John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
But to be fair, the 49ers never really had to draft DL. Since Shanahan and Lynch came to SF, they always had Buckner and Armstead or Armstead and DJ Jones or Armstead and Kevin Givens/Charles Omenihu. Then they signed Javon Hargrave who we all thought was the best signing of all time when they picked him up. The only real miss was Javon Kinlaw, other than that the 49ers had needs in other areas.

they talk about DL being one of the most important position on their roster. It's the one position group that you can rotate a bunch of dudes throughout a game and they haven't done crap there via the draft.

they didn't draft Buck/AA. I don't give them any credit for them being here (they did trade Buck though). They traded for guys like Collins/Omenihu/young/ford etc. they signed Key and Hardgrave. Those aren't homegrown Kyle/john guys that they scouted and drafted.

They've missed on every pick they've made at DL besides Jones (who they didn't resign) and Bosa which imo is about as easy as it gets.

they should have stocked the DL with those damn picks that they threw away for kicker/punter/TE/WR/CB on day 2/3etc etc. it's just as bad when you miss out on taking a player as it is when you draft a bad one in their place.

I'm just responding to the part where you said they suck at scouting that position. And my point is that they didn't really need to put much stock into scouting that position since they've always had adequate starers on the interior D-line.

I take back my opinion of trading for Garrett because they could still draft and trade up for Graham and trade for Garrett. Since the Browns can't trade him till after June 1st.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I take back my opinion of trading for Garrett because they could still draft and trade up for Graham and trade for Garrett. Since the Browns can't trade him till after June 1st.

I have no clue how true this is but apparently there's like a three-day window at the start of the league year (like March 12-15 or something) where it's still somewhat reasonable for the Browns to officially trade Garrett because a bonus is due on the 15th? Again, no clue how true this is. Just some ""cap experts"" online that could be full of it.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I take back my opinion of trading for Garrett because they could still draft and trade up for Graham and trade for Garrett. Since the Browns can't trade him till after June 1st.

I have no clue how true this is but apparently there's like a three-day window at the start of the league year (like March 12-15 or something) where it's still somewhat reasonable for the Browns to officially trade Garrett because a bonus is due on the 15th? Again, no clue how true this is. Just some ""cap experts"" online that could be full of it.

From what I read, before June the cap hit will be $35 mil, after June it will be only $22 mil with $4.9 mil savings.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm just responding to the part where you said they suck at scouting that position. And my point is that they didn't really need to put much stock into scouting that position since they've always had adequate starers on the interior D-line.

I got what you're saying and I kinda disagree. They talk about how much they value the position and have failed overall at restocking the position via the draft.

when you have almost 70 draft picks and the best guy you scouted was DJ jones that's a failure imo.

Go look at the eagles. They've had "adequate" starters in place for a while and it didn't stop them from drafting good DL all the same. Until they can prove that they can actually rebuild the DL via the draft, I'm not gonna say they can do it. I think that's a fair statement.

the DL grouping overall is one of the most rotated position groups in football. It's not like the OL where it's set it and forget it. Guys aren't rotating in and out on the OL and if they are that's a problem.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I take back my opinion of trading for Garrett because they could still draft and trade up for Graham and trade for Garrett. Since the Browns can't trade him till after June 1st.

I have no clue how true this is but apparently there's like a three-day window at the start of the league year (like March 12-15 or something) where it's still somewhat reasonable for the Browns to officially trade Garrett because a bonus is due on the 15th? Again, no clue how true this is. Just some ""cap experts"" online that could be full of it.

From what I read, before June the cap hit will be $35 mil, after June it will be only $22 mil with $4.9 mil savings.

The browns with Watson on the books for $73M the next two yrs, their all-time sack master wanting out and being $30M in the red

am i the only person finding this tee higgins to be nonsense? we are already paying deebo, BA, george out the clacker. can someone explain what is going on here?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I have no clue how true this is but apparently there's like a three-day window at the start of the league year (like March 12-15 or something) where it's still somewhat reasonable for the Browns to officially trade Garrett because a bonus is due on the 15th? Again, no clue how true this is. Just some ""cap experts"" online that could be full of it.

He's got a roster bonus on 3/16.

I guess it depends on if the Browns want to tear s**t down to the studs and start over or do whatever they're doing now.

Looking at their cap situation, they're in such a bad spot 😵‍💫

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
am i the only person finding this tee higgins to be nonsense? we are already paying deebo, BA, george out the clacker. can someone explain what is going on here?

since you're new here and can't remember anything in the past.. We will be linked to a lot FAs in the offseason by people who are posting clickbait

It's a shame that every move in professional sports is linked or dependant on money. Can we afford it? Will he fit under our cap? How will his salary affect ther other players?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm just responding to the part where you said they suck at scouting that position. And my point is that they didn't really need to put much stock into scouting that position since they've always had adequate starers on the interior D-line.

