John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
My point exactly. They made moves to an already strong roster and their roster is far superior to ours. Like I said, it's not even closer

Warner and Bosa wouldn't have helped the offense get absolutely owned by Seattle's D to the tune of 54-9 in the last two games we played them.

You guy are totally delusional if you think we can stack up head to head with Seattle even with a completely healthy roster.

BS that it's not even close. They NOW have to pay players, something we've already been doing. We can make moves now while they have to focus on overpaying their own due to going to a SB.

My god talk about exaggerating

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
My point exactly. They made moves to an already strong roster and their roster is far superior to ours. Like I said, it's not even closer

Warner and Bosa wouldn't have helped the offense get absolutely owned by Seattle's D to the tune of 54-9 in the last two games we played them.

You guy are totally delusional if you think we can stack up head to head with Seattle even with a completely healthy roster.

BS that it's not even close. They NOW have to pay players, something we've already been doing. We can make moves now while they have to focus on overpaying their own due to going to a SB.

My god talk about exaggerating

He don't get it. We getting bosa back, Warner back, mychel Williams back, with a good offseason we can be Super Bowl favorites, we nab Crosby, sign linderbaum, get doubs or Pierce or Evans, those 3 moves there makes this team a whole lot better, granted we beat Seattle in Seattle already last year when healthy

I think signing Tyler Linderbaum and trading for Maxx Crosby is very unlikely.

We've seen how teams are able to turn things around with one good off season. I know the Niners haven't done well with early round draft picks recently but that doesn't mean they can't get lucky this year. If 2 or 3 of their picks become starters and contribute this year along with the return of the players that were hurt last season the entire picture can change. I know it's a lot of ifs but that's what the off season is for most teams. Seattle looks really good right nw but suppose Darnold or Njigba get hurt next year? What if they lose 3 staerters from their defense? It can happen to anyone.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've seen how teams are able to turn things around with one good off season. I know the Niners haven't done well with early round draft picks recently but that doesn't mean they can't get lucky this year. If 2 or 3 of their picks become starters and contribute this year along with the return of the players that were hurt last season the entire picture can change. I know it's a lot of ifs but that's what the off season is for most teams. Seattle looks really good right nw but suppose Darnold or Njigba get hurt next year? What if they lose 3 staerters from their defense? It can happen to anyone.

I wouldn't count on the draft, we gotta do good in free agency , that's what worked for the Seahawks last year , plus you know lynch can't draft for s**t, I don't expect any impact players coming from the draft

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
My point exactly. They made moves to an already strong roster and their roster is far superior to ours. Like I said, it's not even closer

Warner and Bosa wouldn't have helped the offense get absolutely owned by Seattle's D to the tune of 54-9 in the last two games we played them.

You guy are totally delusional if you think we can stack up head to head with Seattle even with a completely healthy roster.

BS that it's not even close. They NOW have to pay players, something we've already been doing. We can make moves now while they have to focus on overpaying their own due to going to a SB.

My god talk about exaggerating

He don't get it. We getting bosa back, Warner back, mychel Williams back, with a good offseason we can be Super Bowl favorites, we nab Crosby, sign linderbaum, get doubs or Pierce or Evans, those 3 moves there makes this team a whole lot better, granted we beat Seattle in Seattle already last year when healthy

I don't get it??

Your whole plan is to add over 60 million for 3 players when we don't have 60 million to spend and rely on two guys coming off torn knees and Warner?

Makes sense lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
My point exactly. They made moves to an already strong roster and their roster is far superior to ours. Like I said, it's not even closer

Warner and Bosa wouldn't have helped the offense get absolutely owned by Seattle's D to the tune of 54-9 in the last two games we played them.

You guy are totally delusional if you think we can stack up head to head with Seattle even with a completely healthy roster.

BS that it's not even close. They NOW have to pay players, something we've already been doing. We can make moves now while they have to focus on overpaying their own due to going to a SB.

My god talk about exaggerating

How is it exaggerating?

They will bring guys back. They have money to spend and a front office who has hit on their draft picks.

We have a top heavy, injury prone roster with ZERO impact players under the age of 25

With our recent drafts what proof do you have that this regime can stack the roster and compete with Seattle? Because we did it 10 years ago? We actually made more bad decisions than good ones this past 10 years so it's not looking promising.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
How is it exaggerating?

