John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I think time will tell ..... if we see the players who stepped up continually get better and succeed here and other places , I will admit I was being too hard on Lynch.

my guess is this coaching staff was lights out scheme wise and with locker room culture .

i would love to be wrong in regards to our depth not be solid .

We trade away our depth or let it walk in fa.

Deebo, charvy, mason, hufanga, collins, hargrave, greenlaw, aziz, if you wanna go back farther omenihu, ebukam, mostert, wilson, mitchell, armstead.

Im not naming guys like mcg, banks, buckner, jimmy who were paid top dollar to go elsewhere. I am only counting affordable or semi affordable guys.

The majority of those guys ended up getting good sized deals that the 49ers weren't and shouldn't have given out, they weren't keeping guys who are backups and signing them to $10M+ a yr deals that makes zero sense, that's how you ruin your salary cap, by overpaying players who aren't worth the money, plus the fact is Deebo & Hargrave were overpaid already so they were cut, Collins we probably shouldn't had released, Ward wasn't coming back after what happened to his daughter, plus he admitted he gave up during that season, Dre was offered more but wanted to be LB1, he wasn't gonna be that here with Warner here, plus he only played in 8 games this season, Mason is a dime a dozen RB IMO, same with Mostert & Mitchell, who I believe was released not long ago, Armstead wouldn't take a pay cut, so they cut him, Omenihu & Ebukam got $10M+ a yr deals, those weren't happening, Azzezz got a good sized deal as well when we had Dre, we weren't paying 3 LBs $10M+ a yr, Hufanga is a good Safety but is just as bad in coverage as Mustapha & Brown are, not trying to make excuses but you can't just keep everyone and still have 1. a balanced roster, and 2. a healthy salary cap cause the majority of those guys got $10M+ a yr, they can't afford that many, maybe 10-12 max, not 20, just not feasible, even if the cap can be manipulated eventually it catches up, looks at the Saints who had to redo every deal for like 5 yrs in a row.

You are just aplogizing for FO decisions.

We should have paid ward, azeez, omenihu, mason, collins and kissed and made up with raheem.

try to sign greenlaw to an incentive contract due to injury history.

Ward quit because we told him we weren't extending him. He was shocked. He made a business decision to stay healthy for 2025.

I know there's a medical history war here, but Mostert was the most gifted OZ runner that shanny had since Morris. Just look at raheem 2018 2019 highlights. Why we treated him like a special teamer we could nickel and dime I have no idea. Horrid talent evaluation. Also Mason >>>>>Robinson. Another mistake. For a few million bucks more? The salary cap is 305m next year. I think there's room. Mason would have eaten into cmc's numbers....but that's a good thing right? We get more cmc in 2026.

POoint is that we can't extend everybody but to keep continuity and performance we need to extend some people who are GOOD PLAYERS. We have a very different defense this year with charvy (77/458 snaps), omenihu(62/567 snaps/5sacks), azeez (71/926snaps), and collins(74/546/8 sacks) in the mix.

We need to be comfortable pulling the trigger on mid range contracts to supplement our star players. Not just say it's all eaten up by the bosa's and the Williams'

Just cause the salary cap is $305M doesn't mean we could just keep all of those players, 5 of them make $10M+ a yr, add into the ones we have ow we just couldn't afford to have those 5 plus what we have and have a balanced roster, just not feasible, you can only pay so many players I that $10M+ a yr range, also we weren't signing 3 RBs to the kind of money they all got, same for 3 LBs at $10M+ a yr, and Dre wasn't taking an incentive laden deal, he wanted to be LB1, he wasn't gonna be that here and we offered him more and he chose Denver, as for Ward we chose DMo, I have no issue with it, plus Ward was injured this season, even if he may have not been with us, he wasn't gonna be extended, again you can't keep everyone, just not doable, the cap can only hold so much.

