John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
There isn't one rookie that will come in and improve on what we have. It just won't happen.

It makes ZERO sense to draft a tackle with a premium pick just because Trent Williams might retire in two years.

Deal with it when it happens or have a top 15 pick play out of position at a less than impactful position or sit on the bench.

It makes no sense when we literally have NO STARTERS at either DT position, one starting DE, one starting LB and two starting corners.

Meh if Membou is there at min he's this starting LG and will be the starting RT in 2026 when Colton is due for a raise.

he's the only OT I'm taking at 11…anyway you can tell from both their pressers we're going DL heavy this draft, which they should because that's were the talent is overall.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Incorrect. That may be the general rating however, Brendel cost us 2-3 games by himself with his 33rd rated self!!!! Williams and Puni bring the group ranking WAY UP.

having average players is much better than 2 great players and 2-3 horrendous ones

I'm no fan of Brendel, but where did you get the 33rd rate from?

Williams barely played this year. Colton was actually decent and will probably play his way out of SF in a yr the way guys are getting paid.

honestly upgrading the center position would vastly improve the OL overall. Brock himself needs to play better and get rid the of ball quicker, his TT was near the top of the league and he was consistently looking to push the ball downfield. Time and a place for all that, but this OL isn't built to be a heavy straight drop back OL.

PFF has him as the 36th overall ranked Center based on pass pro.

Overall he's 20th.

I'm not seeing that?

Don't know what to tell you on how they get their calculations

But this is straight from their own site



Brendel is 20th overall. You can adjust for % of snaps played but that just further skews the info since only so many guys play 50%/80% of snaps. The screenshot above is 20% of snaps played which eliminates the single game, couple of snap type outliers.

You're adding guys with less than 300 snaps to the equation. Why would you do that?

this is what it looks like on their page right now when you don't mess around with the snap mins

Interesting how those top 3 teams have been solid playoff teams these past 3 years.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Interesting how those top 3 teams have been solid playoff teams these past 3 years.

I mean Ragnow was on that DET team when they stunk…same for a couple of their other starter on that OL.

But I agree I think center matters much much more than OG. Get your OTs and center and fill in at OG.

At this point SF has to rebuild their DL, that's the foundation of their defense and where the strength of this draft is.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
For sure, and if we put resources into the offensive line, we would probably have one or two Super Bowls. It's just amazing that they don't know that by now or don't want to change philosophies.

They would have won two super bowls if we didn't have Dre get injured and Jimmy could make a downfield throw all the same.

I agree you can always improve the OL. IMO this draft isn't setup to do that unfortunately.

we will put points up if we can get healthy on the offensive side…also based off Kyle's presser today, I'm expecting more targets for Kittle in 2025.

Very true. Greenlaw held Kelce to nothing (1 catch 2 yards at halftime and a shove of their coach ) and Deebo and Kittle being injured too.

Not to mention in the first SB, Feliciano getting injured. That's an easy win and Jimmy G, Richburg and DJ Jones were all huge factors in our loss. Health or luck and ref calls or no calls are the biggest factors

Kittle's targets have to go up after signing that TE2 and Deebo gone (BA for a few games too). Whenever Kittle is heavily targeted we always win

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
How do you know we cannot improve the offensive line? That's ridiculous. If we have a draft that is deep along the defensive line and thinner at the offensive line, then using a higher pick on the o line makes sense. Using your logic how can we say any rookie could improve the d line either?

Rookies can improve the Dline because we currently ONLY HAVE ONE STARTER!!

How is this so difficult to understand?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
The proof is how cyclical this topic is every year. The line is not good, and you guys are all throwing numbers at me to defend it. We get it, the line overachieves based on many metrics, except come championship time.

Do you really expect different results rolling out this offensive line next season? We will be having this same exact conversation again, and you will probably still try to justify it.

They have had way more focus on dline and lets be honest, their record here has been abysmal aside Bosa. They have not drafted well with the trenches and the ones who were good, were not retained.

I know you're probably right, but I actually think this is why they should go oline early and then fill out the defense mid to late rounds. Again, if they roll the line out as it is today, I don't expect anything other than being back here again next year with this same topic. TW could retire tomorrow, McK is a FA after this year. Not taking a tackle at 11 if one is there would be stupid unless a blue chip fell.

Anyone defending Brendel is nuts, that guy is garbage and he is a ball and chain to the entire team. I know they can work with/around Mckivitz, but not him + Brendel. We will have a 50million dollar QB hurt or damaged regardless.

The topic is cyclical every year because fans make it a topic when it really isn't .

It blows my mind how anyone can say our Oline needs to be improved when we literally had the 4th most yards per game in the league missing Trent Williams, Aaron Banks, Christian McCaffery, Jordan Mason, Isaac Guerrendo, Ricky Pearsall and Brandon Aiuyk for large portions of the season.

And yes, I expect the YPG to remain the same and our scoring and 3rd downs will improve just by having our key guys healthy like they were in 2023 and we were top 3 in every offensive category. It's not rocket science.

