John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by mojave45:

Well, there are those that do not let the reality of our situation influence the thinking that works on Madden. We are going to have to pay for whoever we want. This team has been dysfunctional at best for several years. We don't even have a QB signed yet. While we may have made improvements at HC, and GM, it isn't a proven recipe for success yet. While I don't think we overpaid, I don't think we got a deal either. When we get to where we are a premier destination, that is when free agents will consider more than just dollars. I think in this case we had a guy put his faith in the direction we are going, but also got his money. Good deal for both sides. But we will probably have to outbid others for the majority of any FA signings that have multiple offers.

Yeah, we certainly didn't overpay for THIS contact but I agree with your overall premise...for outside starters, no doubt we'll have to pay more.

But the one advantage we have is that we can offer more than anyone on upfront money (guaranteed, signing bonus, first year, etc.).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

You have to overpay these days especially when you have a bottom barrel roster. Kerley isn't great but he is solid and he'll hold the slot until we develop or sign a better player.

#freesus

You think we overpaid on this one?

YWR Jeremy Kerley - Stevie Johnson 3 years $10.5M ($3.5M) --- CONFIRMED

That was 2015. This is a very fair deal.

I'm saying whether or not we overpaid doesn't matter since we have the cap space, crappy WR core and he played hard for us last year on a bad team. I don't think it was a bad signing really. Like what lynch is doing thus far. But we'll see if he can make a big splash via draft and FA, the real tests.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

I'm saying whether or not we overpaid doesn't matter since we have the cap space, crappy WR core and he played hard for us last year on a bad team. I don't think it was a bad signing really. Like what lynch is doing thus far. But we'll see if he can make a big splash via draft and FA, the real tests.

Oh, for sure. I hear that. I'm "staying awake" this free agency.

It's a good contract for a good player but he wasn't going anywhere else. When you were cut twice in 1 year and a team offers you security you jump at it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

I'm saying whether or not we overpaid doesn't matter since we have the cap space, crappy WR core and he played hard for us last year on a bad team. I don't think it was a bad signing really. Like what lynch is doing thus far. But we'll see if he can make a big splash via draft and FA, the real tests.

Oh, for sure. I hear that. I'm "staying awake" this free agency.

Been staying awake getting to know the draft class by watching the combine. I'll tell you what, I'm feeling a lot better about getting our SAM and someone to push R2 as the WILL starter through the draft. Just depends on your board.

How would y'all feel about trading down for Takkarist? I think he's one of the most explosive DEs in the draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
You have to overpay these days especially when you have a bottom barrel roster. Kerley isn't great but he is solid and he'll hold the slot until we develop or sign a better player.

#freesus

You think we overpaid on this one?

YWR Jeremy Kerley - Stevie Johnson 3 years $10.5M ($3.5M) --- CONFIRMED

That was 2015. This is a very fair deal.

It's not my $ so I don't give two $##&$ if we overpaid. On to the next!

Buy. Buy. Buy, we suck and we will not get any better without adding players.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You know you're a badass GM when you can sign one of the best slot WR's in the game WITHOUT one single QB on the roster.

Somewhat joking. But he could have tested the market...particularly, with teams that not only have a QB on their roster, but good ones.

How many teams cut him? Enough said. We overpaid.

eh, I disagree. He put up some pretty good numbers while playing with two QBs that will not be starting in the NFL this coming season. Much of the time, he was recognized as the only decent threat the team had. This is a minimal contract for a starting slot receiver, even if it is a bottom 1/3 offense.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
You have to overpay these days especially when you have a bottom barrel roster. Kerley isn't great but he is solid and he'll hold the slot until we develop or sign a better player.

#freesus

You think we overpaid on this one?

YWR Jeremy Kerley - Stevie Johnson 3 years $10.5M ($3.5M) --- CONFIRMED

That was 2015. This is a very fair deal.

Well, there are those that do not let the reality of our situation influence the thinking that works on Madden. We are going to have to pay for whoever we want. This team has been dysfunctional at best for several years. We don't even have a QB signed yet. While we may have made improvements at HC, and GM, it isn't a proven recipe for success yet. While I don't think we overpaid, I don't think we got a deal either. When we get to where we are a premier destination, that is when free agents will consider more than just dollars. I think in this case we had a guy put his faith in the direction we are going, but also got his money. Good deal for both sides. But we will probably have to outbid others for the majority of any FA signings that have multiple offers.

