John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
The 49er have had WAY MORE misses and terrible personnel decisions than the Vikings.

-Pass on Mahomes
-Take Solomon Thomas 1.3 and Reuben Foster in 2017
-Trade Buckner
-Draft Javon Kinlaw 1.14
-Pass on Brady
-Trading 3 firsts for Trey Lance
-Dozens of busted 2nd and 3rd round picks
-Extend Aiuyk

Oh we let Darnold go too and gave a ridiculous deal to Hargrave and let Hufunga, Greenlaw and Collins leave as free agents.

There isn't one GM who has made had as many bad moves as these guys. It blows my mind how they still have jobs.

We let Darnold go after he was a backup to Purdy, the QB who led the team to the SB and never left the SB field with a deficit. A QB who was in final 5 MVP voting that season. A QB who is still better than Darnold.

You're not serious with these takes.

Of course you'd say that. You're the biggest 49er HOMER around.

Wait, so you really think Darnold is better than Brock? GTFOH with that nonsense, you're clearly more of a whiner & hater than you are an actual fan cause you don't know ball and you flip flop.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Ok, a lot of teams passed on Mahomes, it was their first year, s**t happens.
Again first year, fact is Thomas is still in the league as for Foster they were given bad info by Saban
The 49ers weren't gonna be able to afford Buckner with the guys they had or were to have to pay
Kinlaw was bad I agree
No guarantee they win anything with Brady, and they just went to a SB
Yes it was a bad trade
I agree they need to do better drafting in the first 3 rounds
Aiyuk extension was a bad one but it didn't hurt us financially like everyone likes to say

Darnold? Who cares, Brock is the teams franchise QB whether people want to admit it, he has proven he's worth the deal
You're the one who wanted us in your dream scenario to keep Hargrave around but now it was a bad deal?
Hufanga was never being retained for what he got, he's no better in coverage than Brown & Mustapha, and is injury prine
Dre was offered more money and decided to be the #1 LB can't fault him for wanting that
Collins loss did hurt I agree

Really? Not the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Browns, Titans, Colts, Dolphins, Cowboys, Cardinals, Saints, or Vikings? All have had horrible drafts picks and/or free agent signings/huge extensions, c'mon dude get real.

Yes they have made bad moves but none as big as the whiffs we have made.

Yes, alot of teams passed on Mahomes but how many teams needed a QB? How many teams had a guy like Brian Hoyer as their starter? Hell, taking Trubisky would have been a 100x better pick than Solomon Thomas. What kind of regime starts their 1st year and have a chance to get a young QB with a top 2 pick and takes an undersized DE? It was just an absolute boneheaded decision by a front office who have no idea what they are doing.

We could have easily kept Buckner but chose Armstead and Jimmie Ward instead. Neither are on the team anymore and are replacement level players while Buckner makes All Pro's.

The Trey Lance trade was the worst NFL draft trade EVER.

Solomon Thomas is a top 10 NFL draft bust of all time. 3rd overall pick who is barely a NFL replacement level player.

What kind of egotistical lunatic would turn down Tom freaking Brady for Jimmy Garrapolo when Brady wanted to come here?? Also keep in mind Brady came with Gronkowski. But no, Shanahan thought he could out think everyone else and scheme his way to a SB.

One of those moves would get most front offices fired nevermind 5. Then add in all the dozens of 2nd and 3rd round picks who were complete busts and it's amazing these guys are still here.

Make as many excuses as you want but these guys have made the worst moves out of any regime in football and it's not even close.

