John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Silky:
No, something is amiss in Superbowl games. Their draft strategy, FA approach, and trading approach have been fine. Definitely on par or better than the rest of the league.

We wouldn't be having this type of conversation had Jimmy G not turn into a turtle in 2019 and we did not make back breaking mistakes during the 2023 SB. We can argue those mistakes night and day, but some were objectively not Kyle's fault. They were not Lynch's fault (i.e muffed punt, CMC fumble, Greenlaw's injury). I'd be willing to argue had 1 of those errors do not happen, we win the SB.

It's just crazy to me we have fans that want John and Kyle gone. They'll get it together and at least make one more serious playoff run before one of them gets tired of this and quits lol They won't get fired.

Just a couple huge mental errors by some players and this GM/Coach combo would be regarded as one of the best ever. Do I wish they hit on more draft picks? Of course. John did mess up the Buckner situation. There were non-player mistakes, but man this combo got us there multiple times. Sometimes the players just need to come through for them

I mentioned this to NY and I'll mention it again:

The people complaining wouldn't stop even if we had won those two Super Bowls. They would move the goalposts to outer space and still insist that they need to be fired.

Lol that's fair. That's the internet in a nutshell. Or maybe just Niner fans

Originally posted by Koldo:
Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

This team was a dumpster fire of s**t before Kyle showed up.

Originally posted by Silky:
Maybe we did have the same offer. Maybe the Jets said "throw in something else to tip the needle in your direction" and John said no. They then picked the Cowboys because we have their old coach on our roster and they just look really bad as an organization right now. That probably isn't what happened, but you never f'in know why stuff went down the way it did.

If the Jets said no to us for that reason then they're a trash franchise that deserves to have their playoff drought tripled.

More than likely, if we offered the same thing, they probably picked Dallas because their 2026 2nd had a high chance of being better than ours and the condition on the 2027 1st makes that 1st more attractive than ours (basically one of two teams need to collapse for that to turn into a premium pick).

It's like the Khalil Mack trade. People believe this false narrative that Mark Davis didn't want to trade with "the other Bay Area team" but I don't buy it at all. I think they simply believed Mack on the Bears would net them higher 1sts than Mack on the 49ers.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
All my NY friends would kill to have Shanny and lynch. While no one is perfect we have consistently been talking about as one of the better teams and going to SBs, playoff games snd NFCCs. Currently 6-3 with backups to the backups playing.

anyone being objective would agree overall they've done a hell of a job…folks get all emotional in the moment and there's a couple unserious posters in here.

it's funny how winning ONE more game makes Kyle and Co untouchable and losing ONE game makes them s**t….Like I I said very unserious and emotional based thoughts.

Yeah... I'm not buying that

Plenty of fans around the NFL view Kyle as a choke artist.

But, hey, at least he's the best young offensive mind in football

Plenty of fans are dumb.

You really don't think the Jets/Giants would take Kyle in a heartbeat over what they currently have? Why??

Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

I'd love to see if Bills fans talk like this about McDermott.

If I were a Bills fan, I would definitely want McDermott fired.

I'm 50/50 on that one. The Bills, like us, run into Mahomes and Reid every year in the playoffs/AFC Championship. McDermott and Allen have lost what, 3-4 years in the playoffs to them? Sure, they could fire McDermott, but that won't make Mahomes and Reid go away. The Bills and Niners are just super unlucky to have had some super teams that got one-upped by the Chiefs. I think McDermott is a fine coach, but not as good as Kyle. Kyle at least advanced a few times further than him. He also did not have to play Mahomes during early rounds of the playoffs.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Silky:
Maybe we did have the same offer. Maybe the Jets said "throw in something else to tip the needle in your direction" and John said no. They then picked the Cowboys because we have their old coach on our roster and they just look really bad as an organization right now. That probably isn't what happened, but you never f'in know why stuff went down the way it did.

If the Jets said no to us for that reason then they're a trash franchise that deserves to have their playoff drought tripled.

More than likely, if we offered the same thing, they probably picked Dallas because their 2026 2nd had a high chance of being better than ours and the condition on the 2027 1st makes that 1st more attractive than ours (basically one of two teams need to collapse for that to turn into a premium pick).

It's like the Khalil Mack trade. People believe this false narrative that Mark Davis didn't want to trade with "the other Bay Area team" but I don't buy it at all. I think they simply believed Mack on the Bears would net them higher 1sts than Mack on the 49ers.

