John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
there is no gotcha here, just a reality of our young talent has dried up. most all 49er fans can see that

what you're pointing out means absolutely nothing with what is being discussed. Like I said go look at who was being taken at 29th overall (which is where we would have been drafting in the 1st those two yrs). Quit acting like our roster would be magically turned around. SF WAS NOT drafting in the top 11 for years like Philly was.

that is easy to do,

2021 - micah parsons
2022 - cole strange
2023 - bryan bresee

i haven't kept up on bresee. strange would probably be a welcome addition. i think the parsons has been done to death in terms of convo, but again you asked for it, i am giving what was asked.

Looks like you haven't kept up on Strange either...

lol

Mike Gesicki (pass catching TE help) and Rasul Douglas if no more Ward or return of DJ Reed

This article (week ago) also mentions an option at DT to help with rotation and even KICKER It talks of Dalman at center too, but didn't someone in here mention he's not very good at pass protection

Sorry if this was talked about already in here, but... https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/188397-five-high-value-49ers-secure-agency/

I don't love the idea of 2 firsts for Myles...need those picks to keep the window open.

Originally posted by Crown:
I don't love the idea of 2 firsts for Myles...need those picks to keep the window open.

Fans love having picks but the they complain that the 49ers don't know hiw to draft. Garrett is a proven star. Picks are always a question mark.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Crown:
I don't love the idea of 2 firsts for Myles...need those picks to keep the window open.

Fans love having picks but the they complain that the 49ers don't know hiw to draft. Garrett is a proven star. Picks are always a question mark.

Yeah if all it took was 2 firsts for Garrett I'm pulling the trigger. Your trading an extra 1st and using a 1st round pick on a guaranteed all world DE. With our track record of 1st rounders I feel pretty comfortable with the guaranteed stud. Now financially I don't have any clue how it would work.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Crown:
I don't love the idea of 2 firsts for Myles...need those picks to keep the window open.

Fans love having picks but the they complain that the 49ers don't know hiw to draft. Garrett is a proven star. Picks are always a question mark.

Yeah if all it took was 2 firsts for Garrett I'm pulling the trigger. Your trading an extra 1st and using a 1st round pick on a guaranteed all world DE. With our track record of 1st rounders I feel pretty comfortable with the guaranteed stud. Now financially I don't have any clue how it would work.

Ah the money. Always the money. I miss the old days when trades were based on whether the player would help. Hopefully the trade worked for both teams. Now it's about fitting under the cap. Salary dumps. Guaranteed money. Length of contract. Reworking other contracts to fit him in under the cap.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Crown:
I don't love the idea of 2 firsts for Myles...need those picks to keep the window open.

Fans love having picks but the they complain that the 49ers don't know hiw to draft. Garrett is a proven star. Picks are always a question mark.

i don't think it would take two firsts.. i wouldn't mind using a CMC type package

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

EDIT: According to this article… it actually sounds like it would be best for the Browns if they did it March 12-15 than any other time (including after June 1st) am I reading it right? Unless they wanted to absorb a massive cap hit for even more assets in a trade, then they would do it March 16th or later.

An article from The Athletic (which I'm not allowed to link) also says that Browns are already f*cked up, no matter what. And they have 2 options:

"The Browns face a harsh reality while coming off a 3-14 season that netted the No. 2 draft pick and a murkier picture at quarterback. They can either try to keep duct-taping it together and hope there's enough in place to support a young QB while shuffling more cap hits into the 2030 range, or they can take their medicine with the tough contract decisions, field a team with players on near-minimum salaries and recognize there won't be many victories in the short term, similar to the way the Houston Texans recently welcomed a hard reset.
If the Browns trade Garrett, perhaps they can accumulate enough picks to create their next core and attempt to emerge from the contractual chaos in 2027. If they can convince him to stay, they'll have to hope he has enough in the tank to contribute by the time the youth movement catches up.
That seems unlikely, and, frankly, there are too many reasons to believe a divorce makes the most sense."

I would no doubt go the Houston way. And if Browns do the right thing (for them and for once) they have to begin the rebuilding with this next draft and have Garrett traded by then. So we'll know quite soon how all of this is going to be resolved. Or he's traded by March 12-15 or he's not traded.