Originally posted by elguapo:
You're asking to post proof? Did you not watch any of the 49ers games last year? He avoided so much pressure and so many sacks. It was unbelievable. I actually felt sorry for him running around that much. Maybe you missed every game but that's OK. There are other factors as to why we lost but having a better offensive line, especially Center was a major factor (did you not catch how many times Brendel would get blown up, couldn't hold his blocks or just watched somebody hit our quarterback and all he did was stand there and look? It was incredibly pathetic and did cost us a few games).

A upgrade at C would've helped us so much in the red zone as well as third and short, which again, we were second to last in the NFL, which is disturbing even with the injuries we had.

Like I said show proof or anything you said is your opinion.

I watched the same games as you and Purdy didn't get pressured any more than any other QB. We were league average in pressures all while Purdy held the ball almost a second more than league average. To me that says the Oline held up quite well.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Interesting how those top 3 teams have been solid playoff teams these past 3 years.

And we would have been too if we hadn't been ravaged by injuries last year

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Meh if Membou is there at min he's this starting LG and will be the starting RT in 2026 when Colton is due for a raise.

he's the only OT I'm taking at 11…anyway you can tell from both their pressers we're going DL heavy this draft, which they should because that's were the talent is overall.

I'm not taking a guard at 11 overall and we don't know if McKivitz will be extended or not.

We aren't in the position to take a player with a premium pick just incase Trent Williams retires in 2 years or McKivitz leaves as a free agent.

Load up with D prospect this year and add to the Oline next year when and If we actually have positions to fill.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by elguapo:
You're asking to post proof? Did you not watch any of the 49ers games last year? He avoided so much pressure and so many sacks. It was unbelievable. I actually felt sorry for him running around that much. Maybe you missed every game but that's OK. There are other factors as to why we lost but having a better offensive line, especially Center was a major factor (did you not catch how many times Brendel would get blown up, couldn't hold his blocks or just watched somebody hit our quarterback and all he did was stand there and look? It was incredibly pathetic and did cost us a few games).

A upgrade at C would've helped us so much in the red zone as well as third and short, which again, we were second to last in the NFL, which is disturbing even with the injuries we had.

Like I said show proof or anything you said is your opinion.

I watched the same games as you and Purdy didn't get pressured any more than any other QB. We were league average in pressures all while Purdy held the ball almost a second more than league average. To me that says the Oline held up quite well.

You're right the offensive line "held up quite well!" Oh my gosh, that is hilarious and you're not even gonna say April fools after that statement? Talk about an opinion and a delusional one at that

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
For sure, and if we put resources into the offensive line, we would probably have one or two Super Bowls. It's just amazing that they don't know that by now or don't want to change philosophies.

They would have won two super bowls if we didn't have Dre get injured and Jimmy could make a downfield throw all the same.

I agree you can always improve the OL. IMO this draft isn't setup to do that unfortunately.

we will put points up if we can get healthy on the offensive side…also based off Kyle's presser today, I'm expecting more targets for Kittle in 2025.

Very true. Greenlaw held Kelce to nothing (1 catch 2 yards at halftime and a shove of their coach ) and Deebo and Kittle being injured too.

Not to mention in the first SB, Feliciano getting injured. That's an easy win and Jimmy G, Richburg and DJ Jones were all huge factors in our loss. Health or luck and ref calls or no calls are the biggest factors

Kittle's targets have to go up after signing that TE2 and Deebo gone (BA for a few games too). Whenever Kittle is heavily targeted we always win

A lot of what ifs. I'm with ya on always trying to improve the OL

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You're adding guys with less than 300 snaps to the equation. Why would you do that?

this is what it looks like on their page right now when you don't mess around with the snap mins

We're arguing minutia right now but I honestly don't know what you're showing me. I've looked at their premium stats and no matter what criteria I use he is not listed 17th.

And I posted the grades for anyone who played 20%+ of their snaps. And I'm sorry but no matter what their grade for him is we all saw the games. He was garbage. Planted on his ass so many times. I just don't understand how the coaches can see that and think he's a proper starter.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Part of the problem NY is you seem like you are trying to push the narrative that our center wasn't totally atrocious or awful and putting more blame on Brock Purdy. I can see that but the facts remain…. Brock Purdy escaped so many sacks and so much pressure, especially up the middle that he deserves a damn medal, not so much criticism.

Putting a lot on him, especially when our receivers got no separation whatsoever and our major weapons were out like Williams BA and McCaffrey is disingenuous. Our center is bottom of the barrel in NFL. Rankings differ by which site or source you use but we all could see how absolutely awful he was by watching every play of every game which we did.

"Game over man, game over!!!"

Let's just hope Hennessy is the starter this year bc that will help out Brock and the offense out so much. We can all agree that we need a huge upgrade at C.

*******We were in the BOTTOM 2 in third and 2 or less in the NFL. That is a huge stat showing how poor Brendel and Banks were all year.

