John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by thl408:
This Peters guy hasn't done much from what I'm reading. 2016 was his first season as Director of college scouting and we have not seen the results of his work since it's this upcoming 2017 draft where the results will be seen. Before that he was an area scout. Which area?

Apparently he was Elway's top scout and a lot of good NFL minds love the hire


"Peters just completed his first season as the Broncos' director of college scouting and he has previous experience as a regional scout, national scout, and assistant director of college scouting. Before joining Denver, Peters served as a scout for the Patriots. Peters comes with a strong track record as well as personnel experience"

"Peters is respected in the business, and it's a good sign that Lynch is layering in people with the experience on the job that he lacks. There have been rumblings that former Buccaneers G.M. Mark Dominik could also be on the way, which should add more depth to their bench as they try to rebuild."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/31/49ers-hire-broncos-scouting-director-adam-peters/

IMHO it's hard to evaluate FO guys because we don't know how much say they had in things and what exactly was their doings and what wasn't....the fact that he is well respected by football minds around the league is good for me

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Apparently he was Elway's top scout and a lot of good NFL minds love the hire

Adam Peters learned under the hoodie for 6 years in New England. Then under Elway. Has multiple super bowl rings. Big time hire

— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) January 31, 2017

"Peters just completed his first season as the Broncos' director of college scouting and he has previous experience as a regional scout, national scout, and assistant director of college scouting. Before joining Denver, Peters served as a scout for the Patriots. Peters comes with a strong track record as well as personnel experience"

"Peters is respected in the business, and it's a good sign that Lynch is layering in people with the experience on the job that he lacks. There have been rumblings that former Buccaneers G.M. Mark Dominik could also be on the way, which should add more depth to their bench as they try to rebuild."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/31/49ers-hire-broncos-scouting-director-adam-peters/

IMHO it's hard to evaluate FO guys because we don't know how much say they had in things and what exactly was their doings and what wasn't....the fact that he is well respected by football minds around the league is good for me

Yup, proof Elway and Lynch are really close otherwise he would never let him go. I think its safe to assume come May this guy takes Gambles role and is Lynch right hand ?

DEN's past 4 drafts seem ehhh. 2012 was a good year. Just looking at the AV rating because I'm not very familiar with their roster past their stars. Maybe someone with better knowledge of that roster can correct me.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/draft.htm

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
This Peters guy hasn't done much from what I'm reading. 2016 was his first season as Director of college scouting and we have not seen the results of his work since it's this upcoming 2017 draft where the results will be seen. Before that he was an area scout. Which area?

Apparently he was Elway's top scout and a lot of good NFL minds love the hire

Adam Peters learned under the hoodie for 6 years in New England. Then under Elway. Has multiple super bowl rings. Big time hire

— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) January 31, 2017

"Peters just completed his first season as the Broncos' director of college scouting and he has previous experience as a regional scout, national scout, and assistant director of college scouting. Before joining Denver, Peters served as a scout for the Patriots. Peters comes with a strong track record as well as personnel experience"

"Peters is respected in the business, and it's a good sign that Lynch is layering in people with the experience on the job that he lacks. There have been rumblings that former Buccaneers G.M. Mark Dominik could also be on the way, which should add more depth to their bench as they try to rebuild."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/31/49ers-hire-broncos-scouting-director-adam-peters/

IMHO it's hard to evaluate FO guys because we don't know how much say they had in things and what exactly was their doings and what wasn't....the fact that he is well respected by football minds around the league is good for me

Lynch has met all these guys who are under the GMs. He knows who had more of a role and who didn't

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I guess it's all TBD. It's still Jed and Paraag at the top. Period. So we'll see. But from what I gathered from Lynch, he was a straight shooter with both men. I hope, somewhere in these conversations, they defined each others roles and put it down on paper. I hope there was enough out there for Lynch to raise that red flag issue with Paraag and his "meddling." It certainly sounds like the "leaks" were addressed. With Lynch, there is hope he can shield/fend off the business side a bit. The 6 year contract also helps b/c no way does Jed want to go through another Baalke/Harbaugh debacle again and have John run back to the media for a job AND pay him a ton left on his contract.

