John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by luv49rs:

Originally posted by English:
Hey Sarah! How you?

doing pretty good!! how about yourself??

Fine thanks. Difficult dealing with the world's politics though!

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Just going to post what I said before.

Go and check other teams and see how great they've done.

Also let's not pretend that virtually every draft grade that came out after that 2017 first round was As across the board.

Like I said, teams don't draft with hindsight and they've learned from some of the big misses like the Pettis miss, whose issue had nothing to do with talent(why he's still in the league)

In fact I believe most of our busts unless they were busts cuz of career ending injuries are still on someone's roster. Foster and Lance I think are only ones off a team and I imagine Lance finds a spot at minimum on a PS somewhere. Foster was an off the field and injury situation. I think he's in the UFL now.

I posted all our missed picks in the last 8 years. 6 guys out of 23 picks from rounds 1-3 in the previous 7 drafts are still here. And 3 of them are below average players in Brown, Moody and Jackson. So we have 3 guys who are making an impact from the premium rounds from their draft classes.

Jaiyr Brown
Jake Moody
Drake Jackson
Brandon Aiuyk
Nick Bosa
Fred Warner

And as for our players on other rosters. Well they chose not to resign McGlinchy which was a mistake IMO. Deebo is washed, Aaron Banks was decent when healthy and got overpaid and Kinlaw is average at best.

You're saying other teams have similar miss rates well show proof. Thats your opinion and is not based on fact unless you can back it up.

I will be waiting

Funny how you can make a statement without providing anything but hyperbole and misremembered narratives that didn't happen as your proof but expect someone disagreeing with you to provide details.

Fine.

First of all I disagree with some of your assessments on missed picks

Here is your list including messed up years.

2023

Jake Moody (3) - remains to be seen if this is a miss
Cameron Latu (3) - bust

2022
Drake Jackson (2) - bust due to injury
Tyron Davis Price (3) - bust
Danny Gray (3) - bust

2021
Trey Lance (1) - big time bust
Trey Sermon (3) - bust
Ambry Thomas (3) - I don't see Ambry as a bust. End of the 3rd round pick the expectations are not a dominant corner. He started a bunch of games for us and was critical in us securing a playoff spot in 2021. Obviously he wasn't a great pick but I don't believe he was a bust either.

2020
Javon Kinlaw (1) - bust due to injury issues, on his 3rd team and got a pretty big contract with Washington

2019
Jalen Hurd (3) - looked like a great pick before injuries destroyed his career before he even started.

2020
Dante Pettis (2) - still in the league. Bust for us but not due to talent.

2019
Solomon Thomas (1) - Bust only for where he was drafted
Reuben Foster (1) - bust due to off the field issues/injuries
CJ Beathard (3) - Drafted to be a backup at the bottom of the 3rd round. That's standard expectation for 3rd/4th round QBs.

Let's look at a team like NE in the same years 2017-2024

Busts
2017 - Derek Rivers(3), Anotonio Garcia(3)
2018 - Duke Dawson(2)
2019 - N'Keal Harry(1), Joejuan Williams(2), Yodny Cajuste(3)
2020 - Dalton Keene(3), Devin Asiasi(3)
2021 - Mac Jones(1), Ronnie Perkins(3)
2022 - Cole Strange(1), Tyquan Thornton(2)
2023 - too early for me to tell

That's 12 busts by NE without me bringing up guys like you have listed like Thomas, Foster, Beathard, Thomas or Moody - guys who have contributed but may end up not being worth the pick they were drafted at or just not very good cuz that would add a bunch more.

49ers have 6 players left from rounds 1-3 with 26 selections since 2019, more specifically 8 first round picks, 5 2nd round picks and 13 3rd round picks.

Pats have 11 players left on their roster from rounds 1-3 with 27 selections since 2019, with 7 first round picks, 8 2nd round picks and 12 3rd round picks.

I'm sure you'd make the claim that the Pats have 5 more players on their roster from those rounds still and that would be right.

The main difference is we lost a lot of early draft capital lately because of the Lance trade and the Pats have been going downhill meaning they didn't have big contracts preventing them from signing guys that would normally leave in FA.

Outside of Christian Gonzalez and looks like Drake Maye there is nobody the Pats since 2017 who is still on that roster that registers as a major hit. Certainly not at the level of Nick Bosa, Aiyuk, Warner or even Deebo.

