John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by sick9erfan:
I feel like the inevitable conclusion to Lynch is Kyle finally getting fed up with the draft strategy and asking for full control. Probably next time he is up for a new contract maybe sooner. The best friendships in the world can't survive this level of failure. I personally like both but absolutely think Kyle is more valuable to the franchise.

Kyle already has full control more or less.

As far as who's more valuable I don't think thats even debatable if Lynch left tomorrow it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other.

Actually the team would get better by that subtraction.

Maybe depending on what type of GM they replaced hin with.

One that Kyle approves of.

Lynch may influence Kyle in certain situations but Shanahan has the final word.

Losing Adam Peters was a blow. He was very good in scouting and pro personnel. We need someone to replace him.

I don't think many fans realize the impact the drain on personnel in the FO has had on this franchise. You just can't keep training people and then losing them, only to start over again.

I agree completely other than Peter's being much of a loss and I think Lynch's influence has been a detriment to Kyle on more than one occasion.

That is speculation. Got any evidence to support it?

HOLY FK: I see what it is now…..*Member* is a new person….All the new people come and post a bunch of bullchit so the guys that have been here for a while or long time think they're people that got kicked out!!!! Actually makes sense.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by sick9erfan:
I feel like the inevitable conclusion to Lynch is Kyle finally getting fed up with the draft strategy and asking for full control. Probably next time he is up for a new contract maybe sooner. The best friendships in the world can't survive this level of failure. I personally like both but absolutely think Kyle is more valuable to the franchise.

Kyle already has full control more or less.

As far as who's more valuable I don't think thats even debatable if Lynch left tomorrow it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other.

Actually the team would get better by that subtraction.

Maybe depending on what type of GM they replaced hin with.

One that Kyle approves of.

Lynch may influence Kyle in certain situations but Shanahan has the final word.

Losing Adam Peters was a blow. He was very good in scouting and pro personnel. We need someone to replace him.

I don't think many fans realize the impact the drain on personnel in the FO has had on this franchise. You just can't keep training people and then losing them, only to start over again.

I agree completely other than Peter's being much of a loss and I think Lynch's influence has been a detriment to Kyle on more than one occasion.

That is speculation. Got any evidence to support it?

Of course I don't have any evidence and its speculation thats why I said I think instead of I know.

I certainly don't think its a stretch that Lynch influenced him in regards to the Jimmy G. trade,when Cousins was always Kyle's end game and they "joked" that Kyle was in mourning after the trade.

The same goes for the Lance selection both moves that were detrimental to winning championships.

Originally posted by Patton:
HOLY FK: I see what it is now…..*Member* is a new person….All the new people come and post a bunch of bullchit so the guys that have been here for a while or long time think they're people that got kicked out!!!! Actually makes sense.

You've been banned multiple times, and you stalked a high school kid.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Patton:
HOLY FK: I see what it is now…..*Member* is a new person….All the new people come and post a bunch of bullchit so the guys that have been here for a while or long time think they're people that got kicked out!!!! Actually makes sense.

You've been banned multiple times, and you stalked a high school kid.

Pardon?? Let's hear it

Updated the fail list:

*forgot about Azeez. He would be pretty nice to have around now.

Not signing Tom Brady and rather chose Jimmy G
Not trading for Stafford and rather chose Jimmy G
Traded Deforest Bucker
Let Mike McGlinchey leave for 17.5 mil per year
Sign Colton McKivitz for 15 mil per year
Let Talanoa Hufunga leave
Let DJ Jones leave
Let Azeez Al-Shaair leave
Let Arden Key leave
Let Samson Ebukam leave
Let Charles Omenihu leave
Cut DJ Reed
Cut Leonard Floyd
Cut Maliek Collins
Cut Javon Hargrave
Cut Arik Armstead
Let Woerner leave 3 years 12 mil
Signed Luke Farrell 3 years 20 mil
Solomon Thomas 1.3
Reuben Foster 1.31
CJ Beathard 3.104
Joe Williams 4.121
Dante Pettis 2.44
Jalen Hurd 3.67
Mitch Wishnowski 4.110
Javon Kinlaw 1.14
Trey Lance 1.3
Trey Sermon 3.88
Ambry Thomas 3.102
Drake Jackson 2.61
Tyrion Davis Price 3.93
Danny Gray 3.105
Jake Moody 3.99
Cameron Latu 3.101
Isaac Guerrendo 4.125
Jacob Cowing 4.135
Mykel Williams 1.11??
Nick Martin 3.75

Not even including the dozens of busted picks. This is a top 10 D with just the guys we let leave

DE- Nick Bosa / Charles Omenihu
DT- Deforest Buckner / DJ Jones
DT- Arik Armstead / Maliek Collins
DE- Arden Key / Samson Ebukam