Listen, I'm not a Brendel fan. Not sure how many times I've had to say that. He's without question the weak link to the OL. I'm pointing out he was bad as a PBLK (see PFF) he was actually pretty good as a RBLK. He's not the worst starting center like everyone claims. Does he need to be upgraded? Absolutely!

folks need to accept that if a lineman can't run block, they aren't getting on the field here. Period

you could be one of the best pass-blockers in the league (Trent brown says hi), but if you can't run block you're out.

Our offense is not built to be a true drop back pass heavy scheme. Just not. The foundation is running the ball and playing off that. Play action and moving the QB around behind the LOS. Distribute the ball and let the play makers do their thing.

Brock was not pressured as much as everyone wants to complain about this yr. The stats are there. He was pressured less this yr vs 2023. He forced downfield passes this yr, hence the TTT.

I mean there's a reason we have these huge debates about Brock. You act like the only way he can be successful is if we have a ton of stud separators. We've talked about his lack of arm strength and being able to throw those tight window throws. Well that adds up to him needing more space to make completions…. Shows BA's worth as well (while everyone wants to trade him for a bag of chips because they're all up in their feelings over contract stuff). If he's healthy it's a massive upgrade.

I'll add we lost one WR from 2023 to 2024. He still had kittle, Deebo and JJ.

Banks just got paid $77M, clearly the league thought he was better…it shows how bad the NFL is overall at OL. Same s**t with McG, everyone was crying about him for years. Now he's part of one of the best OLs in the league.

I think we agree more than disagree and based on what you said then i think Kyles offense is half assed as he has a down the field pocket passer, but not the o-line to compliment his play style etc.

Simply put our trenches are weak and need to be improved. I have more faith in them improving the defense line, than offensive line at this point.

For sure, and if we put resources into the offensive line, we would probably have one or two Super Bowls. It's just amazing that they don't know that by now or don't want to change philosophies.

Been clamoring for better o line talent since 2019. If they go with: TW, bartch, Brendel, Puni, mckivitz I don't expect anything special next season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The offenses biggest issue was RZ TDs last yr. That has to do with a lack of talent in those close quarters situations, QB play, and Kyle needing to be more creative down there.

True, but that's also on the o/line. A better offensive line makes the entire team better. Down near the goal line they couldn't open a can of pickles. Our rb got stone walled.

I also feel like Purdy regressed because of the constant pressure in his face.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I'm not taking a guard at 11 overall and we don't know if McKivitz will be extended or not.

We aren't in the position to take a player with a premium pick just incase Trent Williams retires in 2 years or McKivitz leaves as a free agent.

Load up with D prospect this year and add to the Oline next year when and If we actually have positions to fill.

Bro he's a OT but can play OG for a yr. You don't have to debate with me about taking a OG early…I've been very vocal for years about not doing that.

it's has nothing to do with just in case, Trent has two years left on his deal, Colton is a FA after this yr.

the draft isn't just about filling a void right now (even though it would). It's about long-term investment and having that at OT is totally with a top end pick.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
The proof is how cyclical this topic is every year. The line is not good, and you guys are all throwing numbers at me to defend it. We get it, the line overachieves based on many metrics, except come championship time.

Do you really expect different results rolling out this offensive line next season? We will be having this same exact conversation again, and you will probably still try to justify it.

They have had way more focus on dline and lets be honest, their record here has been abysmal aside Bosa. They have not drafted well with the trenches and the ones who were good, were not retained.

I know you're probably right, but I actually think this is why they should go oline early and then fill out the defense mid to late rounds. Again, if they roll the line out as it is today, I don't expect anything other than being back here again next year with this same topic. TW could retire tomorrow, McK is a FA after this year. Not taking a tackle at 11 if one is there would be stupid unless a blue chip fell.

Anyone defending Brendel is nuts, that guy is garbage and he is a ball and chain to the entire team. I know they can work with/around Mckivitz, but not him + Brendel. We will have a 50million dollar QB hurt or damaged regardless.

The topic is cyclical every year because fans make it a topic when it really isn't .

It blows my mind how anyone can say our Oline needs to be improved when we literally had the 4th most yards per game in the league missing Trent Williams, Aaron Banks, Christian McCaffery, Jordan Mason, Isaac Guerrendo, Ricky Pearsall and Brandon Aiuyk for large portions of the season.

And yes, I expect the YPG to remain the same and our scoring and 3rd downs will improve just by having our key guys healthy like they were in 2023 and we were top 3 in every offensive category. It's not rocket science.

Our o-line is mediocre at best. The moment TW is hurt it's below that. Do you think he's playing in 17 games? NFL players do not tend to get healthier as they age.

Keep your stats. I trust my eyes when I see the trenches fail in the playoffs and super bowls, because once you reach that point talent can overcome scheme.

It's not like we're asking for 5 first rounders either. They tried that on the d line and still came up short. We just want a center who isn't from the bar down the block and a rt who shows up on obvious passing downs.

They are about to pay Purdy 50 million a year +. I think it'd be wise to protect that investment, but I doubt it.