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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
The silver lining here; if we can actually hit on our top draft picks this year, we are right back in it!

Spending so much time and energy on how bad we've drafted in the top three rounds over the past 10 years, or how much better we would be if we had drafted better, doesn't help us one bit right now. We have to hit in the upcoming draft as well as free agency and stay healthy in order to compete in the NFC West.

Well said glorydayz.

But actually they need to hit on this off season. Like Lynch said, they'll have more flexibility in terms of spending and they have the chance to hit on this draft. Even more so thanks to Mac Jones's value.

I don't see why Lynch said they'll have more flexibilty in terms of spending. Their cap space this year is estimated between $23 million and $37 million. Last year it was $50 million. Maybe because they have Purdy's contract done?

They'll have more than that, they'll have up to $20M in adjustments from base salary guarantees being paid back, per game roster bonuses not earned, LTBEs not earned, injury policy paybacks like for Bosa & Aiyuk, they're gonna be close to $50M in cap room when the offseason begins, plus any contract they end up doing will have a cheap yr 1 cap number.
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Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
You're missing DMo, Green, Collins, West, Stout, Jauan, Juice, Mooney, hell even Pearsall & Puni have upside, can't throw away the last 2 drafts as if they're busts when they've only played 1 and 2 full seasons, you can't judge draft picks based on just 1 or 2 seasons, team has had a good amount of successful UDFAs like Tonges, Bourne, Breida, Mason, the fact that they were so injured and still won 12 games is a show of how good Kyle is as a HC.

This. The usual suspect posters are severely underestimating (or being willfully blind to) the impact of losing guys like Aiyuk, Deebo, Greenlaw, Hufanga, Charvarius Ward, Hargrave, plus losing Bosa, Warner, Purdy, Kittle and Pearsall to injury. That's literally 10 Pro Bowlers/All-Pros, except Ricky.

Like no s**t your team is going to look like it has no talent when you lose that many guys in a rebuild and the best remaining guys get injured.

Purely emotional fans. Zero context.

Agree 100%

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Ok, a lot of teams passed on Mahomes, it was their first year, s**t happens.
Again first year, fact is Thomas is still in the league as for Foster they were given bad info by Saban
The 49ers weren't gonna be able to afford Buckner with the guys they had or were to have to pay
Kinlaw was bad I agree
No guarantee they win anything with Brady, and they just went to a SB
Yes it was a bad trade
I agree they need to do better drafting in the first 3 rounds
Aiyuk extension was a bad one but it didn't hurt us financially like everyone likes to say

Darnold? Who cares, Brock is the teams franchise QB whether people want to admit it, he has proven he's worth the deal
You're the one who wanted us in your dream scenario to keep Hargrave around but now it was a bad deal?
Hufanga was never being retained for what he got, he's no better in coverage than Brown & Mustapha, and is injury prine
Dre was offered more money and decided to be the #1 LB can't fault him for wanting that
Collins loss did hurt I agree

Really? Not the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Browns, Titans, Colts, Dolphins, Cowboys, Cardinals, Saints, or Vikings? All have had horrible drafts picks and/or free agent signings/huge extensions, c'mon dude get real.

Yes they have made bad moves but none as big as the whiffs we have made.

Yes, alot of teams passed on Mahomes but how many teams needed a QB? How many teams had a guy like Brian Hoyer as their starter? Hell, taking Trubisky would have been a 100x better pick than Solomon Thomas. What kind of regime starts their 1st year and have a chance to get a young QB with a top 2 pick and takes an undersized DE? It was just an absolute boneheaded decision by a front office who have no idea what they are doing.

We could have easily kept Buckner but chose Armstead and Jimmie Ward instead. Neither are on the team anymore and are replacement level players while Buckner makes All Pro's.

The Trey Lance trade was the worst NFL draft trade EVER.

Solomon Thomas is a top 10 NFL draft bust of all time. 3rd overall pick who is barely a NFL replacement level player.

What kind of egotistical lunatic would turn down Tom freaking Brady for Jimmy Garrapolo when Brady wanted to come here?? Also keep in mind Brady came with Gronkowski. But no, Shanahan thought he could out think everyone else and scheme his way to a SB.