And I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to make people realize that you can't keep everyone, sometimes you need to let players go, just how it is, every team does it every year.

ok. I get it.

Remind me again, who are our $10m players?

The only guys who come to mind are McKivitz and lenoir.

Demo is getting 15m. His numbers this year were 60/1024snaps/104 passer rating.

Got to go. I can't watch this complete CLOWN screw up yet another draft. We are unfortunately stuck with Shany for now at least. Getting rid of Lynch is the best you can hope for. Literally no reason to keep. Is he really good at the draft, free agency, trades, dead cap money, internal extensions? You know like HIS JOB. If not why do we keep him?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I think time will tell ..... if we see the players who stepped up continually get better and succeed here and other places , I will admit I was being too hard on Lynch.

my guess is this coaching staff was lights out scheme wise and with locker room culture .

i would love to be wrong in regards to our depth not be solid .

We trade away our depth or let it walk in fa.

Deebo, charvy, mason, hufanga, collins, hargrave, greenlaw, aziz, if you wanna go back farther omenihu, ebukam, mostert, wilson, mitchell, armstead.

Im not naming guys like mcg, banks, buckner, jimmy who were paid top dollar to go elsewhere. I am only counting affordable or semi affordable guys.

The majority of those guys ended up getting good sized deals that the 49ers weren't and shouldn't have given out, they weren't keeping guys who are backups and signing them to $10M+ a yr deals that makes zero sense, that's how you ruin your salary cap, by overpaying players who aren't worth the money, plus the fact is Deebo & Hargrave were overpaid already so they were cut, Collins we probably shouldn't had released, Ward wasn't coming back after what happened to his daughter, plus he admitted he gave up during that season, Dre was offered more but wanted to be LB1, he wasn't gonna be that here with Warner here, plus he only played in 8 games this season, Mason is a dime a dozen RB IMO, same with Mostert & Mitchell, who I believe was released not long ago, Armstead wouldn't take a pay cut, so they cut him, Omenihu & Ebukam got $10M+ a yr deals, those weren't happening, Azzezz got a good sized deal as well when we had Dre, we weren't paying 3 LBs $10M+ a yr, Hufanga is a good Safety but is just as bad in coverage as Mustapha & Brown are, not trying to make excuses but you can't just keep everyone and still have 1. a balanced roster, and 2. a healthy salary cap cause the majority of those guys got $10M+ a yr, they can't afford that many, maybe 10-12 max, not 20, just not feasible, even if the cap can be manipulated eventually it catches up, looks at the Saints who had to redo every deal for like 5 yrs in a row.

You are just aplogizing for FO decisions.

We should have paid ward, azeez, omenihu, mason, collins and kissed and made up with raheem.

try to sign greenlaw to an incentive contract due to injury history.

Ward quit because we told him we weren't extending him. He was shocked. He made a business decision to stay healthy for 2025.

I know there's a medical history war here, but Mostert was the most gifted OZ runner that shanny had since Morris. Just look at raheem 2018 2019 highlights. Why we treated him like a special teamer we could nickel and dime I have no idea. Horrid talent evaluation. Also Mason >>>>>Robinson. Another mistake. For a few million bucks more? The salary cap is 305m next year. I think there's room. Mason would have eaten into cmc's numbers....but that's a good thing right? We get more cmc in 2026.

POoint is that we can't extend everybody but to keep continuity and performance we need to extend some people who are GOOD PLAYERS. We have a very different defense this year with charvy (77/458 snaps), omenihu(62/567 snaps/5sacks), azeez (71/926snaps), and collins(74/546/8 sacks) in the mix.