In short...there's hope.

Lynch kinda alluded already to some of this. He basically said that he respects Paraag's knowledge in contract handling and will lean on him for that but he reports to Jed York.

Well that dynamic is no different from the past. It's the boundaries with Paraag that was the issue with Harbaugh and many others (Paraag in on way too many football stuff)...those lines need to be very much clarified to avoid head-butting going forward. Paraag can't be Jed's mole.

Originally posted by thl408:
DEN's past 4 drafts seem ehhh. 2012 was a good year. Just looking at the AV rating because I'm not very familiar with their roster past their stars. Maybe someone with better knowledge of that roster can correct me.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/draft.htm

Damn I liked the hire but you're turning me.

Hopefully one of these noobs knows how to run a team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

IMHO it's hard to evaluate FO guys because we don't know how much say they had in things and what exactly was their doings and what wasn't....the fact that he is well respected by football minds around the league is good for me

It is hard...that said, whether you're a scout, area scouting or VP of player personnel, your job is to ID talent. Period. So really, no matter who the trigger guy picks on the draft board, it should be a good player that fits and works out. In short, the end results are still a pretty decent indicator as it's still a team approach to build up the pool of picks.

Originally posted by Jcool:
PERSONNEL/COACHING EXPERIENCE

Denver Broncos
Director of College Scouting 2016
Assistant Director of College Scouting 2014-15
National Scout 2011-13
Western Regional Scout 2009-10

New England Patriots
Area Scout 2006-08
Pro Scout 2005
Scouting Assistant 2003-04

Thanks for the breakdown. I'm looking at players taken from the western region in the 2010 and 2011 draft since he was a scout in '09 and '10 and I only see Rahim Moore as a player taken with high draft capital. I know this isn't an accurate way to gauge but oh well. He was a national scout for the '11 and '12 drafts and those were good drafts. Anyway, like someone said, who knows which picks he was responsible for and which he was not. Also, we don't know if he prevented DEN from picking a bad player, which is equally as important.

Originally posted by thl408:
I liked when Lynch said he wants players that love to play football and if they don't then he'll get people that do. A focus on the commitment to the game at a high level seems to have been missing the past few seasons after all those vets left (Willis, Justin, Gore). This is a young roster and a relaxed attitude is poison to their development. Time to get guys that eat/sleep football. Questioning talent is fine. Questioning heart is a big problem that can become part of the a team's fabric.

this

The question of focus has been central, this past year in particular. Lynch is sending a message to everyone that is on the team or aspiring to be here. Nothing is "bigger than football" for John Lynch.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Let's just call John Lynch what he really is here...President of Football Operations.

That's his role...he'll hire several specialist staff (pro+player personnel) to manage coaching, scouting, the draft and free agency and everyone will report up to him. And he'll have a dotted line relationship with Paraag for contracts and the large analytics department he runs (that could get interesting BTW) and both will report up to Jed.

He'll be the trigger man on draft day, control the 90 and work with Kyle on the 53 (of which, Kyle will be the trigger man).

he'll be tasked for managing all the staff, personalities, connections within the NFL and reshaping our image and building back a Championship culture.

But, big quesiton, NCommand...will peeg have the power to put the kibash on a FA if the salary offered doesn't fit into peeg's formulas? Or or more simply, can Lynch just go and hire whoever he (and kyle) want and peeg has no say as to how much was offered?

This is where I still foresee some sticky dynamics (title discussions as well). At the end of the day, Paraag can still "meddle" in whatever the hell he wants and via Jed, will control free agency spendings and coaching hires/costs. If there is going to be any issue within this front office now, it's going to be John/Adam/Tom/Kyle vs. Paraag (via Jed orders or by his own doings); so, football guys vs. business guys.

That's why I keep going back to free agency. It's obvious John wants to be "aggressive" in everything he does. And if we're constantly linked to every free agent (like always) and come out #2 (like always), the football guys are going to be butting heads with the moneyball/analytic/business guys (Jed/Paraag/Brian).