One of those moves would get most front offices fired nevermind 5. Then add in all the dozens of 2nd and 3rd round picks who were complete busts and it's amazing these guys are still here.

Make as many excuses as you want but these guys have made the worst moves out of any regime in football and it's not even close.

Really? The worst? All time too right? So no one else has ever been as bad as you say Lynch & Shanahan have been?

No one knew for sure that Mahomes would be as good as he is, no guarantee he would have been as great here as he is in KC, I seriously can't take you serious, one minute you wanted Hargrave on the team, and the next you don't, no consistent at all, too all over the place.

AB, this guy has been banned before. He's just on a new account. Mods need to just ban this attention seeking troll again.

Agreed, don't get how they're able to keep making new accounts without them being banned again.

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
What does losing those guys to injury or letting them leave have to do with the fact that this front office has been terrible at drafting and personnel decisions?

And who chose to let those guys leave? What decisions were made where we had to rebuild? Why do we have 95 mil in dead money?

I didn't say one thing about those guys or who was injured. I didn't mention that losing those guys didn't hurt.

I brought up the amount of draft busts and terrible personnel decisions that would have got any other front office fired and that's a fact.

Yet the same usual suspects are ignoring that they ever happened.

Purely HOMER fans that have an excuse for everything.

It's because those players were drafted or targeted in free agency. When a team has over a dozen pro bowlers and All-Pros including those who have left, they literally cannot be "terrible" at drafting and personnel decisions.

I think you're so hung up on Super Bowl losses that you absolutely forget what it takes to build a roster like what the Niners had built in 22/23.

I also don't get the silly rhetorical questions about why those guys were let go. It doesn't take much to understand how the salary cap works or know that Niners team had to rebuild.

Let this dude move on. Some peeps can't be happy is the truth. Yes losing SBs sucks but this season was a fun ride.

Yes indeed, what a ride, 12 reg season wins, knocked out the SB champs, happy with the ride, now they need to retool, draft better & spend smart.

Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Show me a list of draft picks worse than those?

We are bottom 5 in the league for drafting players and actually having them play a game. Thats a FACT.

Im not the one being emotional and a homer. I'm saying it how it is. You are the one who is not able to have a conversation because nothing this franchise does is wrong.

And then the old "not a 49ers fan" is brought up. Typical.

100% emotional posting but you're right, not a homer. Good for you!

Show me another team who made a move like they did for Lance and CMC(I'm sure you'll find a way to hate that trade as well) while also going to 3 straight NFCCGs and a SB.

What you have is clearly an excellent roster that's drafting late in every round and missing their early draft picks. In general you don't see a ton of successful drafts with those parameters…and yet they keep winning lots of games. Almost like the coach is doing something right?

btw now that I had some extra time here is your version of Seattle's drafts

2013 Christine Michael(2)
2013 Jordan Hill(3)
2014 Paul Richardson(2)
2016 Germain Ifedi(1.31)
2016 CJ Prosise (3)
2016 Nick Vannett(3)
2016 Rees Odhiambo(3)
2017 Malik McDowell(2)
2017 Lano HIll(3)
2017 Nazair Jones(3)
2017 Amara Darboh(3)
2018 Rashaad Penny(1.27)
2018 Rasheem Green(3)
2019 LJ Collier(1.29)
2019 Marquise Blair(2)
2020 Darrell Taylor(2)
2021 D'Wayne Eskridge(2)

The only real impact players Seattle drafted from 2013 to 2022 were DK Metcalf(2019 2nd round) and Tyler Lockett(2015 3rd round)

They lived off those 2010-2012 draft classes.

BOOM, if it wasn't for the most recent drafts the Seahawks wouldn't be in such a great shape, I also looked at the Raiders drafts from 2016-2021, man they only have 1 1st rd pick still on the team(Kolton Miller), 2 or 3 are in the NFL on other teams, the remaining 4 or 5 are out of the league, guys like Alex Leatherwood, Johnathan Abrams, Henry Ruggs III, Gareon Conley, and I think someone else, can't remember off top of my head.
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Yes. We had a great team. Arguably the greatest 49er team ever and Shanahan squandered it.