So yes other teams have similar issues. And as I said before the Lance move was a HUGE miss for us because I strongly believe guys like Sermon and Gray aren't drafted if Lance wasn't the pick.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Sask, you, focus on the misses we have had in rounds one through three over the years which a lot of other teams have had even great teams, but what you failed to mention which is disingenuous is that we are the best drafting team in the later rounds.

Getting all pros, pro bowlers, and great players like Kittle hufanga, Lenoir, Greenlaw, Jennings, and many undrafted free agents. It's not even close, we are the BEST in the league. So if you hit in the draft, you hit the draft, you're focusing on the talent levels in rounds one through three which doesn't mean dick especially when there are guys like I mentioned in the later rounds that turned out to be way more talented than the players in the early rounds. Your focus is so wrong. In the end, we still have one of the top five best rosters in the NFL and that's why we are favored in the top three teams to reach the Super Bowl in the NFC.

No I haven't. I specifically mentioned that and acknowledged it.

I said thankfully we are able to hit on some of those later round picks because if we didn't we would be a bottom 3 team in the league.

You acknowledged it then made a whole thing about rounds 1-3 and put the regime on the hot seat…

I'm sure nobody here wants to see more Cam Latus, Sermons, TDPs taken in the 3rd round but pretending other teams don't miss in those is disingenuous.

You can bog yourself down in bashing them for their misses but you can't ignore them finding a way to draft the most all pros since Kyle and John took the team over.

You can also see them learning from some of their earlier mistakes. Isn't that what we want to see? Mistakes will happen, can you cover up the mistakes you make and can you learn from them?

For the most part the busts you can even understand why they made those picks at the time.

I'm good with first 8 picks on oline and dline. If you get 3-4 starters out of those picks I'd consider it a decent draft. Fill every other spot with off the street scrubs but at least we will be able to stop the run and get pressure and give purdy enough time to throw the ball

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I'm good with first 8 picks on oline and dline. If you get 3-4 starters out of those picks I'd consider it a decent draft. Fill every other spot with off the street scrubs but at least we will be able to stop the run and get pressure and give purdy enough time to throw the ball

That would actually be a real good draft, especially if it goes 2 on Dline and 1 LB, then swing tackle ready to step in when needed. They don't need to hit on all 11.

It's comical when funny folks in here insinuate that some fans believe all 11 are going to be starters (just lame). 3/4 starters would be good, but it would also be much better if 2/3 other rookies turn out to be solid backups.

Right now we have 73 players signed.

QB: 13 Brock Purdy(2025), 10 Mac Jones(2026), & 4 Tanner Mordecai(2025)
RB: 23 Christian McCaffrey(2027), 31 Isaac Guerendo(2027), 32 Patrick Taylor Jr.(2025), & 20 Israel Abinikanda(2026)
FB: 44 Kyle Juszcyzk(2026)
WR: 11 Brandon Aiyuk(2028), 15 Jauan Jennings(2025), 1 Ricky Pearsall(2027), -- Demarcus Robinson(2026), 19 Jacob Cowing(2027), 81 Trent Taylor(2025), 83 Terique Owens(2025), 84 Russell Gage(2025), -- Isaiah Hodgins(2025)
TE: 85 George Kittle(2025), -- Luke Farrell(2027), 88 Jake Tonges(2025), 9 Brayden Willis(2025), & 89 Mason Pline(2025)
C: 64 Jake Brendel(2026), 61 Matt Hennessy(2025), & 66 Drake Nugent(2025)
LG: 78 Ben Bartch(2025), 74 Spencer Burford(2025), 63 Nick Zakelj(2025), & 69 Zack Johnson(2025)
RG: 77 Dominick Puni(2027)
LT: 71 Trent Williams(2026), 60 Sebastian Gutierrez(2025), & 67 Isaac Alarcón(2025)
RT: 68 Colton McKivitz(2025), 62 Austen Pleasants(2025), & -- Jalen McKenzie(2025)