They will bring guys back. They have money to spend and a front office who has hit on their draft picks.

We have a top heavy, injury prone roster with ZERO impact players under the age of 25

With our recent drafts what proof do you have that this regime can stack the roster and compete with Seattle? Because we did it 10 years ago? We actually made more bad decisions than good ones this past 10 years so it's not looking promising.

I know math is hard, but it was actually 3 years ago that we had a superbowl roster, not 10 years ago. There's your proof. They already did it recently. It can happen again. They do have to draft better though, if they don't, the Lynch Shanahan partnership might end. But just because they haven't drafted well in the last 5 years doesn't mean that will continue.
Seattle was 9-8 two years ago. Their rise was quick.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've seen how teams are able to turn things around with one good off season. I know the Niners haven't done well with early round draft picks recently but that doesn't mean they can't get lucky this year. If 2 or 3 of their picks become starters and contribute this year along with the return of the players that were hurt last season the entire picture can change. I know it's a lot of ifs but that's what the off season is for most teams. Seattle looks really good right nw but suppose Darnold or Njigba get hurt next year? What if they lose 3 staerters from their defense? It can happen to anyone.

I wouldn't count on the draft, we gotta do good in free agency , that's what worked for the Seahawks last year , plus you know lynch can't draft for s**t, I don't expect any impact players coming from the draft

Just because the Niners haven't had great drafts in the early rounds recently doesn't mean they won't have a good one this year. It's not like Lynch has never picked any good players. The biggest reason recent drafta have been poor is because of the Lance deal. It messed up 3 straight years. Unfortunately they're drafting late in each round again so it makes it harder to land a real difference maker.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've seen how teams are able to turn things around with one good off season. I know the Niners haven't done well with early round draft picks recently but that doesn't mean they can't get lucky this year. If 2 or 3 of their picks become starters and contribute this year along with the return of the players that were hurt last season the entire picture can change. I know it's a lot of ifs but that's what the off season is for most teams. Seattle looks really good right nw but suppose Darnold or Njigba get hurt next year? What if they lose 3 staerters from their defense? It can happen to anyone.

I wouldn't count on the draft, we gotta do good in free agency , that's what worked for the Seahawks last year , plus you know lynch can't draft for s**t, I don't expect any impact players coming from the draft

Just because the Niners haven't had great drafts in the early rounds recently doesn't mean they won't have a good one this year. It's not like Lynch has never picked any good players. The biggest reason recent drafta have been poor is because of the Lance deal. It messed up 3 straight years. Unfortunately they're drafting late in each round again so it makes it harder to land a real difference maker.

I'm just saying I wouldn't count on that.. especially based on their track record, Seahawks went from 9-8 to Super Bowl champs mainly by one offseason of great free agent pick ups

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've seen how teams are able to turn things around with one good off season. I know the Niners haven't done well with early round draft picks recently but that doesn't mean they can't get lucky this year. If 2 or 3 of their picks become starters and contribute this year along with the return of the players that were hurt last season the entire picture can change. I know it's a lot of ifs but that's what the off season is for most teams. Seattle looks really good right nw but suppose Darnold or Njigba get hurt next year? What if they lose 3 staerters from their defense? It can happen to anyone.

I wouldn't count on the draft, we gotta do good in free agency , that's what worked for the Seahawks last year , plus you know lynch can't draft for s**t, I don't expect any impact players coming from the draft

Just because the Niners haven't had great drafts in the early rounds recently doesn't mean they won't have a good one this year. It's not like Lynch has never picked any good players. The biggest reason recent drafta have been poor is because of the Lance deal. It messed up 3 straight years. Unfortunately they're drafting late in each round again so it makes it harder to land a real difference maker.

I'm just saying I wouldn't count on that.. especially based on their track record, Seahawks went from 9-8 to Super Bowl champs mainly by one offseason of great free agent pick ups

They also had a couple of down years where they were able to get higher picks. It didn't all happen in one year. Their rebuilding has been going on for about 3 years.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
My guy, they got JSN asking for $40M per right now. That's just one guy. They have a dozen FA (or guys on the last yr of their deals) that start or are very good rotational players.

