John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Jeanty & Hunter are both available at #11 and the top OT & DL are gone, should we not consider either?

There is a 0% chance Hunter will be available at 11. If by some insane way he is then he's an easy pick.

WR and CB are much bigger needs for us than RB but once again, Hunter isn't getting out of the top 4.

You believe Lynch is drafting for need over BPA?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Jeanty & Hunter are both available at #11 and the top OT & DL are gone, should we not consider either?

There is a 0% chance Hunter will be available at 11. If by some insane way he is then he's an easy pick.

WR and CB are much bigger needs for us than RB but once again, Hunter isn't getting out of the top 4.

You believe Lynch is drafting for need over BPA?

I think that BPA tends to have some need accounted into it.

Someone can certainly make the case that when we draft for need early on that we have more fails but most teams account for need in their draft grades. That's why teams won't take a QB when they have one even if that QB is highly graded, RB, TE, IOL and S tend to be other positions that get pushed down the draft boards due to positional value.

I think if the 49ers grade on a scale of 10(8-10 first round, 7 second round, 6 3rd round, 5 4th round, etc) and they have Jeanty on the board at 11 with a grade of 9.5 and say Derrick Harmon on the board at 8.3, I think there is a very real chance they go with Harmon who also has a first round grade and hits a much bigger need for them.

I know come draft day I'll be rooting for Jeanty and Tyler Warren to go ahead of our pick for sure. I mean do I think they would be good players for us? 100%. They're very bust proof assuming they stay healthy. However I'm just not seeing the potential impact given our roster at that pick if they're the selections and while guys like Harmon, Shemar Stewart, Walter Nolen, Will Johnson, Mike Green are bigger risks to bust, if they HIT then we're a better team for it.

Good discussion on talk radio over the weeknd BPA vs needs. It seems history does have some stats that when teams try to fill needs (which is understandable) that on many of those picks they end up with several mid-tier type players. If taking BPA, even if currently not needed (QB excluded) you will find a way to make it work in time and there is no way you should let an impact potential star slip by to grab a mid-tier need.

I tend to agree to a point but pick 11 MUST BE impact even if BPA over other needs. They cannot blow pick 11.

That said, I can see them pulling an old Bill B move this draft. Move out of 11 and grab a pick or two and then weave back in to grab who they want. This year may be the year the 49ers slide in and out of draft. I am okay with this but boy they have to nail this thing.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Good discussion on talk radio over the weeknd BPA vs needs. It seems history does have some stats that when teams try to fill needs (which is understandable) that on many of those picks they end up with several mid-tier type players. If taking BPA, even if currently not needed (QB excluded) you will find a way to make it work in time and there is no way you should let an impact potential star slip by to grab a mid-tier need.

I tend to agree to a point but pick 11 MUST BE impact even if BPA over other needs. They cannot blow pick 11.

That said, I can see them pulling an old Bill B move this draft. Move out of 11 and grab a pick or two and then weave back in to grab who they want. This year may be the year the 49ers slide in and out of draft. I am okay with this but boy they have to nail this thing.

Trading down would more than likely be the way to go 100%. Our only chance to land an actual BPA at a position of need is if somehow 3 QBs get into the top 10 and both Jeanty and Warren are drafted.

That leaves 5 picks between - Carter, Hunter, Mason Graham, Membou, Will Campbell - all we'd need is someone to grab another DB, WR or LB and one of those guys will be available at 11. I think the best odds are one of the OTs.

I do have a bad feeling we won't be so lucky and trading down may not be an option so everyone has to understand the situation and easy up on the "could've traded down and grabbed him later" talk.

Just get great players. All i care about.

Originally posted by genus49:
Trading down would more than likely be the way to go 100%. Our only chance to land an actual BPA at a position of need is if somehow 3 QBs get into the top 10 and both Jeanty and Warren are drafted.

That leaves 5 picks between - Carter, Hunter, Mason Graham, Membou, Will Campbell - all we'd need is someone to grab another DB, WR or LB and one of those guys will be available at 11. I think the best odds are one of the OTs.

I do have a bad feeling we won't be so lucky and trading down may not be an option so everyone has to understand the situation and easy up on the "could've traded down and grabbed him later" talk.

Just get great players. All i care about.

The problem is Membou and Campbell will be decent players. Neither has All Pro potential.

Graham will be a solid DT. But all All Pro? Debatable.

We are in a tricky spot.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Jeanty & Hunter are both available at #11 and the top OT & DL are gone, should we not consider either?

There is a 0% chance Hunter will be available at 11. If by some insane way he is then he's an easy pick.

WR and CB are much bigger needs for us than RB but once again, Hunter isn't getting out of the top 4.

You believe Lynch is drafting for need over BPA?

I think that BPA tends to have some need accounted into it.

Someone can certainly make the case that when we draft for need early on that we have more fails but most teams account for need in their draft grades. That's why teams won't take a QB when they have one even if that QB is highly graded, RB, TE, IOL and S tend to be other positions that get pushed down the draft boards due to positional value.

I think if the 49ers grade on a scale of 10(8-10 first round, 7 second round, 6 3rd round, 5 4th round, etc) and they have Jeanty on the board at 11 with a grade of 9.5 and say Derrick Harmon on the board at 8.3, I think there is a very real chance they go with Harmon who also has a first round grade and hits a much bigger need for them.

