John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The excuse Lynch uses every single year is this. "There were several guys we were interested in. The opportunity didn't present itself. You have to stick true to your board." The draft didn't fall to him in each round in other words. To pick more offensive line early. Or to emphasize it.

I've said many times Puni is awesome. Better than where picked by far. A Pro Bowl level player. Maybe one of the best in the draft that year. What's their excuse all the other years? They literally have drafted 9 years now and got 1 Puni. Some years they don't even pick offensive line. I mean at all. Look up their drafts. So you can't go by 1 year where they hit on something big. They mostly don't even pick it often and certainly not high in the draft. It's just not emphasized by this regime. They got lucky with Puni too. He's far better than where he was picked. He would go much higher and not be available in the 3rd round if that draft was done over again.

49ers are the only team that hasn't taken a db higher than 64 since Lynch and Kyle took over. Only team in the ENTIRE NFL. Yet it's always the same argument that they ignore the OL.

Could they use higher picks on OL? Sure. They could also do it on TE and DB. Martin is the highest they have drafted an LB since Warner.

Chargers, Texans, Cowboys have all used prime picks on OL the last 5 years or so and still have average units to show for it. It's not about what picks you use necessarily, it's how you develop them. I want them to hit on the actual picks, not just use the picks to show some fans they are committed.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The excuse Lynch uses every single year is this. "There were several guys we were interested in. The opportunity didn't present itself. You have to stick true to your board." The draft didn't fall to him in each round in other words. To pick more offensive line early. Or to emphasize it.

I've said many times Puni is awesome. Better than where picked by far. A Pro Bowl level player. Maybe one of the best in the draft that year. What's their excuse all the other years? They literally have drafted 9 years now and got 1 Puni. Some years they don't even pick offensive line. I mean at all. Look up their drafts. So you can't go by 1 year where they hit on something big. They mostly don't even pick it often and certainly not high in the draft. It's just not emphasized by this regime. They got lucky with Puni too. He's far better than where he was picked. He would go much higher and not be available in the 3rd round if that draft was done over again.

49ers are the only team that hasn't taken a db higher than 64 since Lynch and Kyle took over. Only team in the ENTIRE NFL. Yet it's always the same argument that they ignore the OL.

Chargers, Texans, Cowboys have all used prime picks on OL the last 5 years or so and still have average units to show for it. It's not about what picks you use necessarily, it's how you develop them. I want them to hit on the actual picks, not just use the picks to show some fans they are committed.

I get the DB argument and it's been brought up before. You can make the argument. But in no way is our defensive backfield as bad as the disaster of our offensive line. Another thing we don't often pick high.

DB:

Lenoir - CB - huge contract. High paid star and young player.
Green - CB - 2nd round pick looks like a good cover man. Looks to have a fantastic future.
Mustapaha - S - looks like a flying missile out there. Flying all around the field making plays. Better than where he was picked for sure. Huge upside and should get better.

So what are you looking at? A second S and a CB #3. It's not that bad. In fact it's better than some teams secondary's are.

Offensive line:

TW - getting older and more injured. Less good years left. Needs to be replaced.
Puni - Young rising star. Far better than where he was picked. A Pro Bowl level talent.
McKivitz - improved but not great. May leave in FA eventually for a higher contract.
LG - ???
C - Sub par
Depth - sub par
Swing Tackle in case of injuries - an injured, getting older guy who under performed recently.
Great young players other than Puni - ????

Offensive line is a big mess. Defensive secondary could use a 3rd CB. Maybe the little Smurf guy we picked. It's not great. But not as bad as you are claiming IMO.

3/5 of the 9ers O line is fine. Got two problem spots. I have more faith in Bartch then I do Tre Brown.

3/5 of the secondary is questionable now that Mustapha is an injury concern. Basically have 2 good cover guys with questionable depth as well. There is no DJ Humphries on the secondary bench.

Even last year the secondary was a bigger hole than the O line was. Ward had a down year and the safety play was awful by and large.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
3/5 of the 9ers O line is fine. Got two problem spots. I have more faith in Bartch then I do Tre Brown.