Worst NFL draft trade was probably NO for Ricky Williams.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Ok, a lot of teams passed on Mahomes, it was their first year, s**t happens.
Again first year, fact is Thomas is still in the league as for Foster they were given bad info by Saban
The 49ers weren't gonna be able to afford Buckner with the guys they had or were to have to pay
Kinlaw was bad I agree
No guarantee they win anything with Brady, and they just went to a SB
Yes it was a bad trade
I agree they need to do better drafting in the first 3 rounds
Aiyuk extension was a bad one but it didn't hurt us financially like everyone likes to say

Darnold? Who cares, Brock is the teams franchise QB whether people want to admit it, he has proven he's worth the deal
You're the one who wanted us in your dream scenario to keep Hargrave around but now it was a bad deal?
Hufanga was never being retained for what he got, he's no better in coverage than Brown & Mustapha, and is injury prine
Dre was offered more money and decided to be the #1 LB can't fault him for wanting that
Collins loss did hurt I agree

Really? Not the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Browns, Titans, Colts, Dolphins, Cowboys, Cardinals, Saints, or Vikings? All have had horrible drafts picks and/or free agent signings/huge extensions, c'mon dude get real.

Yes they have made bad moves but none as big as the whiffs we have made.

Yes, alot of teams passed on Mahomes but how many teams needed a QB? How many teams had a guy like Brian Hoyer as their starter? Hell, taking Trubisky would have been a 100x better pick than Solomon Thomas. What kind of regime starts their 1st year and have a chance to get a young QB with a top 2 pick and takes an undersized DE? It was just an absolute boneheaded decision by a front office who have no idea what they are doing.

We could have easily kept Buckner but chose Armstead and Jimmie Ward instead. Neither are on the team anymore and are replacement level players while Buckner makes All Pro's.

The Trey Lance trade was the worst NFL draft trade EVER.

Solomon Thomas is a top 10 NFL draft bust of all time. 3rd overall pick who is barely a NFL replacement level player.

What kind of egotistical lunatic would turn down Tom freaking Brady for Jimmy Garrapolo when Brady wanted to come here?? Also keep in mind Brady came with Gronkowski. But no, Shanahan thought he could out think everyone else and scheme his way to a SB.

One of those moves would get most front offices fired nevermind 5. Then add in all the dozens of 2nd and 3rd round picks who were complete busts and it's amazing these guys are still here.

Make as many excuses as you want but these guys have made the worst moves out of any regime in football and it's not even close.

Worst NFL draft trade was probably NO for Ricky Williams.

I was gonna say that too, they sent their entire draft for Williams, I don't think they accomplished much at all, also the worst picks, like Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf weren't worse than what Kyle & John have done, I'm sure there's more than just that but those the 2 that come to mind.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Really? The worst? All time too right? So no one else has ever been as bad as you say Lynch & Shanahan have been?

No one knew for sure that Mahomes would be as good as he is, no guarantee he would have been as great here as he is in KC, I seriously can't take you serious, one minute you wanted Hargrave on the team, and the next you don't, no consistent at all, too all over the place.

Yes. The WORST the last 10 years and it's not even close.

2023 (3) Jake Moody
2023 (3) Cameron Latu
2022 (2) Drake Jackson
2022 (3) Tyrion Davis Price
2022 (3) Danny Gray
2021 (1.3) Trey Lance
2021 (3) Trey Sermon
2021 (3) Ambry Thomas
2020 (1.14) Javon Kinlaw
2019 (3) Jalen Hurd
2018 (2) Dante Pettis
2017 (1.3) Solomon Thomas
2017 (1.31) Reuben Foster
2017 (3) CJ Beathard

Find me a list like that then we will talk.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I was gonna say that too, they sent their entire draft for Williams, I don't think they accomplished much at all, also the worst picks, like Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf weren't worse than what Kyle & John have done, I'm sure there's more than just that but those the 2 that come to mind.

Ricky Williams had 10,000 rushing yards and 66 TDs. He was a beast of a RB and didn't cost 3- first round picks.

Russell and Leaf are better picks than Lance because neither of them took 3 - 1st round picks to acquire.

The Lance trade was the WORST draft trade in NFL history and it's not even close.