It's what happens after a SB win (or loss) you have to give people raises, you will lose talent that you've been developing to get to that point.

it has nothing to do with going into cap hell, it's pointing out that their roster isn't gonna be the same next yr (like a lot of teams). They will ABSOLUTELY have to pay out a lot of that cap space for their current players this off season and rolled over into next yr. It's a fact and I have no clue why you're trying to argue with me about it.

acting like there's just another Stafford to be had is silly. You got a 3rd of the league looking for a QB. It's not that simple. They have picks THIS yr in a very underwhelming draft. We know Stafford is playing this yr, you think they're gonna draft a QB now? There is nothing in this draft.

It's not about who's a FA right now either, they have multiple DL that are in the last yr of their deal and more than likely aren't stepping onto the field without an extension. Like most good players. We've seen it here yr after yr. I'm guessing they spend picks on DBs because they have nothing currently. Puka is gonna be making $40M per and Adams is gonna want a new deal or will be leaving after this season. They lost their starting RT, they have to pay their LG top money etc.

where have I ever said they're in trouble? Again I'm pointing out all that "cap space" is gonna be accounted for with their own players for the most part. Much like when SF consistently had high end contract negotiations the past couple yrs NOW Seattle and the Rams (to a point) are going down that road.

FOR ONCE we don't have that (for better or worse) we don't have some massive in house contract extension to worry about (this yr or next). We can go out and make moves. We spent last off season cleaning the books and giving our QB a bag.

I feel like you're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying

Seattle has work to do but they will re-sign the guys they need to and they have a GM who has nailed his last few drafts.

They still have a far superior team than we do.

Disagree when healthy, we beat them last year as proof, good offseason changes things, it did for them, they got Demarcus Lawerence , cooper kupp, Rasheed shaheed, Sam darnold, earnest jones, were all free agents they got last year except shaheed as trade, but all were pick ups that put them over the top, stuff we can do the same with a good offseason.

Absolutely all that!!

I know they had solid drafts, but there's no denying all those offseason moves significantly moved the needle big time

FO needs to bring in the kind of depth that won't skip a beat when they have to take over for an injured player(s)... when healthy, Niners can compete and keep the game close with any team out there. Hopefully, they (at least) sign a DE/Edge, WR, FS in free agency

My point exactly. They made moves to an already strong roster and their roster is far superior to ours. Like I said, it's not even closer

Warner and Bosa wouldn't have helped the offense get absolutely owned by Seattle's D to the tune of 54-9 in the last two games we played them.

You guy are totally delusional if you think we can stack up head to head with Seattle even with a completely healthy roster.

we won week 1

We won week 1 IN Seattle.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've seen how teams are able to turn things around with one good off season. I know the Niners haven't done well with early round draft picks recently but that doesn't mean they can't get lucky this year. If 2 or 3 of their picks become starters and contribute this year along with the return of the players that were hurt last season the entire picture can change. I know it's a lot of ifs but that's what the off season is for most teams. Seattle looks really good right nw but suppose Darnold or Njigba get hurt next year? What if they lose 3 staerters from their defense? It can happen to anyone.

I wouldn't count on the draft, we gotta do good in free agency , that's what worked for the Seahawks last year , plus you know lynch can't draft for s**t, I don't expect any impact players coming from the draft

Just because the Niners haven't had great drafts in the early rounds recently doesn't mean they won't have a good one this year. It's not like Lynch has never picked any good players. The biggest reason recent drafta have been poor is because of the Lance deal. It messed up 3 straight years. Unfortunately they're drafting late in each round again so it makes it harder to land a real difference maker.

I'm just saying I wouldn't count on that.. especially based on their track record, Seahawks went from 9-8 to Super Bowl champs mainly by one offseason of great free agent pick ups

They also had a couple of down years where they were able to get higher picks. It didn't all happen in one year. Their rebuilding has been going on for about 3 years.