DE: 97 Nick Bosa(2028), 94 Yetur Gross-Matos(2025), 91 Sam Okuayinonu(2025), 51 Robert Beal Jr.(2026), 95 Drake Jackson(2025), 58 Alex Barrett(2025), 59 Tarron Jackson(2025), & 96 Jonathan Garvin(2025)
DT: 90 Kevin Givens(2025), & 92 Jordan Elliott(2025)
NT: 93 Kalia Davis(2025), & 69 Evan Anderson(2025)
WLB: 53 Dee Winters(2026), & -- Luke Gifford(2025)
MLB: 54 Fred Warner(2026), 41 Jalen Graham(2025), & 36 Curtis Robinson(2025)
SLB: 48 Tatum Bethune(2027), & 47 DaShaun White(2025)
CB: 2 Deommodore Lenoir(2029), 0 Renardo Green(2027), 28 Darrell Luter Jr.(2026), -- Tre Brown(2025), -- Siran Neal(2026), -- Tre Tomlinson(2026), 36 Tre Avery(2025), & 26 Chase Lucas(2025)
FS: 27 Ji'Ayir Brown(2026), -- Richie Grant(2025), -- Jason Pinnock(2025), & 38 Jaylen Mahoney(2025)
SS: 6 Malik Mustapha(2027), 30 George Odum(2026), & -- Quindell Johnson(2025)

PK: 4 Jake Moody(2026)
P: 3 Mitch Wishnowsky(2026)
LS: 46 Jon Weeks(2025)

I have 38 locks of the 73 players, leaving 15 spots open.

I think our biggest needs come draft time are below.

3rd QB (to compete with Mordecai)
3rd/4th RB (I have Taylor as RB3, but RB4 could be a rook or Abinikanda)
6th WR (Speedy WR, plus Aiyuk & Robinson's statuses are unknown)
3rd TE (Someone who can catch & block ala Kittle)
Future C and/or LG (Possibly compete with Bartch & Burford)
Future LT/Swing T (Someone to either develop behind TW or just as the new Swing T for now)
1-2 EDGE (I like Okuayinonu as one of the 5 EDGE's, so draft 1-2, someone who can be long term opposite Bosa)
1-2 DT/NT (Someone to compete and eventually take over for Elliott & Givens)
LB (depth and maybe someone who can eventually be the new WLB)
6th CB (Draft a young guy who can develop into the outside corner or inside corner depending on where DMO & Green play)

Not all needs can be filled via the draft, maybe some FAs after May 12th when FAs won't count against our comp pick net gains/losses.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Right now we have 73 players signed.

QB: 13 Brock Purdy(2025), 10 Mac Jones(2026), & 4 Tanner Mordecai(2025)
RB: 23 Christian McCaffrey(2027), 31 Isaac Guerendo(2027), 32 Patrick Taylor Jr.(2025), & 20 Israel Abinikanda(2026)
FB: 44 Kyle Juszcyzk(2026)
WR: 11 Brandon Aiyuk(2028), 15 Jauan Jennings(2025), 1 Ricky Pearsall(2027), -- Demarcus Robinson(2026), 19 Jacob Cowing(2027), 81 Trent Taylor(2025), 83 Terique Owens(2025), 84 Russell Gage(2025), -- Isaiah Hodgins(2025)
TE: 85 George Kittle(2025), -- Luke Farrell(2027), 88 Jake Tonges(2025), 9 Brayden Willis(2025), & 89 Mason Pline(2025)
C: 64 Jake Brendel(2026), 61 Matt Hennessy(2025), & 66 Drake Nugent(2025)
LG: 78 Ben Bartch(2025), 74 Spencer Burford(2025), 63 Nick Zakelj(2025), & 69 Zack Johnson(2025)
RG: 77 Dominick Puni(2027)
LT: 71 Trent Williams(2026), 60 Sebastian Gutierrez(2025), & 67 Isaac Alarcón(2025)
RT: 68 Colton McKivitz(2025), 62 Austen Pleasants(2025), & -- Jalen McKenzie(2025)

DE: 97 Nick Bosa(2028), 94 Yetur Gross-Matos(2025), 91 Sam Okuayinonu(2025), 51 Robert Beal Jr.(2026), 95 Drake Jackson(2025), 58 Alex Barrett(2025), 59 Tarron Jackson(2025), & 96 Jonathan Garvin(2025)
DT: 90 Kevin Givens(2025), & 92 Jordan Elliott(2025)
NT: 93 Kalia Davis(2025), & 69 Evan Anderson(2025)
WLB: 53 Dee Winters(2026), & -- Luke Gifford(2025)
MLB: 54 Fred Warner(2026), 41 Jalen Graham(2025), & 36 Curtis Robinson(2025)
SLB: 48 Tatum Bethune(2027), & 47 DaShaun White(2025)
CB: 2 Deommodore Lenoir(2029), 0 Renardo Green(2027), 28 Darrell Luter Jr.(2026), -- Tre Brown(2025), -- Siran Neal(2026), -- Tre Tomlinson(2026), 36 Tre Avery(2025), & 26 Chase Lucas(2025)
FS: 27 Ji'Ayir Brown(2026), -- Richie Grant(2025), -- Jason Pinnock(2025), & 38 Jaylen Mahoney(2025)
SS: 6 Malik Mustapha(2027), 30 George Odum(2026), & -- Quindell Johnson(2025)

PK: 4 Jake Moody(2026)
P: 3 Mitch Wishnowsky(2026)
LS: 46 Jon Weeks(2025)

I have 38 locks of the 73 players, leaving 15 spots open.