We need to be comfortable pulling the trigger on mid range contracts to supplement our star players. Not just say it's all eaten up by the bosa's and the Williams'

Just cause the salary cap is $305M doesn't mean we could just keep all of those players, 5 of them make $10M+ a yr, add into the ones we have ow we just couldn't afford to have those 5 plus what we have and have a balanced roster, just not feasible, you can only pay so many players I that $10M+ a yr range, also we weren't signing 3 RBs to the kind of money they all got, same for 3 LBs at $10M+ a yr, and Dre wasn't taking an incentive laden deal, he wanted to be LB1, he wasn't gonna be that here and we offered him more and he chose Denver, as for Ward we chose DMo, I have no issue with it, plus Ward was injured this season, even if he may have not been with us, he wasn't gonna be extended, again you can't keep everyone, just not doable, the cap can only hold so much.

And I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to make people realize that you can't keep everyone, sometimes you need to let players go, just how it is, every team does it every year.

ok. I get it.

Remind me again, who are our $10m players?

The only guys who come to mind are McKivitz and lenoir.

Demo is getting 15m. His numbers this year were 60/1024snaps/104 passer rating.

Here's the breakdown. You can filter by year:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/cap

It's difficult to answer your question considering cap number, base, bonus, etc. What's really interesting is what year the team processes through dead cap values, for ex. Brock at $100M in 2025.

Agree with AB81, it would be very difficult to keep everyone (of course). I thought the team did a nice job cleaning up last offseason. There were some guys who would have been wonderful to have - Dre, Aziz, Hufanga to name a couple - but they were pricey or wanted something different than the team could give.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Got to go. I can't watch this complete CLOWN screw up yet another draft. We are unfortunately stuck with Shany for now at least. Getting rid of Lynch is the best you can hope for. Literally no reason to keep. Is he really good at the draft, free agency, trades, dead cap money, internal extensions? You know like HIS JOB. If not why do we keep him?

Once again…can't draft, can't handle the cap, bad in free agency and trades.

How have we even managed to win a playoff game this whole tenure…let alone get deep in the playoffs?

Like are you guys for real? Impossible to have legit discussions about real issues with the team when you make irrational takes like that.

Originally posted by Fasteddy:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I think time will tell ..... if we see the players who stepped up continually get better and succeed here and other places , I will admit I was being too hard on Lynch.

my guess is this coaching staff was lights out scheme wise and with locker room culture .

i would love to be wrong in regards to our depth not be solid .

We trade away our depth or let it walk in fa.

Deebo, charvy, mason, hufanga, collins, hargrave, greenlaw, aziz, if you wanna go back farther omenihu, ebukam, mostert, wilson, mitchell, armstead.

Im not naming guys like mcg, banks, buckner, jimmy who were paid top dollar to go elsewhere. I am only counting affordable or semi affordable guys.

The majority of those guys ended up getting good sized deals that the 49ers weren't and shouldn't have given out, they weren't keeping guys who are backups and signing them to $10M+ a yr deals that makes zero sense, that's how you ruin your salary cap, by overpaying players who aren't worth the money, plus the fact is Deebo & Hargrave were overpaid already so they were cut, Collins we probably shouldn't had released, Ward wasn't coming back after what happened to his daughter, plus he admitted he gave up during that season, Dre was offered more but wanted to be LB1, he wasn't gonna be that here with Warner here, plus he only played in 8 games this season, Mason is a dime a dozen RB IMO, same with Mostert & Mitchell, who I believe was released not long ago, Armstead wouldn't take a pay cut, so they cut him, Omenihu & Ebukam got $10M+ a yr deals, those weren't happening, Azzezz got a good sized deal as well when we had Dre, we weren't paying 3 LBs $10M+ a yr, Hufanga is a good Safety but is just as bad in coverage as Mustapha & Brown are, not trying to make excuses but you can't just keep everyone and still have 1. a balanced roster, and 2. a healthy salary cap cause the majority of those guys got $10M+ a yr, they can't afford that many, maybe 10-12 max, not 20, just not feasible, even if the cap can be manipulated eventually it catches up, looks at the Saints who had to redo every deal for like 5 yrs in a row.

You are just aplogizing for FO decisions.

