John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by 91til:
they don't, it's just a way to dig Lynch for the pick lol

Originally posted by captveg:
It's such a moronic, un-nuanced take.

Those

Nobody in the right mind believes JL (very bright guy) picked ST just cause he went to class with him

Originally posted by braap49er:

This is exactly why I'm dead inside pic.twitter.com/qfJjEE5BkF

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) May 25, 2025

i'm reminded of when shanny bristled at the notion sat next to lynch, that SF can't win 'big' games. he said we have won plenty, but everyone knows the game in question is the SB. for whatever reason, he's had a history of disaster or coulda woulda shouldas, in super bowls. he even had to get into talking about that during his intro presser to SF, and it's been an ongoing topic.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by braap49er:

This is exactly why I'm dead inside pic.twitter.com/qfJjEE5BkF

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) May 25, 2025

i'm reminded of when shanny bristled at the notion sat next to lynch, that SF can't win 'big' games. he said we have won plenty, but everyone knows the game in question is the SB. for whatever reason, he's had a history of disaster or coulda woulda shouldas, in super bowls. he even had to get into talking about that during his intro presser to SF, and it's been an ongoing topic.

I know people call him a choker, & even some fans said Harbaugh would have won a SB with the roster we had, yet he had a great roster in 2012, and choked then too, the fact that they threw the ball 4 times on their final redzone drive makes zero sense, not when we have Kap & Gore running so well, maybe people just will blame Greg Roman, but Harbaugh refused to fire him, which led the issues we saw in 2014.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by braap49er:

This is exactly why I'm dead inside pic.twitter.com/qfJjEE5BkF

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) May 25, 2025

i'm reminded of when shanny bristled at the notion sat next to lynch, that SF can't win 'big' games. he said we have won plenty, but everyone knows the game in question is the SB. for whatever reason, he's had a history of disaster or coulda woulda shouldas, in super bowls. he even had to get into talking about that during his intro presser to SF, and it's been an ongoing topic.

I know people call him a choker, & even some fans said Harbaugh would have won a SB with the roster we had, yet he had a great roster in 2012, and choked then too, the fact that they threw the ball 4 times on their final redzone drive makes zero sense, not when we have Kap & Gore running so well, maybe people just will blame Greg Roman, but Harbaugh refused to fire him, which led the issues we saw in 2014.

i'm at the point where it is what it is, so folks can editorialize or fill in the blanks how they wish. i didn't look at the harbs deal as a choke, cuz we were getting blown out and came back. usually a choke is a lead lost. for example, in the NBA the player recently did the choke symbol on the court, cuz a large lead was lost late. so i never viewed that one as a choke.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by braap49er:

This is exactly why I'm dead inside pic.twitter.com/qfJjEE5BkF

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) May 25, 2025

i'm reminded of when shanny bristled at the notion sat next to lynch, that SF can't win 'big' games. he said we have won plenty, but everyone knows the game in question is the SB. for whatever reason, he's had a history of disaster or coulda woulda shouldas, in super bowls. he even had to get into talking about that during his intro presser to SF, and it's been an ongoing topic.

I know people call him a choker, & even some fans said Harbaugh would have won a SB with the roster we had, yet he had a great roster in 2012, and choked then too, the fact that they threw the ball 4 times on their final redzone drive makes zero sense, not when we have Kap & Gore running so well, maybe people just will blame Greg Roman, but Harbaugh refused to fire him, which led the issues we saw in 2014.

i'm at the point where it is what it is, so folks can editorialize or fill in the blanks how they wish. i didn't look at the harbs deal as a choke, cuz we were getting blown out and came back. usually a choke is a lead lost. for example, in the NBA the player recently did the choke symbol on the court, cuz a large lead was lost late. so i never viewed that one as a choke.

Would you view Shanahan more favorably if we had gotten blown out in both of the Super Bowls he's been the HC for?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Would you view Shanahan more favorably if we had gotten blown out in both of the Super Bowls he's been the HC for?

i view shanny favorably. but i do understand he has the choke label, ppl can debate if he has that fairly or not. blown out isn't a choke. choke is the knicks losing their big lead late, and the guy does the choke sign. you can box prime mike tyson and lose in 2 seconds, no one will say you choked. they'll say you got knocked the bleep out.