I think our biggest needs come draft time are below.

3rd QB (to compete with Mordecai)
3rd/4th RB (I have Taylor as RB3, but RB4 could be a rook or Abinikanda)
6th WR (Speedy WR, plus Aiyuk & Robinson's statuses are unknown)
3rd TE (Someone who can catch & block ala Kittle)
Future C and/or LG (Possibly compete with Bartch & Burford)
Future LT/Swing T (Someone to either develop behind TW or just as the new Swing T for now)
1-2 EDGE (I like Okuayinonu as one of the 5 EDGE's, so draft 1-2, someone who can be long term opposite Bosa)
1-2 DT/NT (Someone to compete and eventually take over for Elliott & Givens)
LB (depth and maybe someone who can eventually be the new WLB)
6th CB (Draft a young guy who can develop into the outside corner or inside corner depending on where DMO & Green play)

Not all needs can be filled via the draft, maybe some FAs after May 12th when FAs won't count against our comp pick net gains/losses.

Thanks for this

There are a lot of unknowns on this roster as it stands. A few of them could be those solid depth pieces the team needs. There could even be a gem in there. They haven't even played one down as a Niner yet and they'll be coached up well pretty soon... can't really write off anyone at this time.

Genus and Sask49er in this thread...



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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Genus and Sask49er in this thread...



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Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Right now we have 73 players signed.

QB: 13 Brock Purdy(2025), 10 Mac Jones(2026), & 4 Tanner Mordecai(2025)
RB: 23 Christian McCaffrey(2027), 31 Isaac Guerendo(2027), 32 Patrick Taylor Jr.(2025), & 20 Israel Abinikanda(2026)
FB: 44 Kyle Juszcyzk(2026)
WR: 11 Brandon Aiyuk(2028), 15 Jauan Jennings(2025), 1 Ricky Pearsall(2027), -- Demarcus Robinson(2026), 19 Jacob Cowing(2027), 81 Trent Taylor(2025), 83 Terique Owens(2025), 84 Russell Gage(2025), -- Isaiah Hodgins(2025)
TE: 85 George Kittle(2025), -- Luke Farrell(2027), 88 Jake Tonges(2025), 9 Brayden Willis(2025), & 89 Mason Pline(2025)
C: 64 Jake Brendel(2026), 61 Matt Hennessy(2025), & 66 Drake Nugent(2025)
LG: 78 Ben Bartch(2025), 74 Spencer Burford(2025), 63 Nick Zakelj(2025), & 69 Zack Johnson(2025)
RG: 77 Dominick Puni(2027)
LT: 71 Trent Williams(2026), 60 Sebastian Gutierrez(2025), & 67 Isaac Alarcón(2025)
RT: 68 Colton McKivitz(2025), 62 Austen Pleasants(2025), & -- Jalen McKenzie(2025)

DE: 97 Nick Bosa(2028), 94 Yetur Gross-Matos(2025), 91 Sam Okuayinonu(2025), 51 Robert Beal Jr.(2026), 95 Drake Jackson(2025), 58 Alex Barrett(2025), 59 Tarron Jackson(2025), & 96 Jonathan Garvin(2025)
DT: 90 Kevin Givens(2025), & 92 Jordan Elliott(2025)
NT: 93 Kalia Davis(2025), & 69 Evan Anderson(2025)
WLB: 53 Dee Winters(2026), & -- Luke Gifford(2025)
MLB: 54 Fred Warner(2026), 41 Jalen Graham(2025), & 36 Curtis Robinson(2025)
SLB: 48 Tatum Bethune(2027), & 47 DaShaun White(2025)
CB: 2 Deommodore Lenoir(2029), 0 Renardo Green(2027), 28 Darrell Luter Jr.(2026), -- Tre Brown(2025), -- Siran Neal(2026), -- Tre Tomlinson(2026), 36 Tre Avery(2025), & 26 Chase Lucas(2025)
FS: 27 Ji'Ayir Brown(2026), -- Richie Grant(2025), -- Jason Pinnock(2025), & 38 Jaylen Mahoney(2025)
SS: 6 Malik Mustapha(2027), 30 George Odum(2026), & -- Quindell Johnson(2025)

PK: 4 Jake Moody(2026)
P: 3 Mitch Wishnowsky(2026)
LS: 46 Jon Weeks(2025)

I have 38 locks of the 73 players, leaving 15 spots open.

