John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by paulk205:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Two #1's is about right… if you're the Rams/Lions/Commanders and you're picking #26 or later.

If you're us and we're picking #11 then two 1sts is too many, unless it's 2026 and 2027 1sts. #11 is valued at about two #25's.

That #11 does give us leverage over the other teams I mentioned, though. #11 and a 2026 2nd (and some chips on the side) is a much more attractive offer than a lot of other teams have to offer.

I can not stress enough that for the Browns, picks >>>>> players. They're not going to want a 31-year-old Kupp or a gadget Deebo or a decent non-rookie corner. They're going to want picks. They're stuck with Watson for a few more years and Garrett wants out, so no player is going to help them short term or long term. And therefore that #11 pick is our leverage.

Friend, who cares where "#11 is valued at" in some chart? Who cares? Kiper? Draftniks? Why? Why do they matter?

The correct way to see it is: are you picking two players at #11 and next year's 1st rounder (one hopes at #32 ) who are going to produce as much as one of the three top defensive players in the NFL in his prime? A proven quality against two possibles at best? When our own star core is aging fast?

Possibly. Unlikely. You have to hit on both youngsters. The draft bust rate for the 1st round is about 2 to 1, and the star rate is probably 1 in 10. Garett is not a certainty (who is?) but he's damn more likely to hit immediately than one rookie this year and another next year.

The Rams, who everyone is using as the yardstick here, had no problem "mortgaging their future"... and have a championship to show for it.

"Value" has, well, value when you are rebuilding, or when you are several pieces away. We are not one piece away (no team is), but we are quite talented yet but our talent is aging. The time to strike is now. The questions are: Do we like Garett? Can we fit him under the cap? Forget "value".

Now, I'm not saying to pull a Ricky Williams trade here, nor a Herschel Walker one. We still need to pick a bunch of players. Luckily we have a boatload of picks. Pick them and hope some of them contribute quickly. But the same holds for whoever gets picked (by whoever) at #11. You hope, you do not KNOW. You don't quite know with a veteran superstar either (see Haynesworth, Albert), but the chances are better.

You're correct from our perspective, but I was looking at it from the Browns' perspective. They're going to want picks more than anything else and they want those picks to be as high quality as possible, both to justify such a trade and give them more flexibility (perhaps they trade down from #11 and get a future 1st, who knows).

This is why a trade makes at least some sort of sense. We value Garrett and the two years left on his contract highly, more highly than the Browns (who aren't competing for at least three years) do. Browns value a high 1st highly, more highly than we do.

#11, our comp 3rd and a 2026 2nd is more valuable to the Browns than, say, #28 and a 2026 1st. Our first being #11 instead of low 20's matters to the Browns.

This is what I was thinking also. Browns can also trade down from there and accumulate more picks whether it's this year or next year. I would be ecstatic for a 1 this year and a 2 in 2026. Heck, a 1st next year instead of 2 I will be ok too. We still have a bunch of picks to go wild and address other needs/depth in this draft.

1st traded for Miles Garrett
2nd- Darius Alexander or any other DL here
3rd
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4th
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6th
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7th

Sign like DJ Jones in FA and our weakness unit last year has now been solidified.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I'm telling you all:

The. Browns. Do. Not. Want. Players. And they certainly don't want a player like Deebo who's no longer on his rookie contract.

If they unload Garrett, they're going to want picks. That's it. You mention the NFL overvalues picks. The Browns are going to value them EVEN MORE than the average team if they trade Garrett because that's virtually the only thing that's going to help them at all. I will be stunned if they even accept a single player in whatever king's ransom they get, unless it's someone who was just drafted last year.

I would argue the Browns could be offered Cooper Kupp + #26 overall this year and they would say "nah, we would rather have two future 1sts, thanks."

Think 2018 Raiders-Bears Khalil Mack trade (a tiny bit less than two future 1sts). That's the kind of deal Cleveland is looking for. Mack was two years younger but was also seeking a brand new contract effective immediately. Garrett is 29 with two years remaining so it'll probably be a very similar deal.

Personally, I would offer #11 and 2026 2nd and then let them try to bargain one more pick (like our comp 3rd).

Yeah, just trade Deebo on a separate deal if we need to move him.

Originally posted by genus49:
It's just not going to happen as much as it makes sense.