Easy. Look at Seattle from 2013 to 2021.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Wait, so you really think Darnold is better than Brock? GTFOH with that nonsense, you're clearly more of a whiner & hater than you are an actual fan cause you don't know ball and you flip flop.

How much better? Are they that much different?

Purdy at 53 mil or Darnold at 33 mil? Hmm

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Ricky Williams had 10,000 rushing yards and 66 TDs. He was a beast of a RB and didn't cost 3- first round picks.

Russell and Leaf are better picks than Lance because neither of them took 3 - 1st round picks to acquire.

The Lance trade was the WORST draft trade in NFL history and it's not even close.

Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson were worse because of Financials and it's not close. The Browns still cant cut Watson this year.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Really? The worst? All time too right? So no one else has ever been as bad as you say Lynch & Shanahan have been?

No one knew for sure that Mahomes would be as good as he is, no guarantee he would have been as great here as he is in KC, I seriously can't take you serious, one minute you wanted Hargrave on the team, and the next you don't, no consistent at all, too all over the place.

And yes, I wanted Hargrave on the team. Same with Maliek Collins. We should have kept them both to compete for a home SB this year instead of trotting out the garbage we did at DT this year.

Hargrave was still productive for Minny with 28 tackles, 4 sacks and 31 pressures and Collins was a beast with 8 sacks and 28 pressures.

But instead Lynch gutted the team when we should have loaded up for a home SB. Gut the team after this year but losing out on a home SB is as stupid as it gets. But not surprising from this front office.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Ricky Williams had 10,000 rushing yards and 66 TDs. He was a beast of a RB and didn't cost 3- first round picks.

Russell and Leaf are better picks than Lance because neither of them took 3 - 1st round picks to acquire.

The Lance trade was the WORST draft trade in NFL history and it's not even close.

Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson were worse because of Financials and it's not close. The Browns still cant cut Watson this year.

Oh ok. Those guys were draft picks?? Get on the same page man.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Oh ok. Those guys were draft picks?? Get on the same page man.

Cost both teams a ton of draft picks. So yah it's a draft trade.

Its actually worse to trade for a guy who's gonna command a huge salary vs taking a shot on a rook with a low contract. You can easily move on just like 9ers did. Especially worse if you are dumb enough to guarantee him the whole contract.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Really? The worst? All time too right? So no one else has ever been as bad as you say Lynch & Shanahan have been?

No one knew for sure that Mahomes would be as good as he is, no guarantee he would have been as great here as he is in KC, I seriously can't take you serious, one minute you wanted Hargrave on the team, and the next you don't, no consistent at all, too all over the place.

Yes. The WORST the last 10 years and it's not even close.

2023 (3) Jake Moody
2023 (3) Cameron Latu
2022 (2) Drake Jackson
2022 (3) Tyrion Davis Price
2022 (3) Danny Gray
2021 (1.3) Trey Lance
2021 (3) Trey Sermon
2021 (3) Ambry Thomas
2020 (1.14) Javon Kinlaw
2019 (3) Jalen Hurd
2018 (2) Dante Pettis
2017 (1.3) Solomon Thomas
2017 (1.31) Reuben Foster
2017 (3) CJ Beathard

Find me a list like that then we will talk.

People are defending this regime by pointing to two superbowl appearances and the following players they drafted or picked up in free agency that have kept this franchise competitive.

purdy
deebo
aiyuk
cmc
Kittle
Trent
greenlaw
warner
bosa

am is I missing anything else? Maybe sanders? Hufuanga? Shanahan and lynch have been able to survive the garbage drafts with the above moves. Now that the core outside of Purdy are either gone or old, I'm curious to see where this team goes.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Really? The worst? All time too right? So no one else has ever been as bad as you say Lynch & Shanahan have been?

No one knew for sure that Mahomes would be as good as he is, no guarantee he would have been as great here as he is in KC, I seriously can't take you serious, one minute you wanted Hargrave on the team, and the next you don't, no consistent at all, too all over the place.

