John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
You're missing DMo, Green, Collins, West, Stout, Jauan, Juice, Mooney, hell even Pearsall & Puni have upside, can't throw away the last 2 drafts as if they're busts when they've only played 1 and 2 full seasons, you can't judge draft picks based on just 1 or 2 seasons, team has had a good amount of successful UDFAs like Tonges, Bourne, Breida, Mason, the fact that they were so injured and still won 12 games is a show of how good Kyle is as a HC.

I didn't mention the last two drafts last I checked.

As for winning 12 games, go look at the QBs we played then come back to me.

And who cares about 12 wins? Seriously. Let's talk about how the season ended.

It's like the participation medal life we are living in. Who gives a s**t about winning 12 games? I could care less. It means nothing at the end of the day.

The simple fact is we are not playing for the Super Bowl and will start next year with the same record as everyone else except there will only be 1 defending Super Bowl champion.

Are real 49er fans supposed to be sitting around celebrating that we won 12 games? Because I could care less.

And is this the John Lynch thread or the Kyle Shanahan thread?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Oh ok. Those guys were draft picks?? Get on the same page man.

Cost both teams a ton of draft picks. So yah it's a draft trade.

Its actually worse to trade for a guy who's gonna command a huge salary vs taking a shot on a rook with a low contract. You can easily move on just like 9ers did. Especially worse if you are dumb enough to guarantee him the whole contract.

All you guys do is move the goal posts. Constantly. Anything to NOT criticize anyone on this team.

Trey Lance was the worst draft trade ever and it's not even close. I have no idea how this is debated.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
You're missing DMo, Green, Collins, West, Stout, Jauan, Juice, Mooney, hell even Pearsall & Puni have upside, can't throw away the last 2 drafts as if they're busts when they've only played 1 and 2 full seasons, you can't judge draft picks based on just 1 or 2 seasons, team has had a good amount of successful UDFAs like Tonges, Bourne, Breida, Mason, the fact that they were so injured and still won 12 games is a show of how good Kyle is as a HC.

This. The usual suspect posters are severely underestimating (or being willfully blind to) the impact of losing guys like Aiyuk, Deebo, Greenlaw, Hufanga, Charvarius Ward, Hargrave, plus losing Bosa, Warner, Purdy, Kittle and Pearsall to injury. That's literally 10 Pro Bowlers/All-Pros, except Ricky.

Like no s**t your team is going to look like it has no talent when you lose that many guys in a rebuild and the best remaining guys get injured.

Purely emotional fans. Zero context.

Originally posted by niner4life21:
This. The usual suspect posters are severely underestimating (or being willfully blind to) the impact of losing guys like Aiyuk, Deebo, Greenlaw, Hufanga, Charvarius Ward, Hargrave, plus losing guys like Bosa, Warner, your first round pick, your QB, and your starting receiver to injury.

Like no s**t your team is going to look like it has no talent when you lose that many guys in a rebuild and the best remaining guys get injured.

Purely emotional fans. Zero context.

What does losing those guys to injury or letting them leave have to do with the fact that this front office has been terrible at drafting and personnel decisions?

And who chose to let those guys leave? What decisions were made where we had to rebuild? Why do we have 95 mil in dead money?

I didn't say one thing about those guys or who was injured. I didn't mention that losing those guys didn't hurt.

I brought up the amount of draft busts and terrible personnel decisions that would have got any other front office fired and that's a fact.

Yet the same usual suspects are ignoring that they ever happened.

Purely HOMER fans that have an excuse for everything.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The 49ers have drafted 44 players in the last 5 years and have 0 impact players that are 25 years or younger. What the 2025 class is remains to be seen, but the facts are what they are with recent draft history.

I saw this interesting factoid the other day: Of those 44 players that the 49ers have drafted in the last 5 years(before this year), only Brock Purdy(1xPB) and Talanoa Hufanga(1xPB/1xAP) have been selected to the ProBowl/All-Pro.

my bad, had to edit it since it was confusing how I originally wrote it.

Facts.

Our team is top heavy, over paid and injury prone.

-Trent Williams will be 38
-CMC will be 30 and just ran into the ground
-Bosa is coming off a knee. His 3rd injury
-Kitltle will be 34 and coming off an Achilles
-Warner broke and dislocated his ankle
-Our 1st round draft pick can't rush the passer and is coming off a knee
-We have one WR who can't stay healtly

-Our Oline is terrible
-We have no safeties and one decent CB
-We have one good LB
-We have ZERO pass rushing DT's

But hey we won 12 games and will be picking at the end of round 1. Things are looking up :)

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
What does losing those guys to injury or letting them leave have to do with the fact that this front office has been terrible at drafting and personnel decisions?