I think our biggest needs come draft time are below.

3rd QB (to compete with Mordecai)
3rd/4th RB (I have Taylor as RB3, but RB4 could be a rook or Abinikanda)
6th WR (Speedy WR, plus Aiyuk & Robinson's statuses are unknown)
3rd TE (Someone who can catch & block ala Kittle)
Future C and/or LG (Possibly compete with Bartch & Burford)
Future LT/Swing T (Someone to either develop behind TW or just as the new Swing T for now)
1-2 EDGE (I like Okuayinonu as one of the 5 EDGE's, so draft 1-2, someone who can be long term opposite Bosa)
1-2 DT/NT (Someone to compete and eventually take over for Elliott & Givens)
LB (depth and maybe someone who can eventually be the new WLB)
6th CB (Draft a young guy who can develop into the outside corner or inside corner depending on where DMO & Green play)

Not all needs can be filled via the draft, maybe some FAs after May 12th when FAs won't count against our comp pick net gains/losses.

Thanks for this

There are a lot of unknowns on this roster as it stands. A few of them could be those solid depth pieces the team needs. There could even be a gem in there. They haven't even played one down as a Niner yet and they'll be coached up well pretty soon... can't really write off anyone at this time.

The draft will provide a lot of clarity on the state of the roster. While we'll have to wait to see what the rookies can do this year we'll have no choice but to give them the runway to show their skills.

I'm hoping we use our strategy from last year of bringing in more proven/seasoned players to give them a better chance to hit the ground running.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Right now we have 73 players signed.

QB: 13 Brock Purdy(2025), 10 Mac Jones(2026), & 4 Tanner Mordecai(2025)
RB: 23 Christian McCaffrey(2027), 31 Isaac Guerendo(2027), 32 Patrick Taylor Jr.(2025), & 20 Israel Abinikanda(2026)
FB: 44 Kyle Juszcyzk(2026)
WR: 11 Brandon Aiyuk(2028), 15 Jauan Jennings(2025), 1 Ricky Pearsall(2027), -- Demarcus Robinson(2026), 19 Jacob Cowing(2027), 81 Trent Taylor(2025), 83 Terique Owens(2025), 84 Russell Gage(2025), -- Isaiah Hodgins(2025)
TE: 85 George Kittle(2025), -- Luke Farrell(2027), 88 Jake Tonges(2025), 9 Brayden Willis(2025), & 89 Mason Pline(2025)
C: 64 Jake Brendel(2026), 61 Matt Hennessy(2025), & 66 Drake Nugent(2025)
LG: 78 Ben Bartch(2025), 74 Spencer Burford(2025), 63 Nick Zakelj(2025), & 69 Zack Johnson(2025)
RG: 77 Dominick Puni(2027)
LT: 71 Trent Williams(2026), 60 Sebastian Gutierrez(2025), & 67 Isaac Alarcón(2025)
RT: 68 Colton McKivitz(2025), 62 Austen Pleasants(2025), & -- Jalen McKenzie(2025)

DE: 97 Nick Bosa(2028), 94 Yetur Gross-Matos(2025), 91 Sam Okuayinonu(2025), 51 Robert Beal Jr.(2026), 95 Drake Jackson(2025), 58 Alex Barrett(2025), 59 Tarron Jackson(2025), & 96 Jonathan Garvin(2025)
DT: 90 Kevin Givens(2025), & 92 Jordan Elliott(2025)
NT: 93 Kalia Davis(2025), & 69 Evan Anderson(2025)
WLB: 53 Dee Winters(2026), & -- Luke Gifford(2025)
MLB: 54 Fred Warner(2026), 41 Jalen Graham(2025), & 36 Curtis Robinson(2025)
SLB: 48 Tatum Bethune(2027), & 47 DaShaun White(2025)
CB: 2 Deommodore Lenoir(2029), 0 Renardo Green(2027), 28 Darrell Luter Jr.(2026), -- Tre Brown(2025), -- Siran Neal(2026), -- Tre Tomlinson(2026), 36 Tre Avery(2025), & 26 Chase Lucas(2025)
FS: 27 Ji'Ayir Brown(2026), -- Richie Grant(2025), -- Jason Pinnock(2025), & 38 Jaylen Mahoney(2025)
SS: 6 Malik Mustapha(2027), 30 George Odum(2026), & -- Quindell Johnson(2025)

PK: 4 Jake Moody(2026)
P: 3 Mitch Wishnowsky(2026)
LS: 46 Jon Weeks(2025)

I have 38 locks of the 73 players, leaving 15 spots open.