That still doesn't discount the fact that this team IS terrible at drafting overall and have made some terrible roster decisions. But we have gotten lucky with drafting a select handful of superstar level players and a few good trades in Trent Williams and CMC who have propped up the roster. That can't be discounted.

The question is can Shanahan do it again? Those same All Pros are gone or injury prone and old. Can he build another super team again and then maybe get it done and with a Super Bowl win?

Because as it stands now this roster is in shambles and we probably lost our best chance at a Super Bowl. We have ZERO impact players under 25 and we simply can't rely on Purdy, Bosa, Kittle, TW or CMC to stay healthy. They are all injury prone. Hell, even Warner who has never missed a game is coming off a bad injury.

1. This is a joke
2. The fact that you even posted that means you are either casual as hell or despite your posts before haven't watched this team play in the old days.
So much back and forth over bs. All I know is right now we cannot handle the Rams or Seahawks in the trenches. That's what needs to be fixed.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
So much back and forth over bs. All I know is right now we cannot handle the Rams or Seahawks in the trenches. That's what needs to be fixed.

Rams aren't a problem in the trenches when we're not decimated on defense. rams are a problem cuz of Stafford.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
So much back and forth over bs. All I know is right now we cannot handle the Rams or Seahawks in the trenches. That's what needs to be fixed.

Rams aren't a problem in the trenches when we're not decimated on defense. rams are a problem cuz of Stafford.

This, I'm not as scared of the Rams as I am of the Seahawks, their defense is legit, the Rams defense is ok, not great like Seattle's is IMO anyway, and yeah Stafford is the problem for us, will be interesting to see if he returns or retires, and if the Rams draft a young QB for the future.
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Yes they have made bad moves but none as big as the whiffs we have made.

Yes, alot of teams passed on Mahomes but how many teams needed a QB? How many teams had a guy like Brian Hoyer as their starter? Hell, taking Trubisky would have been a 100x better pick than Solomon Thomas. What kind of regime starts their 1st year and have a chance to get a young QB with a top 2 pick and takes an undersized DE? It was just an absolute boneheaded decision by a front office who have no idea what they are doing.

We could have easily kept Buckner but chose Armstead and Jimmie Ward instead. Neither are on the team anymore and are replacement level players while Buckner makes All Pro's.

The Trey Lance trade was the worst NFL draft trade EVER.

Solomon Thomas is a top 10 NFL draft bust of all time. 3rd overall pick who is barely a NFL replacement level player.

What kind of egotistical lunatic would turn down Tom freaking Brady for Jimmy Garrapolo when Brady wanted to come here?? Also keep in mind Brady came with Gronkowski. But no, Shanahan thought he could out think everyone else and scheme his way to a SB.

One of those moves would get most front offices fired nevermind 5. Then add in all the dozens of 2nd and 3rd round picks who were complete busts and it's amazing these guys are still here.

Make as many excuses as you want but these guys have made the worst moves out of any regime in football and it's not even close.

You keep ignoring the salient points of that first draft and why they made the choices they did. They were completely rebuilding the roster which was one of the worst in the league. Both Lynch and Shanahan believed the best way to do that was to start rebuilding the defense. In hindsight, you can argue against the choices they made but at the time, Thomas and Foster were generally regarded as being pretty good players.

You also continue to ignore the oft repeated fact that Shanahan had his QB in mind, one that he worked with before and knew could operate his system, Kirk Cousins. If you're goal is to get the team back into contention as quickly as possible then the logical choice would be to go with the guy you know you can win with and not draft a player that had a kind of backyard style in college and might not be the best choice for the system you wanted to run.

The problem with your argument, and everyone else who tries to make it, is that aside from the Chiefs, there probably wasn't a single team that held Mahomes in as a high regard. Because he turned out to be such a good player it's easy to come in here and say, in hindsight, oh they should have picked Mahomes. but that's just altering the facts to suit the narrative.

Kirk Cousins has played some very good games in his career and it's not too much of a stretch to think if they had waited a year to get him and built up the roster some more, he might have ended up being very successful here. They might even have gotten that ring that everyone seems so desperate for.