You can't have Bosa getting what he's getting and Brock about to get his deal and trade for a guy who will want a contract bigger than Bosas.

It's just too many eggs in one basket. Everything is logical - Garrett is a proven stud and you have no idea who you're going to get with #11.

BUT right now one of the biggest issues we had last year is lack of depth, trading away picks is going to hit that even more and make us even more top heavy.

Unless we can get this done for #11 and couple of later picks next year and say Deebo I think we gotta walk away.

It can definitely happen and last year wasn't the lack of depth it was literally every star player got hurt. Ward, Hufanga, Bosa, Hargrave, Greenlaw, Drake Jackson, Trent Williams, Kittle, Pearsall, Deebo, Ayuik, McCaffery, Mitchell, Moody, Wishnowski, the list goes on and on. No depth will overcome that, I actually think we have good depth outside of OL and maybe DB.

It's doable but we'd have to potentiallylet players walk like Greenlaw, Hufanga, Jennings, or trade Deebo and I'm all for it to have two DPOYs on both ends the only thing more important than a QB is pass rush and we have a chance at getting two HOFs under 30 for several years

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's just not going to happen as much as it makes sense.

You can't have Bosa getting what he's getting and Brock about to get his deal and trade for a guy who will want a contract bigger than Bosas.

It's just too many eggs in one basket. Everything is logical - Garrett is a proven stud and you have no idea who you're going to get with #11.

BUT right now one of the biggest issues we had last year is lack of depth, trading away picks is going to hit that even more and make us even more top heavy.

Unless we can get this done for #11 and couple of later picks next year and say Deebo I think we gotta walk away.

It can definitely happen and last year wasn't the lack of depth it was literally every star player got hurt. Ward, Hufanga, Bosa, Hargrave, Greenlaw, Drake Jackson, Trent Williams, Kittle, Pearsall, Deebo, Ayuik, McCaffery, Mitchell, Moody, Wishnowski, the list goes on and on. No depth will overcome that, I actually think we have good depth outside of OL and maybe DB.

It's doable but we'd have to potentiallylet players walk like Greenlaw, Hufanga, Jennings, or trade Deebo and I'm all for it to have two DPOYs on both ends the only thing more important than a QB is pass rush and we have a chance at getting two HOFs under 30 for several years

Why oh why is Jennings and Greenlaw and maybe even Hufanga on let walk list until we have to. The sum of these three guys greater than one player. Jennings is turning out to be the best WR we have. I'd put my easter eggs in his basket over BA or Deeb. He is amazing.

The fan base has a fascination with trade the farm for one aging (yes won't he be 30 this year?) player although a superstar. When he is gone in two years I would hope Jennings and Greenlaw still here fighting the good fight.

If we could land him and not lose a number of other players, awesome, go! If it means we lose the others, lets smarten up and pass. Big name free agents are exciting but sometimes heads prevail in what the correct approach is.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Why oh why is Jennings and Greenlaw and maybe even Hufanga on let walk list until we have to. The sum of these three guys greater than one player. Jennings is turning out to be the best WR we have. I'd put my easter eggs in his basket over BA or Deeb. He is amazing.

The fan base has a fascination with trade the farm for one aging (yes won't he be 30 this year?) player although a superstar. When he is gone in two years I would hope Jennings and Greenlaw still here fighting the good fight.

If we could land him and not lose a number of other players, awesome, go! If it means we lose the others, lets smarten up and pass. Big name free agents are exciting but sometimes heads prevail in what the correct approach is.

i doubt ol myles even wants to come here we are more likely to have gross matos

My gosh… someone on the Browns subreddit thinks they'll get #11 overall, #43 overall, our 2026 1st AND one of Deebo/Aiyuk.

These fans are so delusional lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

i doubt ol myles even wants to come here we are more likely to have gross matos

This pretty much secures MG to 49ers lol

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Why oh why is Jennings and Greenlaw and maybe even Hufanga on let walk list until we have to. The sum of these three guys greater than one player. Jennings is turning out to be the best WR we have. I'd put my easter eggs in his basket over BA or Deeb. He is amazing.

The fan base has a fascination with trade the farm for one aging (yes won't he be 30 this year?) player although a superstar. When he is gone in two years I would hope Jennings and Greenlaw still here fighting the good fight.

If we could land him and not lose a number of other players, awesome, go! If it means we lose the others, lets smarten up and pass. Big name free agents are exciting but sometimes heads prevail in what the correct approach is.