We should have paid ward, azeez, omenihu, mason, collins and kissed and made up with raheem.

try to sign greenlaw to an incentive contract due to injury history.

Ward quit because we told him we weren't extending him. He was shocked. He made a business decision to stay healthy for 2025.

I know there's a medical history war here, but Mostert was the most gifted OZ runner that shanny had since Morris. Just look at raheem 2018 2019 highlights. Why we treated him like a special teamer we could nickel and dime I have no idea. Horrid talent evaluation. Also Mason >>>>>Robinson. Another mistake. For a few million bucks more? The salary cap is 305m next year. I think there's room. Mason would have eaten into cmc's numbers....but that's a good thing right? We get more cmc in 2026.

POoint is that we can't extend everybody but to keep continuity and performance we need to extend some people who are GOOD PLAYERS. We have a very different defense this year with charvy (77/458 snaps), omenihu(62/567 snaps/5sacks), azeez (71/926snaps), and collins(74/546/8 sacks) in the mix.

We need to be comfortable pulling the trigger on mid range contracts to supplement our star players. Not just say it's all eaten up by the bosa's and the Williams'

Just cause the salary cap is $305M doesn't mean we could just keep all of those players, 5 of them make $10M+ a yr, add into the ones we have ow we just couldn't afford to have those 5 plus what we have and have a balanced roster, just not feasible, you can only pay so many players I that $10M+ a yr range, also we weren't signing 3 RBs to the kind of money they all got, same for 3 LBs at $10M+ a yr, and Dre wasn't taking an incentive laden deal, he wanted to be LB1, he wasn't gonna be that here and we offered him more and he chose Denver, as for Ward we chose DMo, I have no issue with it, plus Ward was injured this season, even if he may have not been with us, he wasn't gonna be extended, again you can't keep everyone, just not doable, the cap can only hold so much.

And I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to make people realize that you can't keep everyone, sometimes you need to let players go, just how it is, every team does it every year.

ok. I get it.

Remind me again, who are our $10m players?

The only guys who come to mind are McKivitz and lenoir.

Demo is getting 15m. His numbers this year were 60/1024snaps/104 passer rating.

Here's the breakdown. You can filter by year:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/cap

It's difficult to answer your question considering cap number, base, bonus, etc. What's really interesting is what year the team processes through dead cap values, for ex. Brock at $100M in 2025.

Agree with AB81, it would be very difficult to keep everyone (of course). I thought the team did a nice job cleaning up last offseason. There were some guys who would have been wonderful to have - Dre, Aziz, Hufanga to name a couple - but they were pricey or wanted something different than the team could give.

And I said $10M+ a yr, the 49ers have the following making $10M or more a year.

Brock at $53M
Bosa at $34M
Aiyuk at $30M
Trent at $27.5M
Warner at $21M
Kittle at $19.1M
CMC at $19M
DMo at $17.96M
McKivitz at $15M

That's 9 already, yes you can take away Aiyuk as he'll be gone, but then he wants to add in 5 more, that's 13, not to mention that everyone wants the 49ers to add more high priced players every year, again the cap can only hold so much before you end up in cap hell, again I'm not making excuses, I wish we could just sign everyone, but this isn't Madden, and you can't turn the salary cap off, the fact is, you can only really have 11-12 players making that kind of money.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Got to go. I can't watch this complete CLOWN screw up yet another draft. We are unfortunately stuck with Shany for now at least. Getting rid of Lynch is the best you can hope for. Literally no reason to keep. Is he really good at the draft, free agency, trades, dead cap money, internal extensions? You know like HIS JOB. If not why do we keep him?

Once again…can't draft, can't handle the cap, bad in free agency and trades.

How have we even managed to win a playoff game this whole tenure…let alone get deep in the playoffs?

Like are you guys for real? Impossible to have legit discussions about real issues with the team when you make irrational takes like that.