I think our biggest needs come draft time are below.

3rd QB (to compete with Mordecai)
3rd/4th RB (I have Taylor as RB3, but RB4 could be a rook or Abinikanda)
6th WR (Speedy WR, plus Aiyuk & Robinson's statuses are unknown)
3rd TE (Someone who can catch & block ala Kittle)
Future C and/or LG (Possibly compete with Bartch & Burford)
Future LT/Swing T (Someone to either develop behind TW or just as the new Swing T for now)
1-2 EDGE (I like Okuayinonu as one of the 5 EDGE's, so draft 1-2, someone who can be long term opposite Bosa)
1-2 DT/NT (Someone to compete and eventually take over for Elliott & Givens)
LB (depth and maybe someone who can eventually be the new WLB)
6th CB (Draft a young guy who can develop into the outside corner or inside corner depending on where DMO & Green play)

Not all needs can be filled via the draft, maybe some FAs after May 12th when FAs won't count against our comp pick net gains/losses.

Thanks for this

There are a lot of unknowns on this roster as it stands. A few of them could be those solid depth pieces the team needs. There could even be a gem in there. They haven't even played one down as a Niner yet and they'll be coached up well pretty soon... can't really write off anyone at this time.

The draft will provide a lot of clarity on the state of the roster. While we'll have to wait to see what the rookies can do this year we'll have no choice but to give them the runway to show their skills.

I'm hoping we use our strategy from last year of bringing in more proven/seasoned players to give them a better chance to hit the ground running.

Would you draft for this upcoming season, or would you go BPA regardless of position while planning for the future?

One thing I have not seen discussed, and that we cannot know without delving into Lynch's mind, iis to what level the team's pre draft analysis played a role in some of its off season decisions, such as releasing Floyd and Collins. I would have a hard time believing that the defensive line depth in this draft did not play a role in the teams decisions to let these players walk. Lynch is too smart. They had plenty of time to evaluate the class before the draft to at least determine how they want to approach team building and free agency.

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny how you can make a statement without providing anything but hyperbole and misremembered narratives that didn't happen as your proof but expect someone disagreeing with you to provide details.

Fine.

First of all I disagree with some of your assessments on missed picks

Here is your list including messed up years.

2023

Jake Moody (3) - remains to be seen if this is a miss
Cameron Latu (3) - bust

2022
Drake Jackson (2) - bust due to injury
Tyron Davis Price (3) - bust
Danny Gray (3) - bust

2021
Trey Lance (1) - big time bust
Trey Sermon (3) - bust
Ambry Thomas (3) - I don't see Ambry as a bust. End of the 3rd round pick the expectations are not a dominant corner. He started a bunch of games for us and was critical in us securing a playoff spot in 2021. Obviously he wasn't a great pick but I don't believe he was a bust either.

2020
Javon Kinlaw (1) - bust due to injury issues, on his 3rd team and got a pretty big contract with Washington

2019
Jalen Hurd (3) - looked like a great pick before injuries destroyed his career before he even started.

2020
Dante Pettis (2) - still in the league. Bust for us but not due to talent.

2019
Solomon Thomas (1) - Bust only for where he was drafted
Reuben Foster (1) - bust due to off the field issues/injuries
CJ Beathard (3) - Drafted to be a backup at the bottom of the 3rd round. That's standard expectation for 3rd/4th round QBs.

Let's look at a team like NE in the same years 2017-2024

Busts
2017 - Derek Rivers(3), Anotonio Garcia(3)
2018 - Duke Dawson(2)
2019 - N'Keal Harry(1), Joejuan Williams(2), Yodny Cajuste(3)
2020 - Dalton Keene(3), Devin Asiasi(3)
2021 - Mac Jones(1), Ronnie Perkins(3)
2022 - Cole Strange(1), Tyquan Thornton(2)
2023 - too early for me to tell

That's 12 busts by NE without me bringing up guys like you have listed like Thomas, Foster, Beathard, Thomas or Moody - guys who have contributed but may end up not being worth the pick they were drafted at or just not very good cuz that would add a bunch more.