If it meant having two HOF on the edge that'd help more than Greenlaw and Hufanga coming back. I'd keep Jennings and trade Deebo if possible. Garrett Bosa has the potential of being the greatest pass rush duo ever

Von Miller x Demarcus Ware ~ Won a Super Bowl

Michael Strahan x Justin Tuck ~ Won a Super Bowl

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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
My gosh… someone on the Browns subreddit thinks they'll get #11 overall, #43 overall, our 2026 1st AND one of Deebo/Aiyuk.

These fans are so delusional lol

Lol Jesus. Myles is a stud, but he's almost 30 and there's a massive difference in giving up say the 11th overall pick and the 25th pick or whatever. Whatever team gets him will more than likely have to pay him.

I could see 11, our comp 3rd and a 2nd in 2026. Why would Cleveland want Deebo? He's a FA in a yr. SF eats $62M in DM moving BA. I can't in good conscience send Deebo to the browns anyway lol.

the browns are in a no win situation. They need to tear s**t down and eat the money this yr. Move Myles and cut some other guys to make it all work. Tell Watson to stay home.

move that 2nd pick for a future 1st and some picks this yr…if LV loves ward or sanders, tell them to give up a future 1st and some picks this yr. The browns could take a good player at 7 or move down for more picks.

they're gonna be awful next yr and could be in line to take Archie manning or whomever is the next QB stud in the 2026 draft. Do what the Texans did. Cut bait and rebuild.

Couple other good EDGE guys that "could" be traded imo.

Maxx Crosby- wants to win games for once (and his GTD cash is coming to an end).
Trey Hendrickson-due an extension and Cinci is notoriously cheap (and have to pay Chase)
TJ Watt - watt is due an extension and they might want to go in a different direction.
Joey Bosa-last yr of his deal, coming off his worst yr and he might take a discount to play with his bro.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Why oh why is Jennings and Greenlaw and maybe even Hufanga on let walk list until we have to. The sum of these three guys greater than one player. Jennings is turning out to be the best WR we have. I'd put my easter eggs in his basket over BA or Deeb. He is amazing.

The fan base has a fascination with trade the farm for one aging (yes won't he be 30 this year?) player although a superstar. When he is gone in two years I would hope Jennings and Greenlaw still here fighting the good fight.

If we could land him and not lose a number of other players, awesome, go! If it means we lose the others, lets smarten up and pass. Big name free agents are exciting but sometimes heads prevail in what the correct approach is.

Huff and Dre can't stay on the field. Day 3 picks that overplayed their draft position. Love Dre but LBer and S are not remotely close to as impactful as having an elite EDGE.

Same with JJ, 7th rd pick that outplayed his draft position. You're not taking him over EDGE. You can find a guy who's primarily out there in 11 personnel or run blocking.

Every team loses players, is what it is. If you have a chance to get a game wrecker across from Bosa you do it. All the guys you mentioned are day 3 picks and guess what we got a f**k ton of those picks to rebuild there. Guys like Myles come around once a generation and are top 5 picks in any draft.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's just not going to happen as much as it makes sense.

You can't have Bosa getting what he's getting and Brock about to get his deal and trade for a guy who will want a contract bigger than Bosas.

It's just too many eggs in one basket. Everything is logical - Garrett is a proven stud and you have no idea who you're going to get with #11.

BUT right now one of the biggest issues we had last year is lack of depth, trading away picks is going to hit that even more and make us even more top heavy.

Unless we can get this done for #11 and couple of later picks next year and say Deebo I think we gotta walk away.

It can definitely happen and last year wasn't the lack of depth it was literally every star player got hurt. Ward, Hufanga, Bosa, Hargrave, Greenlaw, Drake Jackson, Trent Williams, Kittle, Pearsall, Deebo, Ayuik, McCaffery, Mitchell, Moody, Wishnowski, the list goes on and on. No depth will overcome that, I actually think we have good depth outside of OL and maybe DB.

It's doable but we'd have to potentiallylet players walk like Greenlaw, Hufanga, Jennings, or trade Deebo and I'm all for it to have two DPOYs on both ends the only thing more important than a QB is pass rush and we have a chance at getting two HOFs under 30 for several years

Buddy no way you listed Drake Jackson or even some of those other guys with the likes of Bosa, Greenlaw, Trent, Kittle, Aiyuk and CMC...

