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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So where would you rank our roster today, objectively?

Buffalo Bills
Los Angeles Rams
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Los Angeles Chargers
Las Vegas Raiders
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
overall team ?

I think only the Bills are above us.

Bills & 49er are the only teams that has stayed nearly the same but added more quality players

all the other teams are question marks and haven't proven what they will be like with the players lost or gained

Bills lol. They have zero super bowl championships. They cannot run the football they don't even attempt to do so.

What does that have to do with their current roster?

Lol didn't you know our current roster has totally won a super bowl.

Yup it's called the heart of a champion and looks like this. The Bills only chance of getting a ring is if JL punches a Bills mafia in the forehead while wearing this

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So where would you rank our roster today, objectively?

Buffalo Bills
Los Angeles Rams
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Los Angeles Chargers
Las Vegas Raiders
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
overall team ?

I think only the Bills are above us.

Bills & 49er are the only teams that has stayed nearly the same but added more quality players

all the other teams are question marks and haven't proven what they will be like with the players lost or gained

That's a tough one. I think we're short a few top end playmakers but depthwise, we're #1, no doubt.

Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
Los Angeles Chargers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Los Angeles Rams
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
Las Vegas Raiders
Indianapolis Colts

This doesn't mean the Bills will win the Superbowl.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So where would you rank our roster today, objectively?

Buffalo Bills
Los Angeles Rams
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Los Angeles Chargers
Las Vegas Raiders
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
overall team ?

I think only the Bills are above us.

Bills & 49er are the only teams that has stayed nearly the same but added more quality players

all the other teams are question marks and haven't proven what they will be like with the players lost or gained

That's a tough one. I think we're short a few top end playmakers but depthwise, we're #1, no doubt.

Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
Los Angeles Chargers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Los Angeles Rams
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
Las Vegas Raiders
Indianapolis Colts

This doesn't mean the Bills will win the Superbowl.

I'd put the chiefs above us too, but only because they have Mahomes at QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see a, Chiefs/Rams super bowl
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I was reading Lynch's comments regarding Jimmy and I hope he's just trying to drum up trade interest. I really don't want to see him on the Niners for another year. We've been down that road and we know we need an upgrade. Holding back Trey for another year is just going to delay the upgrade. Even if they start Trey, you don't want him looking over his shoulder all season. He needs to worry about defenses not Jimmy.

So, it was okay for Jimmy to be in that position last year but Lance shouldn't have to do it because, what, he's too emotionally fragile? I will gladly admit that the situation with Jimmy probably isn't what anyone expected going into the new season. If they are serious about not releasing him in the event they're unable to swing a trade somewhere then the only way this would work going forward is to have a truly open competition for the job through training camp and pre-season and let the best man win. The team would have to know that each guy was given a fair shot and that the decision was made to go with the guy who gave them the best chance to win not because of his draft status or veteran presence and relationship with the players but because he was judged by all of them to be the best guy for the job. Any other option might open the door to issues down the road. It feels like the team has kind of turned the page on Jimmy so I'm not sure they will want to go back down that road but if he's on the roster come training camp and is able to throw it seems to me they will have to let him compete. He has probably earned too much goodwill in the locker room to just be relegated to an afterthought. Time will tell I guess.

No, I don't want them taking away reps from Lance, which he sorely needs, to hold a competition with Jimmy. They already know everything that Jimmy is capable of, so there is no reason to do that.

If they want to let Jimmy throw once he's healthy, then it makes sense to have him work exclusively with the 2nd group.

So Lance shouldn't have to compete for a job that he's claiming is his. You want to give him the job but you don't want him to earn it. Got it..

No, Lance shouldn't have to compete in an open competition for the job. How many QBs around the league compete in an open competition each year? Lance and Jimmy didn't compete in an open competition last year and it made more sense then to hold one than it does now. Again, they already know what Jimmy is capable of at this point, so what would even be the point in giving those snaps to him?

That doesn't mean Lance can just show up and expect to be handed the job. He's still got to compete to earn the faith of the coaches. I mean, Aiyuk was penciled in as a starter last year, but when he didn't give the effort the coaches expected, his role diminished. Which is to say, players always have to compete and prove they deserve their spot, but that's not the same thing as an open competition.