Yes. The WORST the last 10 years and it's not even close.

2023 (3) Jake Moody
2023 (3) Cameron Latu
2022 (2) Drake Jackson
2022 (3) Tyrion Davis Price
2022 (3) Danny Gray
2021 (1.3) Trey Lance
2021 (3) Trey Sermon
2021 (3) Ambry Thomas
2020 (1.14) Javon Kinlaw
2019 (3) Jalen Hurd
2018 (2) Dante Pettis
2017 (1.3) Solomon Thomas
2017 (1.31) Reuben Foster
2017 (3) CJ Beathard

Find me a list like that then we will talk.

People are defending this regime by pointing to two superbowl appearances and the following players they drafted or picked up in free agency that have kept this franchise competitive.

purdy
deebo
aiyuk
cmc
Kittle
Trent
greenlaw
warner
bosa

am is I missing anything else? Maybe sanders? Hufuanga? Shanahan and lynch have been able to survive the garbage drafts with the above moves. Now that the core outside of Purdy are either gone or old, I'm curious to see where this team goes.

You're missing DMo, Green, Collins, West, Stout, Jauan, Juice, Mooney, hell even Pearsall & Puni have upside, can't throw away the last 2 drafts as if they're busts when they've only played 1 and 2 full seasons, you can't judge draft picks based on just 1 or 2 seasons, team has had a good amount of successful UDFAs like Tonges, Bourne, Breida, Mason, the fact that they were so injured and still won 12 games is a show of how good Kyle is as a HC.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Ricky Williams had 10,000 rushing yards and 66 TDs. He was a beast of a RB and didn't cost 3- first round picks.

Russell and Leaf are better picks than Lance because neither of them took 3 - 1st round picks to acquire.

The Lance trade was the WORST draft trade in NFL history and it's not even close.

Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson were worse because of Financials and it's not close. The Browns still cant cut Watson this year.

And the Browns gave up way more than the 49ers did, they gave up 3 1sts, a 3rd and another mid round pick where the 49ers gave up 2 additional 1sts, and a 3rd, I seriously don't see how the Lance deal is the worse deal ever, or how Lynch & Kyle are somehow worse than the likes of the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Browns, Titans, Colts, Dolphins, Cowboys, Cardinals, Saints, or Vikings from the past 10 years, draft and/or FA moves, I bet he'll say "hey they took chances with big names FAs but when the 49ers do it and it misses then they're worse than those, same with draft picks, can't talk sense into this guy, he's a casual fan, or a fan of another team acting like he's a 49ers fan.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Ricky Williams had 10,000 rushing yards and 66 TDs. He was a beast of a RB and didn't cost 3- first round picks.

Russell and Leaf are better picks than Lance because neither of them took 3 - 1st round picks to acquire.

The Lance trade was the WORST draft trade in NFL history and it's not even close.

Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson were worse because of Financials and it's not close. The Browns still cant cut Watson this year.

And the Browns gave up way more than the 49ers did, they gave up 3 1sts, a 3rd and another mid round pick where the 49ers gave up 2 additional 1sts, and a 3rd, I seriously don't see how the Lance deal is the worse deal ever, or how Lynch & Kyle are somehow worse than the likes of the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Browns, Titans, Colts, Dolphins, Cowboys, Cardinals, Saints, or Vikings from the past 10 years, draft and/or FA moves, I bet he'll say "hey they took chances with big names FAs but when the 49ers do it and it misses then they're worse than those, same with draft picks, can't talk sense into this guy, he's a casual fan, or a fan of another team acting like he's a 49ers fan.

Show me a list of draft picks worse than those?

We are bottom 5 in the league for drafting players and actually having them play a game. Thats a FACT.

Im not the one being emotional and a homer. I'm saying it how it is. You are the one who is not able to have a conversation because nothing this franchise does is wrong.

And then the old "not a 49ers fan" is brought up. Typical.