49ers have 6 players left from rounds 1-3 with 26 selections since 2019, more specifically 8 first round picks, 5 2nd round picks and 13 3rd round picks.

Pats have 11 players left on their roster from rounds 1-3 with 27 selections since 2019, with 7 first round picks, 8 2nd round picks and 12 3rd round picks.

I'm sure you'd make the claim that the Pats have 5 more players on their roster from those rounds still and that would be right.

The main difference is we lost a lot of early draft capital lately because of the Lance trade and the Pats have been going downhill meaning they didn't have big contracts preventing them from signing guys that would normally leave in FA.

Outside of Christian Gonzalez and looks like Drake Maye there is nobody the Pats since 2017 who is still on that roster that registers as a major hit. Certainly not at the level of Nick Bosa, Aiyuk, Warner or even Deebo.

So yes other teams have similar issues. And as I said before the Lance move was a HUGE miss for us because I strongly believe guys like Sermon and Gray aren't drafted if Lance wasn't the pick.

And who was responsible for that Trey Lance trade?

As for Sermon and Gray, that's your opinion why we drafted them but the fact is we still drafted them and they were busts.

And how is Cole Strange a bust? He's been a good starter for them when healthy.

Why is 2023 too early to tell? They have 3 guys making impacts from that draft in Gonzalez, Mapu and White.

And there is a huge difference of 11 players Vs 6. Might as well say we have 4 because are we really counting Drake Jackson and Moody? A kicker in the 3rd was a huge waste of resources but in this instance he would still count because he is on the roster for now.

So the Pats have 11 draftees from 2023 - 2017 on the roster and we have 5 (counting Moody)

You're kindof proving my point here.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Right now we have 73 players signed.

QB: 13 Brock Purdy(2025), 10 Mac Jones(2026), & 4 Tanner Mordecai(2025)
RB: 23 Christian McCaffrey(2027), 31 Isaac Guerendo(2027), 32 Patrick Taylor Jr.(2025), & 20 Israel Abinikanda(2026)
FB: 44 Kyle Juszcyzk(2026)
WR: 11 Brandon Aiyuk(2028), 15 Jauan Jennings(2025), 1 Ricky Pearsall(2027), -- Demarcus Robinson(2026), 19 Jacob Cowing(2027), 81 Trent Taylor(2025), 83 Terique Owens(2025), 84 Russell Gage(2025), -- Isaiah Hodgins(2025)
TE: 85 George Kittle(2025), -- Luke Farrell(2027), 88 Jake Tonges(2025), 9 Brayden Willis(2025), & 89 Mason Pline(2025)
C: 64 Jake Brendel(2026), 61 Matt Hennessy(2025), & 66 Drake Nugent(2025)
LG: 78 Ben Bartch(2025), 74 Spencer Burford(2025), 63 Nick Zakelj(2025), & 69 Zack Johnson(2025)
RG: 77 Dominick Puni(2027)
LT: 71 Trent Williams(2026), 60 Sebastian Gutierrez(2025), & 67 Isaac Alarcón(2025)
RT: 68 Colton McKivitz(2025), 62 Austen Pleasants(2025), & -- Jalen McKenzie(2025)

DE: 97 Nick Bosa(2028), 94 Yetur Gross-Matos(2025), 91 Sam Okuayinonu(2025), 51 Robert Beal Jr.(2026), 95 Drake Jackson(2025), 58 Alex Barrett(2025), 59 Tarron Jackson(2025), & 96 Jonathan Garvin(2025)
DT: 90 Kevin Givens(2025), & 92 Jordan Elliott(2025)
NT: 93 Kalia Davis(2025), & 69 Evan Anderson(2025)
WLB: 53 Dee Winters(2026), & -- Luke Gifford(2025)
MLB: 54 Fred Warner(2026), 41 Jalen Graham(2025), & 36 Curtis Robinson(2025)
SLB: 48 Tatum Bethune(2027), & 47 DaShaun White(2025)
CB: 2 Deommodore Lenoir(2029), 0 Renardo Green(2027), 28 Darrell Luter Jr.(2026), -- Tre Brown(2025), -- Siran Neal(2026), -- Tre Tomlinson(2026), 36 Tre Avery(2025), & 26 Chase Lucas(2025)
FS: 27 Ji'Ayir Brown(2026), -- Richie Grant(2025), -- Jason Pinnock(2025), & 38 Jaylen Mahoney(2025)
SS: 6 Malik Mustapha(2027), 30 George Odum(2026), & -- Quindell Johnson(2025)

PK: 4 Jake Moody(2026)
P: 3 Mitch Wishnowsky(2026)
LS: 46 Jon Weeks(2025)

I have 38 locks of the 73 players, leaving 15 spots open.