I just imagine their FO sitting in a nice conference room (this is all hypothetical of course). They're weighing their options. They have the same offers from the Niners and Cowboys. Both NFC Teams which is probably what they wanted. Someone had to make a decision. I really do think some intern or coach would be like "Well the Niners have Salah on their roster and F that guy." That's my .02. People are petty.

Now none of that probably happened, but yea people would surprise you.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Silky:
No, something is amiss in Superbowl games. Their draft strategy, FA approach, and trading approach have been fine. Definitely on par or better than the rest of the league.

We wouldn't be having this type of conversation had Jimmy G not turn into a turtle in 2019 and we did not make back breaking mistakes during the 2023 SB. We can argue those mistakes night and day, but some were objectively not Kyle's fault. They were not Lynch's fault (i.e muffed punt, CMC fumble, Greenlaw's injury). I'd be willing to argue had 1 of those errors do not happen, we win the SB.

It's just crazy to me we have fans that want John and Kyle gone. They'll get it together and at least make one more serious playoff run before one of them gets tired of this and quits lol They won't get fired.

Just a couple huge mental errors by some players and this GM/Coach combo would be regarded as one of the best ever. Do I wish they hit on more draft picks? Of course. John did mess up the Buckner situation. There were non-player mistakes, but man this combo got us there multiple times. Sometimes the players just need to come through for them

I mentioned this to NY and I'll mention it again:

The people complaining wouldn't stop even if we had won those two Super Bowls. They would move the goalposts to outer space and still insist that they need to be fired.

Lol that's fair. That's the internet in a nutshell. Or maybe just Niner fans

It's all of social media, it's way easier to be a stubborn a*****e troll than be an objective person online.

It's never really about the outcome and more about the reaction they get by saying something stupid.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Silky:
I'm not going to quote anyone, but i'm seeing a lot of complaining about QW and the Cowboys making the move. Comparing our FA and draft strategy to theirs is silly. QW might turn into a pineapple in that defense. You may never see him the same way again (which is what I think will happen). I told myself i'll be just fine if we do not do anything, and I am.

Making a big splash trade was not necessary this year due to all of the injuries. Trades are meant to enhance your team, not save it. Not performing a blockbuster trade also does not mean the FO is throwing in the towel. That's just a silly take I keep seeing pop-up as well.

I think Lynch has been great and sometimes we fans need to take a step back and look how other teams view us. We're respected and "always there" (according to my Colts fan coworkers. I live in Indy). Lynch is viewed as a top-notch GM and you just don't get rid of that. Same as Kyle. I, for one, will enjoy the rest of this season and hope we are a 2007/2011 NYG Team that gets hot in the playoffs. I actually think they are capable of that once the offense gets fully healthy.

All my NY friends would kill to have Shanny and lynch. While no one is perfect we have consistently been talking about as one of the better teams and going to SBs, playoff games snd NFCCs. Currently 6-3 with backups to the backups playing.

anyone being objective would agree overall they've done a hell of a job…folks get all emotional in the moment and there's a couple unserious posters in here.

it's funny how winning ONE more game makes Kyle and Co untouchable and losing ONE game makes them s**t….Like I I said very unserious and emotional based thoughts.

Agree about some being way too emotional.

The only thing about this is that there are two different expectations from the NYJ to SF.

Just like there is with the say the SD Padres vs Yankees, Celtics vs WSH Bullets etc.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
All my NY friends would kill to have Shanny and lynch. While no one is perfect we have consistently been talking about as one of the better teams and going to SBs, playoff games snd NFCCs. Currently 6-3 with backups to the backups playing.

anyone being objective would agree overall they've done a hell of a job…folks get all emotional in the moment and there's a couple unserious posters in here.

it's funny how winning ONE more game makes Kyle and Co untouchable and losing ONE game makes them s**t….Like I I said very unserious and emotional based thoughts.

Yeah... I'm not buying that

Plenty of fans around the NFL view Kyle as a choke artist.

But, hey, at least he's the best young offensive mind in football

Plenty of fans are dumb.

You really don't think the Jets/Giants would take Kyle in a heartbeat over what they currently have? Why??

Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

I'd love to see if Bills fans talk like this about McDermott.

If I were a Bills fan, I would definitely want McDermott fired.