I know come draft day I'll be rooting for Jeanty and Tyler Warren to go ahead of our pick for sure. I mean do I think they would be good players for us? 100%. They're very bust proof assuming they stay healthy. However I'm just not seeing the potential impact given our roster at that pick if they're the selections and while guys like Harmon, Shemar Stewart, Walter Nolen, Will Johnson, Mike Green are bigger risks to bust, if they HIT then we're a better team for it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Good discussion on talk radio over the weeknd BPA vs needs. It seems history does have some stats that when teams try to fill needs (which is understandable) that on many of those picks they end up with several mid-tier type players. If taking BPA, even if currently not needed (QB excluded) you will find a way to make it work in time and there is no way you should let an impact potential star slip by to grab a mid-tier need.

I tend to agree to a point but pick 11 MUST BE impact even if BPA over other needs. They cannot blow pick 11.

That said, I can see them pulling an old Bill B move this draft. Move out of 11 and grab a pick or two and then weave back in to grab who they want. This year may be the year the 49ers slide in and out of draft. I am okay with this but boy they have to nail this thing.

Trading down would more than likely be the way to go 100%. Our only chance to land an actual BPA at a position of need is if somehow 3 QBs get into the top 10 and both Jeanty and Warren are drafted.

That leaves 5 picks between - Carter, Hunter, Mason Graham, Membou, Will Campbell - all we'd need is someone to grab another DB, WR or LB and one of those guys will be available at 11. I think the best odds are one of the OTs.

I do have a bad feeling we won't be so lucky and trading down may not be an option so everyone has to understand the situation and easy up on the "could've traded down and grabbed him later" talk.

Just get great players. All i care about.

I understand this, but this is also how we end up with players like Solomon Thomas over the likes of Mahomes. Just not a great draft strategy IMO.

Now I do think GM's can take these types of risks when picking at the bottom of every round with a strong roster, but when you have a high first round pick BPA should be the choice. Passing on gold jacket players for an average to below average player isn't a smart way to build a roster.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I understand this, but this is also how we end up with players like Solomon Thomas over the likes of Mahomes. Just not a great draft strategy IMO.

Now I do think GM's can take these types of risks when picking at the bottom of every round with a strong roster, but when you have a high first round pick BPA should be the choice. Passing on gold jacket players for an average to below average player isn't a smart way to build a roster.

Mahomes coming out of college wasn't a sure thing. He was passed by 9 teams, one of which traded up for a quarterback. I wouldn't even say the reason we passed on Mahomes was because of need or BPA. We passed on Mahomes because Kyle and Lynch had an infatuation with Cousins, who was on his second franchise tag and wasn't interested in returning to Washington. They knew the team wasn't going to be good in 2017 and were basically preparing to go all in on Cousins in 2018. They they lucked into Garoppolo when Hoodie called them up and wanted to off-load Jimmy to a team that would do good by him.

Just two guys the 49ers won't spend any money on yet.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I understand this, but this is also how we end up with players like Solomon Thomas over the likes of Mahomes. Just not a great draft strategy IMO.

Now I do think GM's can take these types of risks when picking at the bottom of every round with a strong roster, but when you have a high first round pick BPA should be the choice. Passing on gold jacket players for an average to below average player isn't a smart way to build a roster.

I think you're misremembering that draft or letting hindsight get to you.

We 100% went BPA in that first round and the draft grades after reflected that.

Mahomes was far from a top tier QB prospect. KC got a lot of flack for taking him when they did.

No prospect is a gold jacket player as a draft prospect. We've seen way to many "blue chip" guys have horrible careers.

I understand what you're trying to say but you chose a weird analogy to do it.

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Just two guys the 49ers won't spend any money on yet.

Brock looks like Kittles young boy in those shots.

I do not believe these trade up rumors

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I do not believe these trade up rumors

Me neither, so weird.

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I do not believe these trade up rumors

Me neither, so weird.

If we have a chance to get Carter or Graham, I hope Lynch pulls the trigger. We almost won a Superbowl after the Lance disaster, so why not take another shot now that we actually found our franchise QB? We aren't expected to be picking this high again, so why not go get a young game wrecker to build your defense around?

Lynch is very aggressive and I hope it continues on draft night

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I do not believe these trade up rumors

Me neither, so weird.

If we have a chance to get Carter or Graham, I hope Lynch pulls the trigger. We almost won a Superbowl after the Lance disaster, so why not take another shot now that we actually found our franchise QB? We aren't expected to be picking this high again, so why not go get a young game wrecker to build your defense around?

Lynch is very aggressive and I hope it continues on draft night

I should also say Grant is full of sh*t and I bet he has no sources, but I still hope we trade up if either Carter or Graham falls within trade up range.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I do not believe these trade up rumors

Me neither, so weird.

If we have a chance to get Carter or Graham, I hope Lynch pulls the trigger. We almost won a Superbowl after the Lance disaster, so why not take another shot now that we actually found our franchise QB? We aren't expected to be picking this high again, so why not go get a young game wrecker to build your defense around?

Lynch is very aggressive and I hope it continues on draft night

That move should be a good reason to pump the breaks.

In hindsight the smarter move would've been to sit back and build out our depth or at minimum go for one of the top guys at other positions like Chase, Sewell or Surtain.

I think this draft has less blue chip type prospects at the top and while I think Carter is special he alone isn't worth it to me to move up and eliminate critical depth and even potential cheap starters for us.

Carter is a top 4 pick in this class and to move up there from 11 would cost our 2nd round pick and more. I'd love to have him but for what we need I'm taking something like

Derrick Harmon at 11(or potentially with a trade down) and then someone like JT Tuimoloau or Landon Jackson in round 2. Neither may be as great as Carter would be but together they make us a better team.

We're just not in a position to trade up that much IMO. Now if Mason Graham is falling to 8 and we feel he's easily the best DT in this class then that type of jump may not cost #43 and could be something to go for.