I got what you're saying and I kinda disagree. They talk about how much they value the position and have failed overall at restocking the position via the draft.

when you have almost 70 draft picks and the best guy you scouted was DJ jones that's a failure imo.

Go look at the eagles. They've had "adequate" starters in place for a while and it didn't stop them from drafting good DL all the same. Until they can prove that they can actually rebuild the DL via the draft, I'm not gonna say they can do it. I think that's a fair statement.

the DL grouping overall is one of the most rotated position groups in football. It's not like the OL where it's set it and forget it. Guys aren't rotating in and out on the OL and if they are that's a problem.

Eagles actually only drafted DL to replace Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave. Both left a year later. It's not like they were stock piling them.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm just responding to the part where you said they suck at scouting that position. And my point is that they didn't really need to put much stock into scouting that position since they've always had adequate starers on the interior D-line.

I got what you're saying and I kinda disagree. They talk about how much they value the position and have failed overall at restocking the position via the draft.

when you have almost 70 draft picks and the best guy you scouted was DJ jones that's a failure imo.

Go look at the eagles. They've had "adequate" starters in place for a while and it didn't stop them from drafting good DL all the same. Until they can prove that they can actually rebuild the DL via the draft, I'm not gonna say they can do it. I think that's a fair statement.

the DL grouping overall is one of the most rotated position groups in football. It's not like the OL where it's set it and forget it. Guys aren't rotating in and out on the OL and if they are that's a problem.

Eagles actually only drafted DL to replace Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave. Both left a year later. It's not like they were stock piling them.

the big distinction is philly didn't whiff at QB like we did, we lost years of ones. one of the more bizarre moves, a project QB on a win now SB window team

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm just responding to the part where you said they suck at scouting that position. And my point is that they didn't really need to put much stock into scouting that position since they've always had adequate starers on the interior D-line.

I got what you're saying and I kinda disagree. They talk about how much they value the position and have failed overall at restocking the position via the draft.

when you have almost 70 draft picks and the best guy you scouted was DJ jones that's a failure imo.

Go look at the eagles. They've had "adequate" starters in place for a while and it didn't stop them from drafting good DL all the same. Until they can prove that they can actually rebuild the DL via the draft, I'm not gonna say they can do it. I think that's a fair statement.

the DL grouping overall is one of the most rotated position groups in football. It's not like the OL where it's set it and forget it. Guys aren't rotating in and out on the OL and if they are that's a problem.

Eagles actually only drafted DL to replace Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave. Both left a year later. It's not like they were stock piling them.

the big distinction is philly didn't whiff at QB like we did, we lost years of ones. one of the more bizarre moves, a project QB on a win now SB window team

Eagles weakest link is QB

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Eagles actually only drafted DL to replace Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave. Both left a year later. It's not like they were stock piling them.

Drafted Davis, Carter & Nolen to all start on that DL. They make trades and sign guys constantly to beef up that DL. Pittsburgh and the Ravens do it all the same.

SF hasn't been good at drafting DL. The results speak for themselves.
folks talking about the Rams rebuilding that DL in two yrs and SF could just do it lol. Why do people assume that? They could have taken Fiske over Pearsall. They could have taken Turner over Brown. They could have easily moved up to get B Young instead of taking a f**king kicker and some TE that had no business going in the back end of the 3rd etc etc.

look I got no problem how they build the DL, trade those damn picks if your not capable of scouting that position properly. Spend the cash on proven younger guys, not older dudes past their prime like Hargrave and Floyd. I'm tired of seeing a revolving door at DE across from Bosa. They should have invested SOMETHING in the draft at IDL this past offseason.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm just responding to the part where you said they suck at scouting that position. And my point is that they didn't really need to put much stock into scouting that position since they've always had adequate starers on the interior D-line.

I got what you're saying and I kinda disagree. They talk about how much they value the position and have failed overall at restocking the position via the draft.

when you have almost 70 draft picks and the best guy you scouted was DJ jones that's a failure imo.

Go look at the eagles. They've had "adequate" starters in place for a while and it didn't stop them from drafting good DL all the same. Until they can prove that they can actually rebuild the DL via the draft, I'm not gonna say they can do it. I think that's a fair statement.

the DL grouping overall is one of the most rotated position groups in football. It's not like the OL where it's set it and forget it. Guys aren't rotating in and out on the OL and if they are that's a problem.

Eagles actually only drafted DL to replace Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave. Both left a year later. It's not like they were stock piling them.

the big distinction is philly didn't whiff at QB like we did, we lost years of ones. one of the more bizarre moves, a project QB on a win now SB window team

Eagles weakest link is QB

i think hurts is misunderstood by folks who maybe look at the passing numbers. in 4 years he has 50+ rush Tds. lot of good RBs never even did that. it's a triple threat. he can give to saquon, he can pull it and run, or he can pull it and throw.