LB- Fred Warner
LB- Azeez Al Shaair

CB- D. Lenoir
CB- Reynardo Green
CB- DJ Reed
SS- Malik Mustapha
FS- Talanoa Hufunga

Instead of keeping these guys they drafted guys like Javon Kinlaw, Drake Jackson, Dee Winters, Nick Martin, Ja'iyr Brown, Upton Stout on so on.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Not even including the dozens of busted picks. This is a top 10 D with just the guys we let leave

DE- Nick Bosa / Charles Omenihu
DT- Deforest Buckner / DJ Jones
DT- Arik Armstead / Maliek Collins
DE- Arden Key / Samson Ebukam

LB- Fred Warner
LB- Azeez Al Shaair

CB- D. Lenoir
CB- Reynardo Green
CB- DJ Reed
SS- Malik Mustapha
FS- Talanoa Hufunga

Instead of keeping these guys they drafted guys like Javon Kinlaw, Drake Jackson, Dee Winters, Nick Martin, Ja'iyr Brown, Upton Stout on so on.

Maybe explain how we could have fitted Bosa, Buckner, Armstead, Warner, Hufuanga under the salary cap?

Originally posted by English:
Maybe explain how we could have fitted Bosa, Buckner, Armstead, Warner, Hufuanga under the salary cap?

Easy.

By not signing Aiuyk, Deebo and an aging Trent Williams and even CMC to massive extensions.

We are screwed moving forward because we paid Purdy a year before we had to as well. Shanahan has proven he can win with guys like Darnold and Mac Jones. Now we have Purdy who is made of glass being paid 50 mil a year and we don't have the front office that can draft young replacements.

Bill Walsh would have never given out those extensions. But Bill Walsh could also draft players to replace the guys he left go.

This regime has literally missed on 9 of every 10 of their decisions.

Why do you think York told these clowns that they can't spend any more money? Because they have proven they have no idea what they are doing,

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by English:
Maybe explain how we could have fitted Bosa, Buckner, Armstead, Warner, Hufuanga under the salary cap?

Easy.

By not signing Aiuyk, Deebo and an aging Trent Williams and even CMC to massive extensions.

We are screwed moving forward because we paid Purdy a year before we had to as well. Shanahan has proven he can win with guys like Darnold and Mac Jones. Now we have Purdy who is made of glass being paid 50 mil a year and we don't have the front office that can draft young replacements.

Bill Walsh would have never given out those extensions. But Bill Walsh could also draft players to replace the guys he left go.

This regime has literally missed on 9 of every 10 of their decisions.

Why do you think York told these clowns that they can't spend any more money? Because they have proven they have no idea what they are doing,

We won zero games with Darnold.

Half the moves you listed in your first post were flat-out the correct move (letting McGlinchey walk for massive money was a "mistake" seriously? Lmao)

We were going to trade for Stafford and then the Lions broke their promise and traded him to the Rams before Shanahan even had a chance to match the final offer.

85% of the players we let "leave" or "cut" were either not that good or not nearly worth their price tag. If we had let Aiyuk, Williams or CMC walk you would just add them to your list of "should've kept them!"

3rd and 4th round picks are going to be coin flips.

Also: Brady's 2019 season was arguably the worst season of his career. It's not a shock that 31 teams weren't in on him.

I'm all for criticizing our current regime when it's warranted, regardless of who it is and how well they're doing. But you're being ridiculous.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
We won zero games with Darnold.

Half the moves you listed in your first post were flat-out the correct move (letting McGlinchey walk for massive money was a "mistake" seriously? Lmao)

We were going to trade for Stafford and then the Lions broke their promise and traded him to the Rams before Shanahan even had a chance to match the final offer.

85% of the players we let "leave" or "cut" were either not that good or not nearly worth their price tag. If we had let Aiyuk, Williams or CMC walk you would just add them to your list of "should've kept them!"

3rd and 4th round picks are going to be coin flips.

Also: Brady's 2019 season was arguably the worst season of his career. It's not a shock that 31 teams weren't in on him.

I'm all for criticizing our current regime when it's warranted, regardless of who it is and how well they're doing. But you're being ridiculous.

Are you for real?

You're telling me you wouldn't take half these guys right now?

-Mike McGlinchey at 17.5 mil per year
Or Colton McKivitz at 15 mil per year

-Charlie Woerner at 4 mil per year or
Luke Farrell at 6.6 mil per year

Tom Brady - Jimmy Garappolo
Deforest Buckner - Javon Kinlaw
Talanoa Hufunga - Ja'iyr Brown
DJ Jones - CJ West
Azeez Al-Shaair - Dee Winters
Arden Key - Drake Jackson
Samson Ebukam - Robert Beal
Charles Omenihu - Sam Okuayinonu
DJ Reed - Upton Stout
Leonard Floyd - Mykel Williams
Maliek Collins - Alfred Collins
Javon Hargrave - Kalia Davis
Arik Armstead - Jordan Elliot

Its one thing if we replaced those guys with adequate starters through the draft but literally every player this front office took to replace them are busts.