If Browns decide to trade Garrett, 49ers are in the best place to get him. I think that if they really want him they can get him. And without giving 2 first rounders. Or any player (anyway Browns are not taking any player in exchange if they are going rebuild mode, just draft picks).
Having 11th gives the 49ers a huge advantage over the possible opponents (SB candidates). No other candidate has 49ers' draft capital. The total draft capital avalaible for the Detroit Lions this year is 1.111, less than just only 49ers' 11th (1.250).
The only candidate team which whole 2025 draft capital surpass 49ers' 11th is Baltimore, 1281. And SF's 2025 draft capital is something like 2.200

So if 49ers offer his 11th and his 2026' 2nd rounder (giving to the 2026' draft 60% of the 2025' value, this offer's value woul be 1.436), Batimore should offer just to equal it 2025' 1st, 2nd and 4th rounders plus 2026' 1st rounder (this offer's value would be also 1.436).

And if 49ers add, for example, his first 2025' 3rd to the above offer (1641), the only way Balt can equal it would be offering 2025' and 2026' both 1st and 2nd rounders (1644). I don't think any team will offer 2 first rounders and 2 seconds for a 30yo player. But 49ers have to give just a first, next year's second and a third. It's far more assumable and I would do it, no doubt. It's Myles f*cking Garrett.

Even in the case that Balt or any other team will be willing to equal this 49ers' offer (11th, 2026' 2nd rounder and 2025' 3rd rounder) , SF could add his other 2025' 3rd rounder and then the only offer any other team could do to equal it would be 2025', 2026' and 2027' (the extraordinary draft year) 1st rounders and 2025' and 2026' 2nd rounders which would be completely insane.

So I think there's a decent possibility of Garrett being traded and then 49ers getting him for something like 2025' 1st and 3th rounders, 2026' 2nd rounder.

i just don't see myles garrett. brock needs a new deal. i think we get dre done, so we pay 2 off ball linebackers, and we pay nick about the top D player salary, and we pay a lot of guys on O also. also i question if garrett would want to go to SF. he wants to win and be on a contender. that's what's sorely lacking for him. we won 6 games. in his mind, KC would certainly be more of a contender for a ring. in anyones mind really.

Originally posted by replikante:
An article from The Athletic (which I'm not allowed to link) also says that Browns are already f*cked up, no matter what. And they have 2 options:

"The Browns face a harsh reality while coming off a 3-14 season that netted the No. 2 draft pick and a murkier picture at quarterback. They can either try to keep duct-taping it together and hope there's enough in place to support a young QB while shuffling more cap hits into the 2030 range, or they can take their medicine with the tough contract decisions, field a team with players on near-minimum salaries and recognize there won't be many victories in the short term, similar to the way the Houston Texans recently welcomed a hard reset.
If the Browns trade Garrett, perhaps they can accumulate enough picks to create their next core and attempt to emerge from the contractual chaos in 2027. If they can convince him to stay, they'll have to hope he has enough in the tank to contribute by the time the youth movement catches up.
That seems unlikely, and, frankly, there are too many reasons to believe a divorce makes the most sense."

I would no doubt go the Houston way. And if Browns do the right thing (for them and for once) they have to begin the rebuilding with this next draft and have Garrett traded by then. So we'll know quite soon how all of this is going to be resolved. Or he's traded by March 12-15 or he's not traded.

If Browns decide to trade Garrett, 49ers are in the best place to get him. I think that if they really want him they can get him. And without giving 2 first rounders. Or any player (anyway Browns are not taking any player in exchange if they are going rebuild mode, just draft picks).
Having 11th gives the 49ers a huge advantage over the possible opponents (SB candidates). No other candidate has 49ers' draft capital. The total draft capital avalaible for the Detroit Lions this year is 1.111, less than just only 49ers' 11th (1.250).
The only candidate team which whole 2025 draft capital surpass 49ers' 11th is Baltimore, 1281. And SF's 2025 draft capital is something like 2.200

So if 49ers offer his 11th and his 2026' 2nd rounder (giving to the 2026' draft 60% of the 2025' value, this offer's value woul be 1.436), Batimore should offer just to equal it 2025' 1st, 2nd and 4th rounders plus 2026' 1st rounder (this offer's value would be also 1.436).