Probably waiting to see / feel how players look in camp... still think Lynch has a safety on his mind but not ready to sign just yet

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Probably waiting to see / feel how players look in camp... still think Lynch has a safety on his mind but not ready to sign just yet

I tend to think that Lynch keeps an open mind at this time of year. That being said, I think it is fairly clear that the team are not looking to gamble either salary cap or draft picks unnecessarily. So, as you say, much will depend on how the youngsters from this year and last year's draft are looking.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Probably waiting to see / feel how players look in camp... still think Lynch has a safety on his mind but not ready to sign just yet

I tend to think that Lynch keeps an open mind at this time of year. That being said, I think it is fairly clear that the team are not looking to gamble either salary cap or draft picks unnecessarily. So, as you say, much will depend on how the youngsters from this year and last year's draft are looking.

Exactly this. I think they would favor a kid on the roster over a vet playing better if the kid has potential, because really they are just trying to survive 4 weeks before Mustapha comes back.

The real question to me is what Saleh can get out of Brown.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by braap49er:

This is exactly why I'm dead inside pic.twitter.com/qfJjEE5BkF

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) May 25, 2025

i'm reminded of when shanny bristled at the notion sat next to lynch, that SF can't win 'big' games. he said we have won plenty, but everyone knows the game in question is the SB. for whatever reason, he's had a history of disaster or coulda woulda shouldas, in super bowls. he even had to get into talking about that during his intro presser to SF, and it's been an ongoing topic.

I love John Madden's response when asked about him not winning the big one. Which of the games isn't a big one or something along those lines.

Someone turn around my bad attitude and tell me this current Safety group has enough talent (& will be healthy enough) to make the kind of impact this D needs at the position and will not be routinely exposed. I need some reassurance because just not sensing it, though still a lot of time until the season starts.

Unless Mustapha, the seemingly most talented of the group, gets healthy enough to play early on and builds on what he showed his rookie season. Brown, I don't have much confidence unless he drastically improves in key areas (especially tackling and the angles he takes). He's also hurt - he's a big ? but am holding out hope. Then you've got the potential in the rookie from K State…hoping he can make a good transition to the NFL and be a force. Besides that, you have just a bunch of guys it seems like. Maybe one of the FAs will stand out, Pinnock or Grant?

Don't know the answer at this point in the offseason. Lynch being a Hall of Famer at the position would know better than anyone so just need to have faith I guess. Bring in a proven vet like Justin Simmons to hopefully bring some stability on the back end?

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Someone turn around my bad attitude and tell me this current Safety group has enough talent (& will be healthy enough) to make the kind of impact this D needs at the position and will not be routinely exposed. I need some reassurance because just not sensing it, though still a lot of time until the season starts.

Unless Mustapha, the seemingly most talented of the group, gets healthy enough to play early on and builds on what he showed his rookie season. Brown, I don't have much confidence unless he drastically improves in key areas (especially tackling and the angles he takes). He's also hurt - he's a big ? but am holding out hope. Then you've got the potential in the rookie from K State…hoping he can make a good transition to the NFL and be a force. Besides that, you have just a bunch of guys it seems like. Maybe one of the FAs will stand out, Pinnock or Grant?

Don't know the answer at this point in the offseason. Lynch being a Hall of Famer at the position would know better than anyone so just need to have faith I guess. Bring in a proven vet like Justin Simmons to hopefully bring some stability on the back end?

I think Saleh may fit Brown better, since his best play has been when things are simplified and that's what Saleh wants. Saleh also wants to keep everything in front of the safeties which suits Brown. Add to that that this is the 4rd DC in 4 years for all of these guys which will hurt everyone's performance.

My guesses:
- Mustapha misses the first 4 games and when he comes back he replaces Pinnock as a starter.
- Brown is best served as a back safety with things happening in front of him and keeping him out of the mix more. His struggles were more with coming up and filling on the run than picking up receivers and defending the pass.
- Pinnock is more of an up safety who Saleh will probably use more in attacking the line.
- Sigle is interesting because of his speed and past as an outside corner, but he was a late round pick because he takes bad angles and isn't long enough to go higher. I expect him to be Brown's first backup because of his speed even though his past play was better as an up safety.
- Grant good all-around veteran safety and good ST player
- Odum good all-around veteran safety and good ST player
- Mahoney in college he looked like a good back safety, been on the team for a year. Interesting prospect for this year, not a good sign that nothing has been heard about him though.

I doubt Simmons would choose the 49ers even if they offered him a shot.

I would not be surprised if the 49ers ran through some low cost castoffs from other teams for depth.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Someone turn around my bad attitude and tell me this current Safety group has enough talent (& will be healthy enough) to make the kind of impact this D needs at the position and will not be routinely exposed. I need some reassurance because just not sensing it, though still a lot of time until the season starts.