But instead of looking at things through the lens of what was actually going on at the time, you continue to come in here and b***h about the same things over and over again, as if you brain was on some kind of a tape loop with only one song on it. I don't pay a lot of attention to your posts but in the handful I've scanned I don't recall seeing that you ever had a single positive thing to say about team. If you got off of your one-way track for a while and actually contributed something meaningful to the conversation you might have a better chance of convincing people in here that you something other than a troll.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
So much back and forth over bs. All I know is right now we cannot handle the Rams or Seahawks in the trenches. That's what needs to be fixed.

Rams aren't a problem in the trenches when we're not decimated on defense. rams are a problem cuz of Stafford.

This, I'm not as scared of the Rams as I am of the Seahawks, their defense is legit, the Rams defense is ok, not great like Seattle's is IMO anyway, and yeah Stafford is the problem for us, will be interesting to see if he returns or retires, and if the Rams draft a young QB for the future.

I don't disagree but I also don't see us dominating the trenches like a few years ago. They need to draft both lines and make sure these guys are good. We need to go back to being the trench bullies and then division titles will come a lot easier.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
You keep ignoring the salient points of that first draft and why they made the choices they did. They were completely rebuilding the roster which was one of the worst in the league. Both Lynch and Shanahan believed the best way to do that was to start rebuilding the defense. In hindsight, you can argue against the choices they made but at the time, Thomas and Foster were generally regarded as being pretty good players.

You also continue to ignore the oft repeated fact that Shanahan had his QB in mind, one that he worked with before and knew could operate his system, Kirk Cousins. If you're goal is to get the team back into contention as quickly as possible then the logical choice would be to go with the guy you know you can win with and not draft a player that had a kind of backyard style in college and might not be the best choice for the system you wanted to run.

The problem with your argument, and everyone else who tries to make it, is that aside from the Chiefs, there probably wasn't a single team that held Mahomes in as a high regard. Because he turned out to be such a good player it's easy to come in here and say, in hindsight, oh they should have picked Mahomes. but that's just altering the facts to suit the narrative.

Kirk Cousins has played some very good games in his career and it's not too much of a stretch to think if they had waited a year to get him and built up the roster some more, he might have ended up being very successful here. They might even have gotten that ring that everyone seems so desperate for.

But instead of looking at things through the lens of what was actually going on at the time, you continue to come in here and b***h about the same things over and over again, as if you brain was on some kind of a tape loop with only one song on it. I don't pay a lot of attention to your posts but in the handful I've scanned I don't recall seeing that you ever had a single positive thing to say about team. If you got off of your one-way track for a while and actually contributed something meaningful to the conversation you might have a better chance of convincing people in here that you something other than a troll.

Yes, this is fantastic roster building. Hope a QB will be available the next offseason. Brilliant
The first issue of this regime that no one talks about was that Shanahan is an offensive coach but he wanted to rebuild the defense first.....like wtf. I can understand that from defensive guys like Macdonald, Saleh, Minter or McDermott but not from and offensive coach.

If Shanahan had decided to look for a QB like any offensive-minded coach would do he would had scouted Mahomes and we now the rest.
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
You keep ignoring the salient points of that first draft and why they made the choices they did. They were completely rebuilding the roster which was one of the worst in the league. Both Lynch and Shanahan believed the best way to do that was to start rebuilding the defense. In hindsight, you can argue against the choices they made but at the time, Thomas and Foster were generally regarded as being pretty good players.

You also continue to ignore the oft repeated fact that Shanahan had his QB in mind, one that he worked with before and knew could operate his system, Kirk Cousins. If you're goal is to get the team back into contention as quickly as possible then the logical choice would be to go with the guy you know you can win with and not draft a player that had a kind of backyard style in college and might not be the best choice for the system you wanted to run.

The problem with your argument, and everyone else who tries to make it, is that aside from the Chiefs, there probably wasn't a single team that held Mahomes in as a high regard. Because he turned out to be such a good player it's easy to come in here and say, in hindsight, oh they should have picked Mahomes. but that's just altering the facts to suit the narrative.