Competition is competition. To try and pretend there is some difference between an open competition and any other kind is just BS semantics. Obviously a veteran like Kittle or Trent Williams is always going to have an edge. I mean you would really have to beat them out to take their place because they've obviously earned it. Lance hasn't earned anything yet beyond his draft status. He still has a lot to prove on a team that got as far as the NFC Championship game. It's like the situation in Seattle when they drafted Wilson. They had just spent a boatload of money on that guy Flynn from Green Bay who went into camp as the presumptive starter. By the end of training camp Wilson had clearly shown he was the better player and got the nod. Why shouldn't Lance be held to the same standard? Like I said you want to give him the job, you don't want him to earn it. That being said I doubt it will even come to that. I suspect that the team will find a way to move Jimmy before his contract comes due. Still it remains a possibility and if Jimmy is in camp he should be allowed to compete.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So where would you rank our roster today, objectively?

Buffalo Bills
Los Angeles Rams
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Los Angeles Chargers
Las Vegas Raiders
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
overall team ?

I think only the Bills are above us.

Bills & 49er are the only teams that has stayed nearly the same but added more quality players

all the other teams are question marks and haven't proven what they will be like with the players lost or gained

That's a tough one. I think we're short a few top end playmakers but depthwise, we're #1, no doubt.

Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
Los Angeles Chargers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Los Angeles Rams
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
Las Vegas Raiders
Indianapolis Colts

This doesn't mean the Bills will win the Superbowl.

I'd put the chiefs above us too, but only because they have Mahomes at QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see a, Chiefs/Rams super bowl

That's fair. I just thought with the loss of Tyreek, that's a pretty big loss. Then again, if we lose Deebo and Mack, we could fall too.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So where would you rank our roster today, objectively?

Buffalo Bills
Los Angeles Rams
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Los Angeles Chargers
Las Vegas Raiders
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
overall team ?

I think only the Bills are above us.

Bills & 49er are the only teams that has stayed nearly the same but added more quality players

all the other teams are question marks and haven't proven what they will be like with the players lost or gained

That's a tough one. I think we're short a few top end playmakers but depthwise, we're #1, no doubt.

Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
Los Angeles Chargers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Los Angeles Rams
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
Las Vegas Raiders
Indianapolis Colts

This doesn't mean the Bills will win the Superbowl.

No way I put Lamar Jackson & the Ravens ahead of us, Lamar is garbage IMO, he's not a good pocket QB. Our roster is top 5, along with KC, LAR, BUF, & TB IMO, LAC right behind us.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'd put the chiefs above us too, but only because they have Mahomes at QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see a, Chiefs/Rams super bowl

I'm already triggered This is ban worthy or a least a 6 game suspension.
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'd put the chiefs above us too, but only because they have Mahomes at QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see a, Chiefs/Rams super bowl

I'm already triggered This is ban worthy or a least a 6 game suspension.

Lol wait... Did I say "Rams"? I meant "9ers". Super bowl repeat.
Originally posted by NCommand:
That's fair. I just thought with the loss of Tyreek, that's a pretty big loss. Then again, if we lose Deebo and Mack, we could fall too.

Yeah I agree, if we lost Deebo our roster ranking goes down, same with the power rankings, but Deebo isn't going anywhere, Mack might retire, but I don't think that would drop us much.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'd put the chiefs above us too, but only because they have Mahomes at QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see a, Chiefs/Rams super bowl

I think people are really overrating the Rams. They lost their best pass rusher and never replaced him. They lost a couple of their Olinemen. As of now they lost OBJ, They got Robinson but lost Woods. They lost out on both Gilmore and Honeybadger. Now they did get Wagner but how much does he have left? And he is not good in coverage.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So where would you rank our roster today, objectively?

Buffalo Bills
Los Angeles Rams
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Los Angeles Chargers
Las Vegas Raiders
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
overall team ?

I think only the Bills are above us.

Bills & 49er are the only teams that has stayed nearly the same but added more quality players

all the other teams are question marks and haven't proven what they will be like with the players lost or gained

Bills lol. They have zero super bowl championships. They cannot run the football they don't even attempt to do so.

What does that have to do with their current roster?

Lol didn't you know our current roster has totally won a super bowl.

It's easier to name the worse teams

Colts cowboys Raiders

That's it

Wait, so we have the 4th worst roster? So the Jags roster is on par with us?
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
I'd put the chiefs above us too, but only because they have Mahomes at QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see a, Chiefs/Rams super bowl

I'm already triggered This is ban worthy or a least a 6 game suspension.

Lol wait... Did I say "Rams"? I meant "9ers". Super bowl repeat.

That's better
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So where would you rank our roster today, objectively?

Buffalo Bills
Los Angeles Rams
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Los Angeles Chargers
Las Vegas Raiders
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
overall team ?

I think only the Bills are above us.

Bills & 49er are the only teams that has stayed nearly the same but added more quality players

all the other teams are question marks and haven't proven what they will be like with the players lost or gained

That's a tough one. I think we're short a few top end playmakers but depthwise, we're #1, no doubt.