If the team didn't overpay nor did it get a deal, that makes it a fair price for both sides.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mojave45:
Well, there are those that do not let the reality of our situation influence the thinking that works on Madden. We are going to have to pay for whoever we want. This team has been dysfunctional at best for several years. We don't even have a QB signed yet. While we may have made improvements at HC, and GM, it isn't a proven recipe for success yet. While I don't think we overpaid, I don't think we got a deal either. When we get to where we are a premier destination, that is when free agents will consider more than just dollars. I think in this case we had a guy put his faith in the direction we are going, but also got his money. Good deal for both sides. But we will probably have to outbid others for the majority of any FA signings that have multiple offers.

Yeah, we certainly didn't overpay for THIS contact but I agree with your overall premise...for outside starters, no doubt we'll have to pay more.

But the one advantage we have is that we can offer more than anyone on upfront money (guaranteed, signing bonus, first year, etc.).

It is like the snowball rolling downhill. It rolls easier and faster as it goes.

In this case, much will depend on who Lynch can bring on as QB. If he can bring in Cousins, the price for Marshall or Jeffrey will go down a bit. If it is Garappolo, the price will stay pretty solid. If it is Hoyer or Schaub, or a rookie, the price will be the very top of the market if there is any interest at all.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mojave45:
Well, there are those that do not let the reality of our situation influence the thinking that works on Madden. We are going to have to pay for whoever we want. This team has been dysfunctional at best for several years. We don't even have a QB signed yet. While we may have made improvements at HC, and GM, it isn't a proven recipe for success yet. While I don't think we overpaid, I don't think we got a deal either. When we get to where we are a premier destination, that is when free agents will consider more than just dollars. I think in this case we had a guy put his faith in the direction we are going, but also got his money. Good deal for both sides. But we will probably have to outbid others for the majority of any FA signings that have multiple offers.

Yeah, we certainly didn't overpay for THIS contact but I agree with your overall premise...for outside starters, no doubt we'll have to pay more.

But the one advantage we have is that we can offer more than anyone on upfront money (guaranteed, signing bonus, first year, etc.).

Not sure I agree. I believe one of the things Baalke did well is to being in players who fit scheme for moderate contracts. Guys like Rogers and Whitner were very solid FA signings. If there are team changing FAs, like Cousins, then fine...pay what you need to. But I'd still be leery of signing big name guys past the mid-age. Young guys who will be contributors for year is a good plan...eating up cap space with a few huge contracts not so much.

Edit: at a point in the near future the niners might be in a position to go after key FAs to get that last key to a championship. Sort of like NE going after Revis short term.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Well, there are those that do not let the reality of our situation influence the thinking that works on Madden. We are going to have to pay for whoever we want. This team has been dysfunctional at best for several years. We don't even have a QB signed yet. While we may have made improvements at HC, and GM, it isn't a proven recipe for success yet. While I don't think we overpaid, I don't think we got a deal either. When we get to where we are a premier destination, that is when free agents will consider more than just dollars. I think in this case we had a guy put his faith in the direction we are going, but also got his money. Good deal for both sides. But we will probably have to outbid others for the majority of any FA signings that have multiple offers.

Yeah, we certainly didn't overpay for THIS contact but I agree with your overall premise...for outside starters, no doubt we'll have to pay more.

But the one advantage we have is that we can offer more than anyone on upfront money (guaranteed, signing bonus, first year, etc.).

Not sure I agree. I believe one of the things Baalke did well is to being in players who fit scheme for moderate contracts. Guys like Rogers and Whitner were very solid FA signings. If there are team changing FAs, like Cousins, then fine...pay what you need to. But I'd still be leery of signing big name guys past the mid-age. Young guys who will be contributors for year is a good plan...eating up cap space with a few huge contracts not so much.

Edit: at a point in the near future the niners might be in a position to go after key FAs to get that last key to a championship. Sort of like NE going after Revis short term.

Oh yes. All the ones I'm targeting are in the 24-27 age range...young enough to grow with our young team, talented enough to add to the pool.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh yes. All the ones I'm targeting are in the 24-27 age range...young enough to grow with our young team, talented enough to add to the pool.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
I'm saying whether or not we overpaid doesn't matter since we have the cap space, crappy WR core and he played hard for us last year on a bad team. I don't think it was a bad signing really. Like what lynch is doing thus far. But we'll see if he can make a big splash via draft and FA, the real tests.

Oh, for sure. I hear that. I'm "staying awake" this free agency.

Yup Baalke was like the poster child for abstinence in free agency. Lets hope Lynch is a raging slut.

Loving Lynch. Going to be judge by free agency and the draft of course.

You know you're on the webzone when people b***h about the GM not spending any money and those same people b***h about the GM spending money.