And guess what? That's DEPTH issues. Yes when you have top end injuries that will rock any roster but if we're being real half the guys you mentioned missed a handful of games. CMC, Greenlaw and Aiyuk were the only impact players to miss more than half the season.

We all love those guys and know how important they are to this team but a RB, LB and a WR should not be the reason why a defending conference champ only wins 6 games if you have decent depth in place.

Getting talented, young and cheap players on this roster is critical in helping us get back to the grind of long seasons and instill some hunger in this roster too.

Too many fat paychecks out there.

Originally posted by genus49:
Buddy no way you listed Drake Jackson or even some of those other guys with the likes of Bosa, Greenlaw, Trent, Kittle, Aiyuk and CMC...

And guess what? That's DEPTH issues. Yes when you have top end injuries that will rock any roster but if we're being real half the guys you mentioned missed a handful of games. CMC, Greenlaw and Aiyuk were the only impact players to miss more than half the season.

We all love those guys and know how important they are to this team but a RB, LB and a WR should not be the reason why a defending conference champ only wins 6 games if you have decent depth in place.

Getting talented, young and cheap players on this roster is critical in helping us get back to the grind of long seasons and instill some hunger in this roster too.

Too many fat paychecks out there.

I completely disagree that you can't make it happen. We got guys like Hardgrave, Deebo, and LT whose time in SF is either done or very shortly will be done (less than 2 yrs). They will most likely extend Kittle which will lower his cap now and they can restructure Warner which frees up like $12M.

Brock will get paid, it also will not affect the cap horribly for like 3 yrs, if he turns into a baller then it's restructure and keep the train moving.

they're simply reallocating where they invest that cash. DTs will be draft picks instead of massive contract signings. LT will be a future pick instead of the most expensive player at the position. RB will be a draft pick instead of the most expensive player at his position. Myles' cap hit the next two years is next to nothing. Even if you give him a new deal, s**t will be a high signing bonus and low cap hits for the next couple yrs.

they can absolutely get good young players on cheap contracts AND bring in a guy like Myles. This draft imo stinks at the top (compared to other yrs). Please take my 11th overall pick for Myles and I'll go build up the roster with all my day 2/3 picks (like we've been doing for years).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
My gosh… someone on the Browns subreddit thinks they'll get #11 overall, #43 overall, our 2026 1st AND one of Deebo/Aiyuk.

These fans are so delusional lol

Lol Jesus. Myles is a stud, but he's almost 30 and there's a massive difference in giving up say the 11th overall pick and the 25th pick or whatever. Whatever team gets him will more than likely have to pay him.

I could see 11, our comp 3rd and a 2nd in 2026. Why would Cleveland want Deebo? He's a FA in a yr. SF eats $62M in DM moving BA. I can't in good conscience send Deebo to the browns anyway lol.

the browns are in a no win situation. They need to tear s**t down and eat the money this yr. Move Myles and cut some other guys to make it all work. Tell Watson to stay home.

move that 2nd pick for a future 1st and some picks this yr…if LV loves ward or sanders, tell them to give up a future 1st and some picks this yr. The browns could take a good player at 7 or move down for more picks.

they're gonna be awful next yr and could be in line to take Archie manning or whomever is the next QB stud in the 2026 draft. Do what the Texans did. Cut bait and rebuild.

I mean we had fans thinking we would get high picks and a player for Aiyuk same with Deebo. Fans typically overvalue their own guys. Browns fans however have a right to expect everything for Garrett. Edge rushers typically age very well and are still effective after 30. I still don't think Myles gets traded but if he does I think it's gonna be Khalil Mack level trade if not a little more.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I mean we had fans thinking we would get high picks and a player for Aiyuk same with Deebo. Fans typically overvalue their own guys. Browns fans however have a right to expect everything for Garrett. Edge rushers typically age very well and are still effective after 30. I still don't think Myles gets traded but if he does I think it's gonna be Khalil Mack level trade if not a little more.

Lol for sure it's always one fan base saying I'll give you a 3rd and the other side saying I want 3 1sts lol.

Yeah I tossed out the Mack trade as something logical. Mack was also like 25 when he got moved. Myles will be 30 end of the season next yr.

I don't think he gets moved…but the browns have to take a look in the mirror and realize that they f**ked up and they need to tear it all down.