And if 49ers add, for example, his first 2025' 3rd to the above offer (1641), the only way Balt can equal it would be offering 2025' and 2026' both 1st and 2nd rounders (1644). I don't think any team will offer 2 first rounders and 2 seconds for a 30yo player. But 49ers have to give just a first, next year's second and a third. It's far more assumable and I would do it, no doubt. It's Myles f*cking Garrett.

Even in the case that Balt or any other team will be willing to equal this 49ers' offer (11th, 2026' 2nd rounder and 2025' 3rd rounder) , SF could add his other 2025' 3rd rounder and then the only offer any other team could do to equal it would be 2025', 2026' and 2027' (the extraordinary draft year) 1st rounders and 2025' and 2026' 2nd rounders which would be completely insane.

So I think there's a decent possibility of Garrett being traded and then 49ers getting him for something like 2025' 1st and 3th rounders, 2026' 2nd rounder.

This is exactly what I've been saying. #11 overall will HAVE to be part of any trade, because that's also our leverage over teams like the Commanders/Lions (#28/29) that people are floating around as trade destinations.

If I'm the Browns, I would happily take #11 and a 2026 2nd over #28 and a 2026 1st. Personally, the most I would offer would be #11, one of our thirds this year (maybe offer #99 and let them
negotiate for #75) and a 2026 2nd. And that's probably enough to get it done.

People keep saying "two vs. three 1sts" but that's only the discussion if you're picking say #26 or later. If you're picking in the top 12 it's a completely different story because one of those top 12's is basically worth TWO #28's. I really don't think we have to give up two 1sts. It might seal the deal if another team gets aggressive, but it might not be necessary.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just don't see myles garrett. brock needs a new deal. i think we get dre done, so we pay 2 off ball linebackers, and we pay nick about the top D player salary, and we pay a lot of guys on O also. also i question if garrett would want to go to SF. he wants to win and be on a contender. that's what's sorely lacking for him. we won 6 games. in his mind, KC would certainly be more of a contender for a ring. in anyones mind really.

Dre isn't gonna get some top do the market deal. He simply hasn't been healthy enough, really his whole career.

question why a guy would want to come to a team that been to multiple SBs and NFCC over the course of the past 6 yrs? Yeah you're right he would hate that. He would have playing across from Bosa and on an offense when healthy is as dominant as anyone in the league.

the Browns are part of this equation, you want the 11th overall pick or the 32nd. KC is losing a handful of players this yr all the same

aaahOriginally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just don't see myles garrett. brock needs a new deal. i think we get dre done, so we pay 2 off ball linebackers, and we pay nick about the top D player salary, and we pay a lot of guys on O also. also i question if garrett would want to go to SF. he wants to win and be on a contender. that's what's sorely lacking for him. we won 6 games. in his mind, KC would certainly be more of a contender for a ring. in anyones mind really.

naah, Dre's contract should be affordable (everybody is talking something around 6M in a 1 year prove-it contract) and next yeaar the salary cap is going to explode after finishing the COVID corrections. Sign him now and backload the deal.
Besides, if they sign Garrett they can cut both Lloyd and Gross-Matos (both don't deseve the 10M they are due next season).It would save 16M. That's almost what Garrett would earn with his current contract and close to what he possibly would earn with a new one (if he signs a new one).

I think it's possible to have Brock, Bossa, Garrett, Warner, Dre, Ayiuk, Kittle,.. long term with the awaited cap explosion. They will certainly need to cut some more players and sign cheap players in FA. Fortunately there are some very good and very cheap players in this next FA.

Originally posted by replikante:

aaahOriginally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just don't see myles garrett. brock needs a new deal. i think we get dre done, so we pay 2 off ball linebackers, and we pay nick about the top D player salary, and we pay a lot of guys on O also. also i question if garrett would want to go to SF. he wants to win and be on a contender. that's what's sorely lacking for him. we won 6 games. in his mind, KC would certainly be more of a contender for a ring. in anyones mind really.

naah, Dre's contract should be affordable (everybody is talking something around 6M in a 1 year prove-it contract) and next yeaar the salary cap is going to explode after finishing the COVID corrections. Sign him now and backload the deal.
Besides, if they sign Garrett they can cut both Lloyd and Gross-Matos (both don't deseve the 10M they are due next season).It would save 16M. That's almost what Garrett would earn with his current contract and close to what he possibly would earn with a new one (if he signs a new one).