Draft over the years - I can only give him a C at best and that's because there were more LOST THAN FOUND
Coaching - he's a good coach, but is more of a Coordinator (IMO) .. sorry he just doesn't plan around his opponents and this is his WEAKNESS
The Missing Rings - because I believe it is his FATE to not win one here, REASONS will find a way for the UNFORTUNATE to happen (Injuries, Busts, Executions)

What I'd like to see change in the team's approach to drafting:

1. More draft maneuvering. They seem to get one-itis with certain prospects and that is where it often ends up biting them in the butt. I'd like to see them be more willing to trade down and to collect more picks, to give them added flexibility to move up if needed later on in the draft. Regardless of where they are picking in the 1st or 2nd round, there are typically several prospects within 5-10 selections that end up being pretty good players.

2. Be more conventional early on. Its something that Baltimore is really good about and they are one of the better drafting teams. Their drafts are a lot more predictable and yet they have success year in and year out while being one of the most active trading teams in the draft. Don't try to outsmart yourselves, take BPA, sometimes the obvious pick is the very best pick or at least a really good one. Don't reach for guys just because some part of their film blew you away and if you really must get them, try to collect some additional value by moving back first.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Got to go. I can't watch this complete CLOWN screw up yet another draft. We are unfortunately stuck with Shany for now at least. Getting rid of Lynch is the best you can hope for. Literally no reason to keep. Is he really good at the draft, free agency, trades, dead cap money, internal extensions? You know like HIS JOB. If not why do we keep him?

You need to take a break from football and reflect on your priorities.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What I'd like to see change in the team's approach to drafting:

1. More draft maneuvering. They seem to get one-itis with certain prospects and that is where it often ends up biting them in the butt. I'd like to see them be more willing to draft down and to collect more picks, to give them more flexibility to move up if needed later on in the draft. Regardless of where they are picking in the 1st or 2nd round, there are typically several prospects within 5-10 selections that end up being pretty good players.

2. Be more conventional early on. Its something that Baltimore is really good about and they are one of the better drafting teams. Their drafts are a lot more predictable and yet they have success year in and year out while being one of the most acting trading teams in the draft. Don't try to outsmart yourselves, take BPA, sometimes the obvious pick is the very best pick or at least a really good one. Don't reach for guys just because some part of their film blew you away and if you really must get them, try to collect some additional value by moving back first.

Let the draft come to you. Definitely this regime biggest issue

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Fasteddy:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I think time will tell ..... if we see the players who stepped up continually get better and succeed here and other places , I will admit I was being too hard on Lynch.

my guess is this coaching staff was lights out scheme wise and with locker room culture .

i would love to be wrong in regards to our depth not be solid .

We trade away our depth or let it walk in fa.

Deebo, charvy, mason, hufanga, collins, hargrave, greenlaw, aziz, if you wanna go back farther omenihu, ebukam, mostert, wilson, mitchell, armstead.

Im not naming guys like mcg, banks, buckner, jimmy who were paid top dollar to go elsewhere. I am only counting affordable or semi affordable guys.

The majority of those guys ended up getting good sized deals that the 49ers weren't and shouldn't have given out, they weren't keeping guys who are backups and signing them to $10M+ a yr deals that makes zero sense, that's how you ruin your salary cap, by overpaying players who aren't worth the money, plus the fact is Deebo & Hargrave were overpaid already so they were cut, Collins we probably shouldn't had released, Ward wasn't coming back after what happened to his daughter, plus he admitted he gave up during that season, Dre was offered more but wanted to be LB1, he wasn't gonna be that here with Warner here, plus he only played in 8 games this season, Mason is a dime a dozen RB IMO, same with Mostert & Mitchell, who I believe was released not long ago, Armstead wouldn't take a pay cut, so they cut him, Omenihu & Ebukam got $10M+ a yr deals, those weren't happening, Azzezz got a good sized deal as well when we had Dre, we weren't paying 3 LBs $10M+ a yr, Hufanga is a good Safety but is just as bad in coverage as Mustapha & Brown are, not trying to make excuses but you can't just keep everyone and still have 1. a balanced roster, and 2. a healthy salary cap cause the majority of those guys got $10M+ a yr, they can't afford that many, maybe 10-12 max, not 20, just not feasible, even if the cap can be manipulated eventually it catches up, looks at the Saints who had to redo every deal for like 5 yrs in a row.