And who chose to let those guys leave? What decisions were made where we had to rebuild? Why do we have 95 mil in dead money?

I didn't say one thing about those guys or who was injured. I didn't mention that losing those guys didn't hurt.

I brought up the amount of draft busts and terrible personnel decisions that would have got any other front office fired and that's a fact.

Yet the same usual suspects are ignoring that they ever happened.

Purely HOMER fans that have an excuse for everything.

It's because those players were drafted or targeted in free agency. When a team has over a dozen pro bowlers and All-Pros including those who have left, they literally cannot be "terrible" at drafting and personnel decisions.

I think you're so hung up on Super Bowl losses that you absolutely forget what it takes to build a roster like what the Niners had built in 22/23.

I also don't get the silly rhetorical questions about why those guys were let go. It doesn't take much to understand how the salary cap works or know that Niners team had to rebuild.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
What does losing those guys to injury or letting them leave have to do with the fact that this front office has been terrible at drafting and personnel decisions?

And who chose to let those guys leave? What decisions were made where we had to rebuild? Why do we have 95 mil in dead money?

I didn't say one thing about those guys or who was injured. I didn't mention that losing those guys didn't hurt.

I brought up the amount of draft busts and terrible personnel decisions that would have got any other front office fired and that's a fact.

Yet the same usual suspects are ignoring that they ever happened.

Purely HOMER fans that have an excuse for everything.

It's because those players were drafted or targeted in free agency. When a team has over a dozen pro bowlers and All-Pros including those who have left, they literally cannot be "terrible" at drafting and personnel decisions.

I think you're so hung up on Super Bowl losses that you absolutely forget what it takes to build a roster like what the Niners had built in 22/23.

I also don't get the silly rhetorical questions about why those guys were let go. It doesn't take much to understand how the salary cap works or know that Niners team had to rebuild.

Let this dude move on. Some peeps can't be happy is the truth. Yes losing SBs sucks but this season was a fun ride.

Originally posted by niner4life21:
It's because those players were drafted or targeted in free agency. When a team has over a dozen pro bowlers and All-Pros including those who have left, they literally cannot be "terrible" at drafting and personnel decisions.

I think you're so hung up on Super Bowl losses that you absolutely forget what it takes to build a roster like what the Niners had built in 22/23.

I also don't get the silly rhetorical questions about why those guys were let go. It doesn't take much to understand how the salary cap works or know that Niners team had to rebuild.

Yes. We had a great team. Arguably the greatest 49er team ever and Shanahan squandered it.

That still doesn't discount the fact that this team IS terrible at drafting overall and have made some terrible roster decisions. But we have gotten lucky with drafting a select handful of superstar level players and a few good trades in Trent Williams and CMC who have propped up the roster. That can't be discounted.

The question is can Shanahan do it again? Those same All Pros are gone or injury prone and old. Can he build another super team again and then maybe get it done and with a Super Bowl win?

Because as it stands now this roster is in shambles and we probably lost our best chance at a Super Bowl. We have ZERO impact players under 25 and we simply can't rely on Purdy, Bosa, Kittle, TW or CMC to stay healthy. They are all injury prone. Hell, even Warner who has never missed a game is coming off a bad injury.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Ok, a lot of teams passed on Mahomes, it was their first year, s**t happens.
Again first year, fact is Thomas is still in the league as for Foster they were given bad info by Saban
The 49ers weren't gonna be able to afford Buckner with the guys they had or were to have to pay
Kinlaw was bad I agree
No guarantee they win anything with Brady, and they just went to a SB
Yes it was a bad trade
I agree they need to do better drafting in the first 3 rounds
Aiyuk extension was a bad one but it didn't hurt us financially like everyone likes to say

Darnold? Who cares, Brock is the teams franchise QB whether people want to admit it, he has proven he's worth the deal
You're the one who wanted us in your dream scenario to keep Hargrave around but now it was a bad deal?
Hufanga was never being retained for what he got, he's no better in coverage than Brown & Mustapha, and is injury prine
Dre was offered more money and decided to be the #1 LB can't fault him for wanting that
Collins loss did hurt I agree

Really? Not the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Browns, Titans, Colts, Dolphins, Cowboys, Cardinals, Saints, or Vikings? All have had horrible drafts picks and/or free agent signings/huge extensions, c'mon dude get real.