Unless Mustapha, the seemingly most talented of the group, gets healthy enough to play early on and builds on what he showed his rookie season. Brown, I don't have much confidence unless he drastically improves in key areas (especially tackling and the angles he takes). He's also hurt - he's a big ? but am holding out hope. Then you've got the potential in the rookie from K State…hoping he can make a good transition to the NFL and be a force. Besides that, you have just a bunch of guys it seems like. Maybe one of the FAs will stand out, Pinnock or Grant?

Don't know the answer at this point in the offseason. Lynch being a Hall of Famer at the position would know better than anyone so just need to have faith I guess. Bring in a proven vet like Justin Simmons to hopefully bring some stability on the back end?

I think Saleh may fit Brown better, since his best play has been when things are simplified and that's what Saleh wants. Saleh also wants to keep everything in front of the safeties which suits Brown. Add to that that this is the 4rd DC in 4 years for all of these guys which will hurt everyone's performance.

My guesses:
- Mustapha misses the first 4 games and when he comes back he replaces Pinnock as a starter.
- Brown is best served as a back safety with things happening in front of him and keeping him out of the mix more. His struggles were more with coming up and filling on the run than picking up receivers and defending the pass.
- Pinnock is more of an up safety who Saleh will probably use more in attacking the line.
- Sigle is interesting because of his speed and past as an outside corner, but he was a late round pick because he takes bad angles and isn't long enough to go higher. I expect him to be Brown's first backup because of his speed even though his past play was better as an up safety.
- Grant good all-around veteran safety and good ST player
- Odum good all-around veteran safety and good ST player
- Mahoney in college he looked like a good back safety, been on the team for a year. Interesting prospect for this year, not a good sign that nothing has been heard about him though.

I doubt Simmons would choose the 49ers even if they offered him a shot.

I would not be surprised if the 49ers ran through some low cost castoffs from other teams for depth.

Ok, nice reply and breakdown of the current S group. Needed the reminder of the Saleh factor and how he can (hopefully) have a good effect on a young guy like Brown. Really hoping so.

As for the other guys including the rookie, hoping one of them stands out and can be an asset/impact player for this D. A guy like Odum and what he's shown IMO is a pure Special Teamer and want to see him get as few snaps on D as possible. But again, maybe this D scheme under Saleh will help him out somehow.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Someone turn around my bad attitude and tell me this current Safety group has enough talent (& will be healthy enough) to make the kind of impact this D needs at the position and will not be routinely exposed. I need some reassurance because just not sensing it, though still a lot of time until the season starts.

Unless Mustapha, the seemingly most talented of the group, gets healthy enough to play early on and builds on what he showed his rookie season. Brown, I don't have much confidence unless he drastically improves in key areas (especially tackling and the angles he takes). He's also hurt - he's a big ? but am holding out hope. Then you've got the potential in the rookie from K State…hoping he can make a good transition to the NFL and be a force. Besides that, you have just a bunch of guys it seems like. Maybe one of the FAs will stand out, Pinnock or Grant?

Don't know the answer at this point in the offseason. Lynch being a Hall of Famer at the position would know better than anyone so just need to have faith I guess. Bring in a proven vet like Justin Simmons to hopefully bring some stability on the back end?

I think Saleh may fit Brown better, since his best play has been when things are simplified and that's what Saleh wants. Saleh also wants to keep everything in front of the safeties which suits Brown. Add to that that this is the 4rd DC in 4 years for all of these guys which will hurt everyone's performance.

My guesses:
- Mustapha misses the first 4 games and when he comes back he replaces Pinnock as a starter.
- Brown is best served as a back safety with things happening in front of him and keeping him out of the mix more. His struggles were more with coming up and filling on the run than picking up receivers and defending the pass.
- Pinnock is more of an up safety who Saleh will probably use more in attacking the line.
- Sigle is interesting because of his speed and past as an outside corner, but he was a late round pick because he takes bad angles and isn't long enough to go higher. I expect him to be Brown's first backup because of his speed even though his past play was better as an up safety.
- Grant good all-around veteran safety and good ST player
- Odum good all-around veteran safety and good ST player
- Mahoney in college he looked like a good back safety, been on the team for a year. Interesting prospect for this year, not a good sign that nothing has been heard about him though.

I doubt Simmons would choose the 49ers even if they offered him a shot.

I would not be surprised if the 49ers ran through some low cost castoffs from other teams for depth.

Agreed with everything you said, I see the team keeping all 5 on the 53, Brown, & Grant start, Pinnock, Sigle, & Odum are backups/ST players, Mustapha begins on PUP, who's spot does he take though? IDK, there'll be injuries by then, every team gets hit early with injuries, the good thing with keeping guys like BA & MM on PUP till season begins neither count towards the 8 max allowed players to come back from IR.