You are just aplogizing for FO decisions.

We should have paid ward, azeez, omenihu, mason, collins and kissed and made up with raheem.

try to sign greenlaw to an incentive contract due to injury history.

Ward quit because we told him we weren't extending him. He was shocked. He made a business decision to stay healthy for 2025.

I know there's a medical history war here, but Mostert was the most gifted OZ runner that shanny had since Morris. Just look at raheem 2018 2019 highlights. Why we treated him like a special teamer we could nickel and dime I have no idea. Horrid talent evaluation. Also Mason >>>>>Robinson. Another mistake. For a few million bucks more? The salary cap is 305m next year. I think there's room. Mason would have eaten into cmc's numbers....but that's a good thing right? We get more cmc in 2026.

POoint is that we can't extend everybody but to keep continuity and performance we need to extend some people who are GOOD PLAYERS. We have a very different defense this year with charvy (77/458 snaps), omenihu(62/567 snaps/5sacks), azeez (71/926snaps), and collins(74/546/8 sacks) in the mix.

We need to be comfortable pulling the trigger on mid range contracts to supplement our star players. Not just say it's all eaten up by the bosa's and the Williams'

Just cause the salary cap is $305M doesn't mean we could just keep all of those players, 5 of them make $10M+ a yr, add into the ones we have ow we just couldn't afford to have those 5 plus what we have and have a balanced roster, just not feasible, you can only pay so many players I that $10M+ a yr range, also we weren't signing 3 RBs to the kind of money they all got, same for 3 LBs at $10M+ a yr, and Dre wasn't taking an incentive laden deal, he wanted to be LB1, he wasn't gonna be that here and we offered him more and he chose Denver, as for Ward we chose DMo, I have no issue with it, plus Ward was injured this season, even if he may have not been with us, he wasn't gonna be extended, again you can't keep everyone, just not doable, the cap can only hold so much.

And I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to make people realize that you can't keep everyone, sometimes you need to let players go, just how it is, every team does it every year.

ok. I get it.

Remind me again, who are our $10m players?

The only guys who come to mind are McKivitz and lenoir.

Demo is getting 15m. His numbers this year were 60/1024snaps/104 passer rating.

Here's the breakdown. You can filter by year:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/cap

It's difficult to answer your question considering cap number, base, bonus, etc. What's really interesting is what year the team processes through dead cap values, for ex. Brock at $100M in 2025.

Agree with AB81, it would be very difficult to keep everyone (of course). I thought the team did a nice job cleaning up last offseason. There were some guys who would have been wonderful to have - Dre, Aziz, Hufanga to name a couple - but they were pricey or wanted something different than the team could give.

And I said $10M+ a yr, the 49ers have the following making $10M or more a year.

Brock at $53M
Bosa at $34M
Aiyuk at $30M
Trent at $27.5M
Warner at $21M
Kittle at $19.1M
CMC at $19M
DMo at $17.96M
McKivitz at $15M

That's 9 already, yes you can take away Aiyuk as he'll be gone, but then he wants to add in 5 more, that's 13, not to mention that everyone wants the 49ers to add more high priced players every year, again the cap can only hold so much before you end up in cap hell, again I'm not making excuses, I wish we could just sign everyone, but this isn't Madden, and you can't turn the salary cap off, the fact is, you can only really have 11-12 players making that kind of money.