Yes they have made bad moves but none as big as the whiffs we have made.

Yes, alot of teams passed on Mahomes but how many teams needed a QB? How many teams had a guy like Brian Hoyer as their starter? Hell, taking Trubisky would have been a 100x better pick than Solomon Thomas. What kind of regime starts their 1st year and have a chance to get a young QB with a top 2 pick and takes an undersized DE? It was just an absolute boneheaded decision by a front office who have no idea what they are doing.

We could have easily kept Buckner but chose Armstead and Jimmie Ward instead. Neither are on the team anymore and are replacement level players while Buckner makes All Pro's.

The Trey Lance trade was the worst NFL draft trade EVER.

Solomon Thomas is a top 10 NFL draft bust of all time. 3rd overall pick who is barely a NFL replacement level player.

What kind of egotistical lunatic would turn down Tom freaking Brady for Jimmy Garrapolo when Brady wanted to come here?? Also keep in mind Brady came with Gronkowski. But no, Shanahan thought he could out think everyone else and scheme his way to a SB.

One of those moves would get most front offices fired nevermind 5. Then add in all the dozens of 2nd and 3rd round picks who were complete busts and it's amazing these guys are still here.

Make as many excuses as you want but these guys have made the worst moves out of any regime in football and it's not even close.

Really? The worst? All time too right? So no one else has ever been as bad as you say Lynch & Shanahan have been?

No one knew for sure that Mahomes would be as good as he is, no guarantee he would have been as great here as he is in KC, I seriously can't take you serious, one minute you wanted Hargrave on the team, and the next you don't, no consistent at all, too all over the place.

AB, this guy has been banned before. He's just on a new account. Mods need to just ban this attention seeking troll again.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
AB, this guy has been banned before. He's just on a new account. Mods need to just ban this attention seeking troll again.

I've never been banned. Just put on a timeout for speaking the truth and not being a complete homer like you.

Nice to see you want people banned for having their own opinions. Maybe it's you who needs to be banned?

Now run off and join your little boys club where you all say the same things

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Guess we have differing views on what a mess is.

Yep, because this is without a doubt a messy dynamic. There are blurred lines of authority. The coach was hired before the GM; the head coach selected the GM; the GM doesn't outrank the head coach; there's a tertiary executive(Paraag) involved. John Lynch's role in the front office is more collaborative than authoritative. The entire 49ers' front office-HC power structure violates conventional NFL power structure of owner > GM > HC.

which circles back to John Lynch being replaced and the questions that arise that I posted above.

Hero isn't wrong. I can't help but wonder if we got a proper GM to pair up with Kyle if we wouldn't be on the hunt for SB #7+ by now.

I like Lynch but I feel like he's better as an exec/PR type role. Not someone who helps identify talent to add to the roster. Need a checks and balances for Kyle. It's a mess cuz you want the symbiotic relationship with the HC and GM so they don't try to screw each other over like Harbaugh/Baalke but don't want a yes man for the HC either.

First draft out of the gate we saw Kyle's youth and impatience on display and Lynch let it go unchecked.

Drafting Joe Williams after he was off our draft board that morning.
Trading up to take CJ Beathard before day 3 so Kyle could sleep better…

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
The 49er have had WAY MORE misses and terrible personnel decisions than the Vikings.

-Pass on Mahomes
-Take Solomon Thomas 1.3 and Reuben Foster in 2017
-Trade Buckner
-Draft Javon Kinlaw 1.14
-Pass on Brady
-Trading 3 firsts for Trey Lance
-Dozens of busted 2nd and 3rd round picks
-Extend Aiuyk

Oh we let Darnold go too and gave a ridiculous deal to Hargrave and let Hufunga, Greenlaw and Collins leave as free agents.

There isn't one GM who has made had as many bad moves as these guys. It blows my mind how they still have jobs.

We let Darnold go after he was a backup to Purdy, the QB who led the team to the SB and never left the SB field with a deficit. A QB who was in final 5 MVP voting that season. A QB who is still better than Darnold.

You're not serious with these takes.

Of course you'd say that. You're the biggest 49er HOMER around.

