begin with. Our 1st round pick is coming off a torn knee and can't rush the passer. Both our safeties can't cover and our Oline can't run block and we have no LG.

But ya, keep thinking we will beat Seattle, the team that just won the SB. Whatever makes you happy man.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Oh calm down, so what you're saying is that if we had a full team all year and got progressively better as the season went we had no chance vs Seattle later in the season?

my god go look at our roster vs Seattle in that playoff game…even guys that were playing like Pearsall couldn't even move.

And whose fault is that? Who built this team that relies on 5 aging, injury prone players who can't play all 17 games and we have ZERO depth behind them?