I'm 50/50 on that one. The Bills, like us, run into Mahomes and Reid every year in the playoffs/AFC Championship. McDermott and Allen have lost what, 3-4 years in the playoffs to them? Sure, they could fire McDermott, but that won't make Mahomes and Reid go away. The Bills and Niners are just super unlucky to have had some super teams that got one-upped by the Chiefs. I think McDermott is a fine coach, but not as good as Kyle. Kyle at least advanced a few times further than him. He also did not have to play Mahomes during early rounds of the playoffs.

There's simply not enough good HCs in the league…it's pretty obvious based on the amount of turnover every yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

This team was a dumpster fire of s**t before Kyle showed up.

Ben Johnson is doing a more impressive job in his first year as HC.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

This team was a dumpster fire of s**t before Kyle showed up.

Ben Johnson is doing a more impressive job in his first year as HC.

The Bears already had a #1 overall QB who went through his rookie season, a Pro Bowl running back, a good tight end (Kmet), a good WR (Moore), a Pro Bowl linebacker and a Pro Bowl edge rusher.

We had Buckner and Staley.

Come on.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

This team was a dumpster fire of s**t before Kyle showed up.

Ben Johnson is doing a more impressive job in his first year as HC.

Ben Johnson inherited nice offensive weapons in Moore, Swift, Williams (yes I like Caleb Williams), and a few nice lineman. I'm not saying he inherited the Pittsburgh Steelers in the same state Tomlin did, but the Bears were far from a rebuild. The 2017 Niners were, in fact, a dumpster fire and had almost no talent. At least none that I can think of

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

This team was a dumpster fire of s**t before Kyle showed up.

Ben Johnson is doing a more impressive job in his first year as HC.

Ben Johnson inherited nice offensive weapons in Moore, Swift, Williams (yes I like Caleb Williams), and a few nice lineman. I'm not saying he inherited the Pittsburgh Steelers in the same state Tomlin did, but the Bears were far from a rebuild. The 2017 Niners were, in fact, a dumpster fire and had almost no talent. At least none that I can think of

Jury is still out but that team was 5-12 last year

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

This team was a dumpster fire of s**t before Kyle showed up.

Ben Johnson is doing a more impressive job in his first year as HC.

Ben Johnson inherited nice offensive weapons in Moore, Swift, Williams (yes I like Caleb Williams), and a few nice lineman. I'm not saying he inherited the Pittsburgh Steelers in the same state Tomlin did, but the Bears were far from a rebuild. The 2017 Niners were, in fact, a dumpster fire and had almost no talent. At least none that I can think of

Buckner and Staley were pretty much our only prime talent in 2017. Bowman was washed and Kittle was a 5th round rookie.

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Probably, that doesn't mean he would make them SB contenders / champions.

This team was a dumpster fire of s**t before Kyle showed up.

Ben Johnson is doing a more impressive job in his first year as HC.

Ben Johnson inherited nice offensive weapons in Moore, Swift, Williams (yes I like Caleb Williams), and a few nice lineman. I'm not saying he inherited the Pittsburgh Steelers in the same state Tomlin did, but the Bears were far from a rebuild. The 2017 Niners were, in fact, a dumpster fire and had almost no talent. At least none that I can think of

Jury is still out but that team was 5-12 last year

Correct. And then Eberflus went to Dallas and now Cowboys fans are already done with him as defensive coordinator.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
They better hit on these picks this year or it's time to start having a serious conversation about replacing him, inspite of being Kyle's guy.

But, then again Stout is starting over Lucas to justify picks. So...

Just can't keep squandering numerous picks.

Stout is starting over Lucas cuz they see him as the future at the position. He's playing at a pretty high level for a rookie too. Lucas flashed in preseason and hade some plays when coming in for spot duty. Some of you are acting like the guy is an all pro sitting on the bench for crying out loud.

I think if you stop and analyze the drafting these guys have done when they think their roster is pretty much complete vs when they think they need to rebuild or retool, the results appear vastly different.

I also think they learned some hard lessons from the early whiffs - whether drafting tweeners, off the field red flags or guys who aren't all in on football.

Idk

Seeing it for myself though in limited time Lucas has made more plays and has gotten beat less. That's all I can say for certain.

We all have have favorites in life, co-workers, friends, relatives. It might be he fits a long-term plan etc.