I think it's possible to have Brock, Bossa, Garrett, Warner, Dre, Ayiuk, Kittle,.. long term with the awaited cap explosion. They will certainly need to cut some more players and sign cheap players in FA. Fortunately there are some very good and very cheap players in this next FA.

what MM was saying on knbr this morning is whatever team trades picks for garrett will probably have to redo his deal right away, and make him the highest paid non qb essentially.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by replikante:

aaahOriginally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just don't see myles garrett. brock needs a new deal. i think we get dre done, so we pay 2 off ball linebackers, and we pay nick about the top D player salary, and we pay a lot of guys on O also. also i question if garrett would want to go to SF. he wants to win and be on a contender. that's what's sorely lacking for him. we won 6 games. in his mind, KC would certainly be more of a contender for a ring. in anyones mind really.

naah, Dre's contract should be affordable (everybody is talking something around 6M in a 1 year prove-it contract) and next yeaar the salary cap is going to explode after finishing the COVID corrections. Sign him now and backload the deal.
Besides, if they sign Garrett they can cut both Lloyd and Gross-Matos (both don't deseve the 10M they are due next season).It would save 16M. That's almost what Garrett would earn with his current contract and close to what he possibly would earn with a new one (if he signs a new one).

I think it's possible to have Brock, Bossa, Garrett, Warner, Dre, Ayiuk, Kittle,.. long term with the awaited cap explosion. They will certainly need to cut some more players and sign cheap players in FA. Fortunately there are some very good and very cheap players in this next FA.

what MM was saying on knbr this morning is whatever team trades picks for garrett will probably have to redo his deal right away, and make him the highest paid non qb essentially.

Redo his deal, or extend him?

There's a difference between ripping his contract
up and straight up giving him a 5-year $180M deal starting now, or just keeping his current contract (low cap hit in 2025-2026) and giving him, say, a two-year $72M extension that begins in 2027 (with some of it guaranteed of course).

Both technically make him the "highest paid" non-QB but one is much more manageable than the other.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by replikante:

aaahOriginally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just don't see myles garrett. brock needs a new deal. i think we get dre done, so we pay 2 off ball linebackers, and we pay nick about the top D player salary, and we pay a lot of guys on O also. also i question if garrett would want to go to SF. he wants to win and be on a contender. that's what's sorely lacking for him. we won 6 games. in his mind, KC would certainly be more of a contender for a ring. in anyones mind really.

naah, Dre's contract should be affordable (everybody is talking something around 6M in a 1 year prove-it contract) and next yeaar the salary cap is going to explode after finishing the COVID corrections. Sign him now and backload the deal.
Besides, if they sign Garrett they can cut both Lloyd and Gross-Matos (both don't deseve the 10M they are due next season).It would save 16M. That's almost what Garrett would earn with his current contract and close to what he possibly would earn with a new one (if he signs a new one).

I think it's possible to have Brock, Bossa, Garrett, Warner, Dre, Ayiuk, Kittle,.. long term with the awaited cap explosion. They will certainly need to cut some more players and sign cheap players in FA. Fortunately there are some very good and very cheap players in this next FA.

what MM was saying on knbr this morning is whatever team trades picks for garrett will probably have to redo his deal right away, and make him the highest paid non qb essentially.

Redo his deal, or extend him?

There's a difference between ripping his contract
up and straight up giving him a 5-year $180M deal starting now, or just keeping his current contract (low cap hit in 2025-2026) and giving him, say, a two-year $72M extension that begins in 2027 (with some of it guaranteed of course).

Both technically make him the "highest paid" non-QB but one is much more manageable than the other.

good question. i am not 100% on the details. he just said it would be unlikely he just plays on the current deal. his expectation is there would be a new deal or extension with major money involved beyond the deal he has now. that makes sense to me. kind of like with russ or watson you trade these guys in and you are pot committed so you give them the banana bucks. now given his age, his desire for a winning team, his likely contract demands, maybe the trade comp isn't gonna be as great for cleveland as it probably should be.