The worst decision they made was choosing Garappolo over Brady. We win a SB with Brady but Shanahan thought he was the smartest coach ever and could scheme his way to a win.

And yes, 3rd and 4th round pics are coin flips. But you'd think we hit on more than one player (Warner) in 8 years of drafting those rounds

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Are you for real?

You're telling me you wouldn't take half these guys right now?

-Mike McGlinchey at 17.5 mil per year
Or Colton McKivitz at 15 mil per year

-Charlie Woerner at 4 mil per year or
Luke Farrell at 6.6 mil per year

Tom Brady - Jimmy Garappolo
Deforest Buckner - Javon Kinlaw
Talanoa Hufunga - Ja'iyr Brown
DJ Jones - CJ West
Azeez Al-Shaair - Dee Winters
Arden Key - Drake Jackson
Samson Ebukam - Robert Beal
Charles Omenihu - Sam Okuayinonu
DJ Reed - Upton Stout
Leonard Floyd - Mykel Williams
Maliek Collins - Alfred Collins
Javon Hargrave - Kalia Davis
Arik Armstead - Jordan Elliot

Its one thing if we replaced those guys with adequate starters through the draft but literally every player this front office took to replace them are busts.

The worst decision they made was choosing Garappolo over Brady. We win a SB with Brady but Shanahan thought he was the smartest coach ever and could scheme his way to a win.

And yes, 3rd and 4th round pics are coin flips. But you'd think we hit on more than one player (Warner) in 8 years of drafting those rounds

Let me wipe some fog from your eyes.

Your first two comparisons are both WRONG:
McGlinchey is ranked #32 among all OTs.
McKivitz is ranked #15, and he cost $2.5 million less than Glinch.

Worner is ranked #61 among TEs.
Farrell is ranked #32. Easily worth the difference in price.

The rest of your list has some hits, but a lot of misses, particularly in analyzing this year's rookies who are still developing. Mykel Williams was a stud who was already better than Floyd. A. Collins has been playing as well as M. Collins did while he was here. Maliek has gone on to play well elsewhere but there was no crystal ball for that. CJ West has looked very promising since his injury healed. He will be getting more and more snaps as we go on.

I won't go on as the rest of your assertions have all been answered.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Are you for real?

You're telling me you wouldn't take half these guys right now?

-Mike McGlinchey at 17.5 mil per year
Or Colton McKivitz at 15 mil per year

-Charlie Woerner at 4 mil per year or
Luke Farrell at 6.6 mil per year

Tom Brady - Jimmy Garappolo
Deforest Buckner - Javon Kinlaw
Talanoa Hufunga - Ja'iyr Brown
DJ Jones - CJ West
Azeez Al-Shaair - Dee Winters
Arden Key - Drake Jackson
Samson Ebukam - Robert Beal
Charles Omenihu - Sam Okuayinonu
DJ Reed - Upton Stout
Leonard Floyd - Mykel Williams
Maliek Collins - Alfred Collins
Javon Hargrave - Kalia Davis
Arik Armstead - Jordan Elliot

Its one thing if we replaced those guys with adequate starters through the draft but literally every player this front office took to replace them are busts.

The worst decision they made was choosing Garappolo over Brady. We win a SB with Brady but Shanahan thought he was the smartest coach ever and could scheme his way to a win.

And yes, 3rd and 4th round pics are coin flips. But you'd think we hit on more than one player (Warner) in 8 years of drafting those rounds

Almost every player listed on the left side of your list was due for a big payday and were replaced by guys on rookie contracts. If they had retained everybody in that column they probably would have been $100 million over the cap, or more. But I guess that reality doesn't fit in with your reality, where everybody should have gotten paid and the team should have drafted anybody who, in retrospect, turned out to be better than the guy they drafted.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Almost every player listed on the left side of your list was due for a big payday and were replaced by guys on rookie contracts. If they had retained everybody in that column they probably would have been $100 million over the cap, or more. But I guess that reality doesn't fit in with your reality, where everybody should have gotten paid and the team should have drafted anybody who, in retrospect, turned out to be better than the guy they drafted.

100 million? lol. Ok

J-Phil already looking good with Philly... still not sure why Lynch did not trade for this guy... of ALL people, he shoulda known BEST and remembered how Simeone Rice helped Tampa Bay become more of a Legit D...

Miami would have sent us Jae-Phil because we'd most likely be drafting ahead of the Eagles and our 3rd round would have been at a higher spot..