I'd say that because it's rational and logical. Qualities your posts seem to lack.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
People are defending this regime by pointing to two superbowl appearances and the following players they drafted or picked up in free agency that have kept this franchise competitive.

purdy
deebo
aiyuk
cmc
Kittle
Trent
greenlaw
warner
bosa

am is I missing anything else? Maybe sanders? Hufuanga? Shanahan and lynch have been able to survive the garbage drafts with the above moves. Now that the core outside of Purdy are either gone or old, I'm curious to see where this team goes.

So let's see…bold players drafted by this front office that can't draft and the two remaining players traded for by the front office that can't trade.

Checks out

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Show me a list of draft picks worse than those?

We are bottom 5 in the league for drafting players and actually having them play a game. Thats a FACT.

Im not the one being emotional and a homer. I'm saying it how it is. You are the one who is not able to have a conversation because nothing this franchise does is wrong.

And then the old "not a 49ers fan" is brought up. Typical.

100% emotional posting but you're right, not a homer. Good for you!

Show me another team who made a move like they did for Lance and CMC(I'm sure you'll find a way to hate that trade as well) while also going to 3 straight NFCCGs and a SB.

What you have is clearly an excellent roster that's drafting late in every round and missing their early draft picks. In general you don't see a ton of successful drafts with those parameters…and yet they keep winning lots of games. Almost like the coach is doing something right?

btw now that I had some extra time here is your version of Seattle's drafts

2013 Christine Michael(2)
2013 Jordan Hill(3)
2014 Paul Richardson(2)
2016 Germain Ifedi(1.31)
2016 CJ Prosise (3)
2016 Nick Vannett(3)
2016 Rees Odhiambo(3)
2017 Malik McDowell(2)
2017 Lano HIll(3)
2017 Nazair Jones(3)
2017 Amara Darboh(3)
2018 Rashaad Penny(1.27)
2018 Rasheem Green(3)
2019 LJ Collier(1.29)
2019 Marquise Blair(2)
2020 Darrell Taylor(2)
2021 D'Wayne Eskridge(2)

The only real impact players Seattle drafted from 2013 to 2022 were DK Metcalf(2019 2nd round) and Tyler Lockett(2015 3rd round)

They lived off those 2010-2012 draft classes.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Show me a list of draft picks worse than those?

We are bottom 5 in the league for drafting players and actually having them play a game. Thats a FACT.

Im not the one being emotional and a homer. I'm saying it how it is. You are the one who is not able to have a conversation because nothing this franchise does is wrong.

And then the old "not a 49ers fan" is brought up. Typical.

100% emotional posting but you're right, not a homer. Good for you!

Show me another team who made a move like they did for Lance and CMC(I'm sure you'll find a way to hate that trade as well) while also going to 3 straight NFCCGs and a SB.

What you have is clearly an excellent roster that's drafting late in every round and missing their early draft picks. In general you don't see a ton of successful drafts with those parameters…and yet they keep winning lots of games. Almost like the coach is doing something right?

btw now that I had some extra time here is your version of Seattle's drafts

2013 Christine Michael(2)
2013 Jordan Hill(3)
2014 Paul Richardson(2)
2016 Germain Ifedi(1.31)
2016 CJ Prosise (3)
2016 Nick Vannett(3)
2016 Rees Odhiambo(3)
2017 Malik McDowell(2)
2017 Lano HIll(3)
2017 Nazair Jones(3)
2017 Amara Darboh(3)
2018 Rashaad Penny(1.27)
2018 Rasheem Green(3)
2019 LJ Collier(1.29)
2019 Marquise Blair(2)
2020 Darrell Taylor(2)
2021 D'Wayne Eskridge(2)

The only real impact players Seattle drafted from 2013 to 2022 were DK Metcalf(2019 2nd round) and Tyler Lockett(2015 3rd round)

They lived off those 2010-2012 draft classes.

This goes back to what I said about fans wanting it all. They want excellent drafting while expecting the team to contend for the SB every year. You might get lucky and have that happen for a couple years but eventually finishing with a good record and making the playoffs every year catches up to you.

You start having more high priced players which causes some younger players to leave because you can't afford to keep them. The Niners have seen several players go to other teams for that reason. Then those late picks in each round start catching up to you. All those players you wanted are gone when you pick so you have to take the best available or reach for someone.

I know that we've had some weak drafts recently but we've still managed to stay in contention. I just get tired of hearing fans ripping Lynch and Kyle because they aren't able to draft the players the fans want. It's so ridiculous for fans to think they know more than Lynch or Kyle. These guys have been around and in football all their lives. They live it 24/7 365.