You can't be too top heavy with your salaries and expect to compete every year. The Niners have been competitive but have fallen just a little short. They keep losing depth and quality young players that haven't reached their potential yet because they can't afford to keep them.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What I'd like to see change in the team's approach to drafting:

1. More draft maneuvering. They seem to get one-itis with certain prospects and that is where it often ends up biting them in the butt. I'd like to see them be more willing to draft down and to collect more picks, to give them more flexibility to move up if needed later on in the draft. Regardless of where they are picking in the 1st or 2nd round, there are typically several prospects within 5-10 selections that end up being pretty good players.

2. Be more conventional early on. Its something that Baltimore is really good about and they are one of the better drafting teams. Their drafts are a lot more predictable and yet they have success year in and year out while being one of the most acting trading teams in the draft. Don't try to outsmart yourselves, take BPA, sometimes the obvious pick is the very best pick or at least a really good one. Don't reach for guys just because some part of their film blew you away and if you really must get them, try to collect some additional value by moving back first.

Let the draft come to you. Definitely this regime biggest issue

💯

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Let the draft come to you. Definitely this regime biggest issue

They even tried trading up for Mykel last year

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

What I'd like to see change in the team's approach to drafting:

1. More draft maneuvering. They seem to get one-itis with certain prospects and that is where it often ends up biting them in the butt. I'd like to see them be more willing to trade down and to collect more picks, to give them added flexibility to move up if needed later on in the draft. Regardless of where they are picking in the 1st or 2nd round, there are typically several prospects within 5-10 selections that end up being pretty good players.

2. Be more conventional early on. Its something that Baltimore is really good about and they are one of the better drafting teams. Their drafts are a lot more predictable and yet they have success year in and year out while being one of the most active trading teams in the draft. Don't try to outsmart yourselves, take BPA, sometimes the obvious pick is the very best pick or at least a really good one. Don't reach for guys just because some part of their film blew you away and if you really must get them, try to collect some additional value by moving back first.

Spot on. I would also add that they have a habit of redshirting selections vs. truly letting them learn and develop. For example, I would have liked to see Watkins more on the field. Same with Martin.

Originally posted by GEEK:
Spot on. I would also add that they have a habit of redshirting selections vs. truly letting them learn and develop. For example, I would have liked to see Watkins more on the field. Same with Martin.

Yea there's definitely a kind of pecking order thing going on that I don't 100% understand. I just figured it was a shanty type of thing. I haven't noticed other teams shutting down rookies that can play like this regime does. But it might make sense to the locker room. I don't really know.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What I'd like to see change in the team's approach to drafting:

1. More draft maneuvering. They seem to get one-itis with certain prospects and that is where it often ends up biting them in the butt. I'd like to see them be more willing to trade down and to collect more picks, to give them added flexibility to move up if needed later on in the draft. Regardless of where they are picking in the 1st or 2nd round, there are typically several prospects within 5-10 selections that end up being pretty good players.

2. Be more conventional early on. Its something that Baltimore is really good about and they are one of the better drafting teams. Their drafts are a lot more predictable and yet they have success year in and year out while being one of the most active trading teams in the draft. Don't try to outsmart yourselves, take BPA, sometimes the obvious pick is the very best pick or at least a really good one. Don't reach for guys just because some part of their film blew you away and if you really must get them, try to collect some additional value by moving back first.

Agree with this 1000%

This is where I feel a stronger GM would be able to make things like that happen. It never felt right to me after that first draft that we drafted Joe Williams after having him off our board cuz Kyle wanted him and that we moved up into the bottom of the 3rd round to draft CJ Beathard just so Kyle "could sleep better"

I do understand sometimes you can't find a team to move down with and you have to make your pick but I still can't imagine some of these guys we've taken in the 3rd round were a threat to go off the board before our next pick like...

TDP
Cameron Latu
Nick Martin

I'm sure I'm missing a few but those 3 to me were clearly the most "WTF...could've had them round or two later"