The next moves are on Jed in fully reshaping this FO as it should, IMHO.

If he removes the President of FO title from Paraag, delegates him (in real life) to contracts and managing the analytics department, setting boundaries, and changes John's title to what it really is and backs off, this could work optimally. Every level then would have a specialist with heads of departments in each who both have dotted line working relationships and both reporting up to Jed for a monthly sleep over.

But...will that REALLY happen? If so, everyone on this website should throw a party. If not, it has the potential to become toxic again and we'll see a repeat cycle.

That would put Brian Hampton out of a job and he has been involved int he hiring process so I don't see that happening.

Originally posted by thl408:
DEN's past 4 drafts seem ehhh. 2012 was a good year. Just looking at the AV rating because I'm not very familiar with their roster past their stars. Maybe someone with better knowledge of that roster can correct me.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/draft.htm

A Broncos fan did a breakdown of their drafts and they've done a fantastic job drafting pass rusher's and DE's, a pretty terrible job drafting OL.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Trotter asks "why not hire the person doing the training".

Because Lynch is capable of learning different jobs from different people, and becoming well versed in ALL aspects of being a GM. Something most people can only do in one area of expertise. Peters might be the scouting expert, but he might not have the communication skills.

No way this can go wrong!

different people man...

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:
DEN's past 4 drafts seem ehhh. 2012 was a good year. Just looking at the AV rating because I'm not very familiar with their roster past their stars. Maybe someone with better knowledge of that roster can correct me.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/draft.htm

Damn I liked the hire but you're turning me.

Hopefully one of these noobs knows how to run a team.

Hah! I'm not trying to turn anyone or say it's a bad hire. Just trying to find info about him because I hadn't heard of him until last night.

Originally posted by thl408:
DEN's past 4 drafts seem ehhh. 2012 was a good year. Just looking at the AV rating because I'm not very familiar with their roster past their stars. Maybe someone with better knowledge of that roster can correct me.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/draft.htm

Nothing special during that time, but 2012 was really good. Wolfe, Jackson, Trevathan in one draft is nice work. The rest of the drafts have some solid contributors sprinkled in here and there.

I think ultimately thats what you're looking for. Its darn near impossible to ace the draft year after year. Seattle had amazing drafts from 2010-2012, after that they've been sub-par. The hope is we have a few good drafts to form our core, especially now that we're picking high in the draft, and then build on it the best we can. Also, our margin of error is much higher if we find the right QB to build around.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Let's just call John Lynch what he really is here...President of Football Operations.

That's his role...he'll hire several specialist staff (pro+player personnel) to manage coaching, scouting, the draft and free agency and everyone will report up to him. And he'll have a dotted line relationship with Paraag for contracts and the large analytics department he runs (that could get interesting BTW) and both will report up to Jed.

He'll be the trigger man on draft day, control the 90 and work with Kyle on the 53 (of which, Kyle will be the trigger man).

he'll be tasked for managing all the staff, personalities, connections within the NFL and reshaping our image and building back a Championship culture.

Do you think he is Paraag's boss in Football Ops?

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Good post NC. Similar to Elway in Denver. President of Football Ops + GM title. I like the structure so far.

I also like that Kyle will have final say on the 53. Of course they'll work together on figuring out the 53, but the HC having final authority makes sense to me. He's the one down on the field coaching these guys up and conducting the meetings with them. He has more intimate knowledge of the players capabilities once they are in the building and practicing.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

All of this. And I'm getting more and more comfortable with the idea. It was a shock and an eye roll initially, but it's looking better all the time.

Woo, absolutely that title should be removed from Paraag (as of last year, really, with that realignment per Jed York) and given to John as that is what he REALLY is (and certainly not what Paraag is). With this role, I have absolutely no issues with it as long as he continues to do the aforementioned (building up a specialized staff, connections, managing all, reshaping the image, etc.). In fact, that's what we ALL wanted initially. I'm perfectly fine with this model.

Now, will Jed reshape titles and help define clear roles and responsibilities?

I don't see it, Shanahan and Lynch represent Paraag and Jed's vision. I just hope he is a hands off boss of football ops.