Buffalo Bills
Baltimore Ravens
Los Angeles Chargers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Los Angeles Rams
Cincinnati Bengals
San Francisco 49ers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
Las Vegas Raiders
Indianapolis Colts

This doesn't mean the Bills will win the Superbowl.

I'd put the chiefs above us too, but only because they have Mahomes at QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see a, Chiefs/Rams super bowl

That's fair. I just thought with the loss of Tyreek, that's a pretty big loss. Then again, if we lose Deebo and Mack, we could fall too.
Thats the point i was making.with the major changes to other teams.. we don't know if if they can overcome the loss or will gain any advantage with multiple additions
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I was reading Lynch's comments regarding Jimmy and I hope he's just trying to drum up trade interest. I really don't want to see him on the Niners for another year. We've been down that road and we know we need an upgrade. Holding back Trey for another year is just going to delay the upgrade. Even if they start Trey, you don't want him looking over his shoulder all season. He needs to worry about defenses not Jimmy.

So, it was okay for Jimmy to be in that position last year but Lance shouldn't have to do it because, what, he's too emotionally fragile? I will gladly admit that the situation with Jimmy probably isn't what anyone expected going into the new season. If they are serious about not releasing him in the event they're unable to swing a trade somewhere then the only way this would work going forward is to have a truly open competition for the job through training camp and pre-season and let the best man win. The team would have to know that each guy was given a fair shot and that the decision was made to go with the guy who gave them the best chance to win not because of his draft status or veteran presence and relationship with the players but because he was judged by all of them to be the best guy for the job. Any other option might open the door to issues down the road. It feels like the team has kind of turned the page on Jimmy so I'm not sure they will want to go back down that road but if he's on the roster come training camp and is able to throw it seems to me they will have to let him compete. He has probably earned too much goodwill in the locker room to just be relegated to an afterthought. Time will tell I guess.

No, I don't want them taking away reps from Lance, which he sorely needs, to hold a competition with Jimmy. They already know everything that Jimmy is capable of, so there is no reason to do that.

If they want to let Jimmy throw once he's healthy, then it makes sense to have him work exclusively with the 2nd group.

So Lance shouldn't have to compete for a job that he's claiming is his. You want to give him the job but you don't want him to have to earn it. If he's everything people are claiming he should welcome the competition and be confident he'll come out on top. Not saying it's an ideal scenario just saying that Jimmy has earned the right to compete for the job IF he is still on the roster come training camp and is able to throw.

Losing said competition will drop any trade value Jimmy has left. No way they put him in that situation. Teams would begin to question whether or not he has fully recovered from his surgery, and no team would touch him in a trade.

How so? According to many people in here Jimmy is a bum and has no trade value anyway so what would be the disgrace in losing out to a more talented player, isn't that why they drafted Lance in the first place because he was more talented and represented an upgrade at the position? As to teams possibly questioning whether or not he lost the competition because his arm wasn't fully healed that would suggest that under normal circumstances, i.e. a healthy Jimmy, that they would have expected Jimmy to beat Lance out if it weren't for his injury, which brings us back to the first point. What would be the disgrace to losing out an open competition to a player who was specifically drafted to replace you. It seems to me that the real concern here isn't that Jimmy would look bad but that Lance would look bad if he ended up losing the competition. As I said in another post, you guys are all for giving Lance the job, but you don't want him to have to earn it.
I wonder how much of this philosophy has carried over to Kyle and Lynch.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1700461-how-does-mike-shanahan-always-churn-out-rb-success
How do you get a bunch of overgrown children to put their egos to bed and listen to you? That's the challenge NFL coaches have been dealing with while trying to hold the attention of 20-something-year-old millionaires for decades, and doing so is even more difficult when you're trying to get them to grip a zone-blocking scheme, which requires a tremendous amount of focus, hard work and discipline to master.

Is it easier to make a sixth-round pick listen to you? Absolutely, and that's a big reason all of the elements of the Shanahan/Gibbs system have come together successfully. Not only do they not need superstars, but they really don't even want them.



It isn't easy to teach eight or nine guys to work in unison, period. Shanahan has found a way. Gibbs, too, but as Brown pointed out he's been forced to jump around the league a bit.

While the draft sometimes feels like a crapshoot, especially in the later rounds, Shanahan hasn't simply gotten lucky over and over again. He's handpicking linemen and backs who suit his scheme, he's hiring them, he's grooming them and he's producing ground success at a rate that doesn't seem possible in this ultra-competitive league.
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