3/5 of the secondary is questionable now that Mustapha is an injury concern. Basically have 2 good cover guys with questionable depth as well. There is no DJ Humphries on the secondary bench.

Even last year the secondary was a bigger hole than the O line was. Ward had a down year and the safety play was awful by and large.

People really downplayed the secondary needs leading up to the draft. Even Green is far from proven. Gonna be interesting for sure and I'm not sure in a good way

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
3/5 of the 9ers O line is fine. Got two problem spots. I have more faith in Bartch then I do Tre Brown.

3/5 of the secondary is questionable now that Mustapha is an injury concern. Basically have 2 good cover guys with questionable depth as well. There is no DJ Humphries on the secondary bench.

Even last year the secondary was a bigger hole than the O line was. Ward had a down year and the safety play was awful by and large.

People really downplayed the secondary needs leading up to the draft. Even Green is far from proven. Gonna be interesting for sure and I'm not sure in a good way

We'll see if Saleh can work some magic to get them looking right. I'm curious to see if Luter can step up. Womack was an afterthought here but got snatched up real quick and had a pretty good year with Indy. For the most part we've done a pretty good job developing DBs here and hopefully that is still the case.

This will be an interesting year for the team. Clearly we're doing a lot of roster turnover and we had a bunch of holes. Some, like the DL were GAPING and other you have to squint to see.

Hard to address them all and all the depth we lost giving away those picks for Trey hit us hard this offseason. Need young players we've been developing to step up or this will take a few seasons to get back to form.

If we can get Clowney for just a pick swap or something, that would help bolster our d line and add some veteran leadership. I wouldn't be against it, as long as he can still set the edge

Originally posted by tankle104:
If we can get Clowney for just a pick swap or something, that would help bolster our d line and add some veteran leadership. I wouldn't be against it, as long as he can still set the edge

clowney i have never seen one man get so much of a run out of a single hit

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
If we can get Clowney for just a pick swap or something, that would help bolster our d line and add some veteran leadership. I wouldn't be against it, as long as he can still set the edge

clowney i have never seen one man get so much of a run out of a single hit

I think he's played great football at times. He may not of ever been that 15+ sack a year guy that many thought he would but he's been a good player throughout his career. He's had some dominant games against us throughout the years. Haha

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
3/5 of the 9ers O line is fine. Got two problem spots. I have more faith in Bartch then I do Tre Brown.

3/5 of the secondary is questionable now that Mustapha is an injury concern. Basically have 2 good cover guys with questionable depth as well. There is no DJ Humphries on the secondary bench.

Even last year the secondary was a bigger hole than the O line was. Ward had a down year and the safety play was awful by and large.

I agree that the secondary had holes last year but DB's can develop faster than tackles in the NFL. We are probably not in the playoffs this year so good time to do something with the OLINE to develope for next year and then draft DBs next year.

We are signing a shorter QB that must have time so the plays develope. If we don't do something soon next year will also be a mid tier team.

Even if we draft OL next year they won't be ready for a serious playoff run.

Just my opinion

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I agree that the secondary had holes last year but DB's can develop faster than tackles in the NFL. We are probably not in the playoffs this year so good time to do something with the OLINE to develope for next year and then draft DBs next year.

We are signing a shorter QB that must have time so the plays develope. If we don't do something soon next year will also be a mid tier team.

Even if we draft OL next year they won't be ready for a serious playoff run.

Just my opinion

- If our special teams isn't the worst in the league, literally, like it was last year.
- if our run defense is top 5 worst in the league again
- if our third down defense isn't top 5 one of the worst in the league again

if all of those go from the worst in the league (or one of the worst) to just average (15th). We have a great chance to make the playoffs.

we blew a ton of games in the fourth quarter and through special teams. By all accounts, all three phases of our team SHOULD be better. We won 6 games with 2/3 of our team god awful. And the offense wasn't consistent at all, either.