Sure but I'm saying that offseason of those free agent pick ups put them over the top, same can happen to us, we get Crosby with bosa warner and mychel coming back would be awesome, then add a legit offensive WR, things can change fast after free agency

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Thing is with the Seahawks is that they drafted well and their core players remain intact. Again $63 million is enough to get better, they really only need to re-sign three players in Boye Mafe, Kenneth Walker and Coby, Rasheed Sheed. Rid Woolen is replaceable and could even upgrade from him by signing someone like Jamel Dean or Nahshon Wright. Also Sam Darnold will get his contract, whether it's guaranteed money or a contract with a bunch incentives in it, Seattle will protect its te first. Waiting around for them to go into cap hell or be cap strapped, only puts the joke on us. Brock Purdy got a fat contract, 49ers cap seems to be fine and we're in line to add and upgrade in free agency.

True I forgot Seattle traded away some of their picks. But they are capable of trading them away without hurting their offseason. Unlike the 9ers who need to actually focus their picks on the draft. It would be pretty damaging if Seattle went all in this season and traded for Justin Jefferson!!!

As for the Rams, sure Stafford can retire at any moment. But their GM isn't afraid to go out and find a replacement he can play and plug just like he did with Stafford. They got the cap space and picks to do so. They don't really have anyone important to re-sign this season, maybe Kam Curl.

To sit here and act like Seattle and the Rams will be in trouble if they do this or that is ignorance. They will get better this offseason, so will the 9ers. But the problem the 9ers have is that time is running out on them, their core players are getting older and haven't drafted well over the years and you can say haven't added any free agents worth keeping around. If anything 9ers are on a year to year basis too with Trent Williams and CMC. The WR room is also a mess, along with a thin D-line. 9ers got more work to do than both Seattle and LA.

My guy, they got JSN asking for $40M per right now. That's just one guy. They have a dozen FA (or guys on the last yr of their deals) that start or are very good rotational players.

It's what happens after a SB win (or loss) you have to give people raises, you will lose talent that you've been developing to get to that point.

it has nothing to do with going into cap hell, it's pointing out that their roster isn't gonna be the same next yr (like a lot of teams). They will ABSOLUTELY have to pay out a lot of that cap space for their current players this off season and rolled over into next yr. It's a fact and I have no clue why you're trying to argue with me about it.

acting like there's just another Stafford to be had is silly. You got a 3rd of the league looking for a QB. It's not that simple. They have picks THIS yr in a very underwhelming draft. We know Stafford is playing this yr, you think they're gonna draft a QB now? There is nothing in this draft.

It's not about who's a FA right now either, they have multiple DL that are in the last yr of their deal and more than likely aren't stepping onto the field without an extension. Like most good players. We've seen it here yr after yr. I'm guessing they spend picks on DBs because they have nothing currently. Puka is gonna be making $40M per and Adams is gonna want a new deal or will be leaving after this season. They lost their starting RT, they have to pay their LG top money etc.

where have I ever said they're in trouble? Again I'm pointing out all that "cap space" is gonna be accounted for with their own players for the most part. Much like when SF consistently had high end contract negotiations the past couple yrs NOW Seattle and the Rams (to a point) are going down that road.

FOR ONCE we don't have that (for better or worse) we don't have some massive in house contract extension to worry about (this yr or next). We can go out and make moves. We spent last off season cleaning the books and giving our QB a bag.

I feel like you're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying

Late response my bad. But the problem I have with your argument is that you think you have it mapped out like they won't get better or are gonna have all this trouble keeping their important free agents. There maybe other suitors who drive up the price but ultimately they should stick around for another run. Regardless of what Darnold and JSN are asking, Seattle has time to get things done with those two, nothing has to be done this season or next. And there's always ways to manipulate the salary cap, you ask me why I argue this with you.

49ers will get better and so will the two team a above us. Not sure why that's hard to believe or why you keep looking past this upcoming season. This has been my argument the whole time my guy. How much better can the 9ers get remains to be seen on how aggressive and creative they get with this roster.

As for the Rams, they're always playing possum. Stafford acts like he's gonna retire then next thing you know he's winning the MVP. lol

I'm not saying Snead will just go out and get another Stafford, I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if they went out and got another QB they could just plug n play. Snead has shown that he can make the right moves, Schneider too.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
We won week 1 IN Seattle.

And since then we lost two games to them and got absolutely destroyed to the tune of 54-9 and Seattle won the Super Bowl.