Kirk Cousins has played some very good games in his career and it's not too much of a stretch to think if they had waited a year to get him and built up the roster some more, he might have ended up being very successful here. They might even have gotten that ring that everyone seems so desperate for.

But instead of looking at things through the lens of what was actually going on at the time, you continue to come in here and b***h about the same things over and over again, as if you brain was on some kind of a tape loop with only one song on it. I don't pay a lot of attention to your posts but in the handful I've scanned I don't recall seeing that you ever had a single positive thing to say about team. If you got off of your one-way track for a while and actually contributed something meaningful to the conversation you might have a better chance of convincing people in here that you something other than a troll.

Yes, this is fantastic roster building. Hope a QB will be available the next offseason. Brilliant

They don't need a new QB, Purdy is the franchise QB.
Thomas was a draft bust - yes, but top 10 of all time? It's this sort of hyperbole that makes people ask "troll or just naive?"
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
You keep ignoring the salient points of that first draft and why they made the choices they did. They were completely rebuilding the roster which was one of the worst in the league. Both Lynch and Shanahan believed the best way to do that was to start rebuilding the defense. In hindsight, you can argue against the choices they made but at the time, Thomas and Foster were generally regarded as being pretty good players.

You also continue to ignore the oft repeated fact that Shanahan had his QB in mind, one that he worked with before and knew could operate his system, Kirk Cousins. If you're goal is to get the team back into contention as quickly as possible then the logical choice would be to go with the guy you know you can win with and not draft a player that had a kind of backyard style in college and might not be the best choice for the system you wanted to run.

The problem with your argument, and everyone else who tries to make it, is that aside from the Chiefs, there probably wasn't a single team that held Mahomes in as a high regard. Because he turned out to be such a good player it's easy to come in here and say, in hindsight, oh they should have picked Mahomes. but that's just altering the facts to suit the narrative.

Kirk Cousins has played some very good games in his career and it's not too much of a stretch to think if they had waited a year to get him and built up the roster some more, he might have ended up being very successful here. They might even have gotten that ring that everyone seems so desperate for.

But instead of looking at things through the lens of what was actually going on at the time, you continue to come in here and b***h about the same things over and over again, as if you brain was on some kind of a tape loop with only one song on it. I don't pay a lot of attention to your posts but in the handful I've scanned I don't recall seeing that you ever had a single positive thing to say about team. If you got off of your one-way track for a while and actually contributed something meaningful to the conversation you might have a better chance of convincing people in here that you something other than a troll.

Yes, this is fantastic roster building. Hope a QB will be available the next offseason. Brilliant

Again, you're ignoring the facts of the situation. Cousins was going to become a free agent the following year and so would have been readily available and probably interested in coming to SF to work with Kyle because he had been the one who got Washington to draft Cousins in the 4th round even though they had already picked RG III in the first, probably because he knew Cousins would be a better fit for his system.

They had Hoyer as an interim who'd had some success with Kyle in Cleveland. Since their roster was so bad, might as well let Hoyer get beat up for a year and then bring in the QB you really wanted once you'd had a chance to improve the team around them. As far as I can tell the plan worked out pretty well, with a slight alteration, because they ended up in the Super Bowl two years later. Who knows, if the opportunity to acquire Jimmy hadn't come along, they probably would have stuck with the Cousins' idea and might even have won that game. We'll never know.
Originally posted by Monsterniner:
The first issue of this regime that no one talks about was that Shanahan is an offensive coach but he wanted to rebuild the defense first.....like wtf. I can understand that from defensive guys like Macdonald, Saleh, Minter or McDermott but not from and offensive coach.

If Shanahan had decided to look for a QB like any offensive-minded coach would do he would had scouted Mahomes and we now the rest.

This makes total sense. You bring in talent where you can't coach up or scheme as well.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
So much back and forth over bs. All I know is right now we cannot handle the Rams or Seahawks in the trenches. That's what needs to be fixed.

Rams aren't a problem in the trenches when we're not decimated on defense. rams are a problem cuz of Stafford.

Stafford shredded that vaunted darkseid to pieces in the NFCG.
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