I think our biggest needs come draft time are below.

3rd QB (to compete with Mordecai)
3rd/4th RB (I have Taylor as RB3, but RB4 could be a rook or Abinikanda)
6th WR (Speedy WR, plus Aiyuk & Robinson's statuses are unknown)
3rd TE (Someone who can catch & block ala Kittle)
Future C and/or LG (Possibly compete with Bartch & Burford)
Future LT/Swing T (Someone to either develop behind TW or just as the new Swing T for now)
1-2 EDGE (I like Okuayinonu as one of the 5 EDGE's, so draft 1-2, someone who can be long term opposite Bosa)
1-2 DT/NT (Someone to compete and eventually take over for Elliott & Givens)
LB (depth and maybe someone who can eventually be the new WLB)
6th CB (Draft a young guy who can develop into the outside corner or inside corner depending on where DMO & Green play)

Not all needs can be filled via the draft, maybe some FAs after May 12th when FAs won't count against our comp pick net gains/losses.

Thanks for this

There are a lot of unknowns on this roster as it stands. A few of them could be those solid depth pieces the team needs. There could even be a gem in there. They haven't even played one down as a Niner yet and they'll be coached up well pretty soon... can't really write off anyone at this time.

The draft will provide a lot of clarity on the state of the roster. While we'll have to wait to see what the rookies can do this year we'll have no choice but to give them the runway to show their skills.

I'm hoping we use our strategy from last year of bringing in more proven/seasoned players to give them a better chance to hit the ground running.

Would you draft for this upcoming season, or would you go BPA regardless of position while planning for the future?

It's a tough one. I think this draft plays well into our needs so I think in a bunch of cases the need will match BPA. Normally I'd say BPA but I'm strongly against taking someone like Tyler Warren or Jeanty at 11.

I do think in the later rounds BPA is the way to go but we kind of dug ourselves a hole. Can't leave this draft without at least 3 DL picks, probably 2 DT and 1 DE(and more may make sense too)

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
And who was responsible for that Trey Lance trade?

As for Sermon and Gray, that's your opinion why we drafted them but the fact is we still drafted them and they were busts.

And how is Cole Strange a bust? He's been a good starter for them when healthy.

Why is 2023 too early to tell? They have 3 guys making impacts from that draft in Gonzalez, Mapu and White.

And there is a huge difference of 11 players Vs 6. Might as well say we have 4 because are we really counting Drake Jackson and Moody? A kicker in the 3rd was a huge waste of resources but in this instance he would still count because he is on the roster for now.

So the Pats have 11 draftees from 2023 - 2017 on the roster and we have 5 (counting Moody)

You're kindof proving my point here.

I've said many times the Lance deal was horrible. Your point was this regime is on the hot seat cuz of how they drafted in rounds 1-3, ignoring the finds we've had in the later rounds.

Pats being a weaker team and having more earlier picks in recent history gives them a better opportunity to find more draft picks on their roster now.

In the last 4 years which is typically how long guys wait for new deals 49ers have had 2 1st round picks, 3 2nd round picks and 8 3rd round picks.

Pats in the same time had 4 1st round picks, 4 2nd round picks and 4 3rd round picks.

Unless you really blow a pick you tend to keep your earlier round guys around, especially if you don't have talent on the roster already.

Have we been really bad in the 3rd round? Yes. The RB picks especially have killed us but that's not exactly a round you can safely expect a starter in. Like I said I'd even say a guy like Ambry Thomas wasn't a bust in terms of 3rd round expectations.

In the end the ultimate tell on how the front office is doing is the play on the field and when injuries haven't been a major issue this regime has put out some of the best rosters in the league out there, regardless of some of those epic busts.

You can acknowledge the flaws while appreciating their ability to keep the show going. Most wouldn't be able to recover from the Lance deal. And there's still a chance all the depth we lost from that one bites us in the ass.

But another part of having success via the draft is the coaching and development part of it. Most of the guys we let go are still with other teams. That means someone else in this league thinks they can help their team win games.