I think we are much closer than some think, especially with the coaching changes we made. Just need health and focus. We will be a juggernaut again if we can stay healthy and no off field distractions like we had last year.

Maybe for Asante, but a hope not for Clowney

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I agree that the secondary had holes last year but DB's can develop faster than tackles in the NFL. We are probably not in the playoffs this year so good time to do something with the OLINE to develope for next year and then draft DBs next year.

We are signing a shorter QB that must have time so the plays develope. If we don't do something soon next year will also be a mid tier team.

Even if we draft OL next year they won't be ready for a serious playoff run.

Just my opinion

- If our special teams isn't the worst in the league, literally, like it was last year.
- if our run defense is top 5 worst in the league again
- if our third down defense isn't top 5 one of the worst in the league again

if all of those go from the worst in the league (or one of the worst) to just average (15th). We have a great chance to make the playoffs.

we blew a ton of games in the fourth quarter and through special teams. By all accounts, all three phases of our team SHOULD be better. We won 6 games with 2/3 of our team god awful. And the offense wasn't consistent at all, either.

I think we are much closer than some think, especially with the coaching changes we made. Just need health and focus. We will be a juggernaut again if we can stay healthy and no off field distractions like we had last year.

Yes we had a lot of issues last year but coaching was bad on D. I am just being real and I don't think we are better this year player wise. It's too early to tell but not upgrading our line for the 3rd year other than Puni will bite us again.

I hope to God I'm wrong however I just don't see us topping the Rams. As well I don't think we're better than the teams in the wild card last year either. Again hope I'm wrong but I think we need another year and our draft picks have to hit.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Yes we had a lot of issues last year but coaching was bad on D. I am just being real and I don't think we are better this year player wise. It's too early to tell but not upgrading our line for the 3rd year other than Puni will bite us again.

I hope to God I'm wrong however I just don't see us topping the Rams. As well I don't think we're better than the teams in the wild card last year either. Again hope I'm wrong but I think we need another year and our draft picks have to hit.

with the rams staffords arm is falling off. there was real talk of him being moved, and they gave up their round 1 this year, to get atlanta's round 1 next year, in what is a strong qb draft.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I get the DB argument and it's been brought up before. You can make the argument. But in no way is our defensive backfield as bad as the disaster of our offensive line. Another thing we don't often pick high.

DB:

Lenoir - CB - huge contract. High paid star and young player.
Green - CB - 2nd round pick looks like a good cover man. Looks to have a fantastic future.
Mustapaha - S - looks like a flying missile out there. Flying all around the field making plays. Better than where he was picked for sure. Huge upside and should get better.

So what are you looking at? A second S and a CB #3. It's not that bad. In fact it's better than some teams secondary's are.

Offensive line:

TW - getting older and more injured. Less good years left. Needs to be replaced.
Puni - Young rising star. Far better than where he was picked. A Pro Bowl level talent.
McKivitz - improved but not great. May leave in FA eventually for a higher contract.
LG - ???
C - Sub par
Depth - sub par
Swing Tackle in case of injuries - an injured, getting older guy who under performed recently.
Great young players other than Puni - ????

Offensive line is a big mess. Defensive secondary could use a 3rd CB. Maybe the little Smurf guy we picked. It's not great. But not as bad as you are claiming IMO.

So who are these OL that we should have drafted the past couple years? Last year's draft was when we finally had a 1st round pick but we saw 9 OL went ahead of us in the draft. Thankfully they didn't reach for the one.

This years draft it was obvious the DL needed way more help than the OL. Plus where we picked wasnt good value for an OL. But if you feel like sharing who you would have picked other than Williams or Collins please go ahead and share that with us.

You kinda sound like you expect a young Pro Bowl caliber player at every position on the OL which is highly unrealistic. There is a lot of 'sub par" players on every OL in the NFL but i know you're not interested in hearing that. You just want to complain like 99.9% of the time you do.

What do you guys think about Gabe Davis?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45038058/jaguars-release-wr-gabe-davis-absorb-203m-dead-cap-hit

Could be an interesting addition.