John Lynch - 49ers GM

This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am more mad about Lynch and Shanahan choosing Beathard over Mahomes.

There was a significant difference in draft position. It wasnt just one or the other.

Shanahan said he got the one QB in the draft who he wanted. Mahomes would have been a great pick at #3 instead of Thomas.

With hindsight, yes. Had you proposed it at the time you would have been strung up from the nearest lamp post. Hindsight is wonderful. Mahomes wasnt that highly regarded at the time.

Originally posted by Wewillwin:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Definitely got fleeced in the Trent Brown trade.

I like McGlinchey but there was no need to move T Brown before this season and for so little.

If you don't move him when we had an offer for him then you hold out hope a team is desperate for OT help before the deadline and willing to pay more for him. No guarantees and if you fail to move him then he walks.

Still got fleeced.

Or it speaks to how opposing teams value the player. Average run blocker at best + poor work ethic = not a ton of trade value.

Sure they had him as an elite starting left tackle good at pass blocking and good enough run blocker. We had him as an average run blocker with poor work ethic.

They paid for the averge right tackle average run blocker with poor work ethic (which that organization seemingly fixed) and got an elite left tackle.

We got a 5th round pick in exchange for an elite tackle. They got the better deal by a mile.

It happens. We got them good on the jimmy deal.

We got a 3rd, and gave them our 5th with Brown, in the same draft, on the 2nd day of the draft (abnormal).

Nov. 5, 2017. (Nhat V. Meyer/Bay Area News Group) The 49ers, according to ESPN, acquired a third-round draft pick from the Patriots (No. 95 overall) in exchange for Brown and a fifth-round pick (No. 143, which the 49ers acquired in last season's trade with the New York Jets for cornerback Rashard Robinson).

Brown is nowhere close to an elite T. If he were he'd be a 49er. He's always been extremely overrated on this board, and that has only magnified since he was traded. The fact is, right now in NE with the best QB of all time, he's a mediocre T.

I dont know what games you guys were watching but the guy was an elite pass blocker and he's showed up consistently. He legit just shut down Khalil Mack last weekend - DPOY bad ass, averaging a sack a game Khalil Mack... He was not a good run blocker however and definitely wasn't fit for the zone scheme Kyle ran. I understand the trade, just think we should've got much mroe for him.

This + his contract this year makes him worth much more than what we got from him. For those talking his PFF grade - he was graded as a top 10 LT in 2017 even though he was in a zone scheme that didn't fit him. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018

Once again, due to the scarcity of OT's - he was worth much more than a 3rd. Not to mention that we traded a 5th. Just look at Okung's paycheck or even Nate Solder's - two much older players, both over 30, both coming off of worse seasons, getting paydays like that. Shoot, the Seahawks traded a 2nd, a 5th and Jeremy Lane for a 32 year old Duane Brown on a 10mil contract after he sat out the first 6 games of the season.

Based on the market, if we were patient, I think we would have and should have received much more for Trent Brown. And I don't even think you can make much of an argument that that isn't true.

Mac is injured. Brian Baldinger did one of his twitter pieces ripping the Bears and showing how ineffective Mac was due to his ankle which is hurting him badly. Stonewalling a 50-60% Mac is not that impressive. Know the context of what you are watching if you are going to use it to bolster your argument. Brown is a good pass blocking T. He is a below average run blocking T. That's not to say he can't majke a play in the run game now and then, just that he is wildly inconsistent. Those are the facts. Those kinds of T's, and especially in light of the steal I still think we got in JG, get the compensation we did.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

yet he's almost completely fixed the O-Line, despite your belief in him. His lack of experience isn't a huge deal when he surrounds himself with guys like Peters and Mayhew.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am more mad about Lynch and Shanahan choosing Beathard over Mahomes.

There was a significant difference in draft position. It wasnt just one or the other.

Shanahan said he got the one QB in the draft who he wanted. Mahomes would have been a great pick at #3 instead of Thomas.

With hindsight, yes. Had you proposed it at the time you would have been strung up from the nearest lamp post. Hindsight is wonderful. Mahomes wasnt that highly regarded at the time.

I would argue that quite a few scouts drooled over mahomes raw tools.

Diff is Andy Reid knew what kind of offense to put him in. Both are right in their own way but boy does having a top 10 rushing attack in a passing league sound real exciting.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

yet he's almost completely fixed the O-Line, despite your belief in him. His lack of experience isn't a huge deal when he surrounds himself with guys like Peters and Mayhew.

Well not to mention that while the GM takes overall credit and blame, they rarely are overall instrumental in doing the actual scouting. That's what the scouts, Peters and others are for. It is a group effort. Remove only Lynch from the equation and not a whole lot would change imo.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I am more mad about Lynch and Shanahan choosing Beathard over Mahomes.

There was a significant difference in draft position. It wasnt just one or the other.

Shanahan said he got the one QB in the draft who he wanted. Mahomes would have been a great pick at #3 instead of Thomas.

With hindsight, yes. Had you proposed it at the time you would have been strung up from the nearest lamp post. Hindsight is wonderful. Mahomes wasnt that highly regarded at the time.

I would argue that quite a few scouts drooled over mahomes raw tools.

Diff is Andy Reid knew what kind of offense to put him in. Both are right in their own way but boy does having a top 10 rushing attack in a passing league sound real exciting.

he also has his #1 RB healthy and a #1 WR. Both things we don't have yet.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

yet he's almost completely fixed the O-Line, despite your belief in him. His lack of experience isn't a huge deal when he surrounds himself with guys like Peters and Mayhew.

So much this. Too many people act like Lynch is up there on his power cloud making every decision on his own and running everything on his own without advice or input from others.

This simply isn't true. I get that as GM he's going to get hit with the brunt of the criticism, but when I see people claim things like Lynch only selected Thomas because they took a class together I just shake my head and wonder where this world is headed.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

He's Kyle Shanahan chosen GM since he was the one who called John Lynch. Kyle is a losing head coach but he has as much power over this roster as any head coach in the NFL. I just can't see both Mayhew and Peters agreeing to some of these roster moves. I also can't see Lynch being the type of guy who wouldn't listen to more experienced NFL people suggested reasoning, even if he's their boss. Clearly there's an overwhelming voice in the house and he's Kyle Shanahan. He gets 100% of the blame for bad roster decisions.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

They should have drafted Penny

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

yet he's almost completely fixed the O-Line, despite your belief in him. His lack of experience isn't a huge deal when he surrounds himself with guys like Peters and Mayhew.

Mcglinchey looks like a nice pick so far and I think he will work out. He looks real good up to this point. But one guy doesn't fix our O Line. The Center we got in FA helps too. Our O Line has improved. We have other areas where we have failed like edge pass rusher and QB who is made of glass and we passed on Mahomes and have no backup. We are probably headed for 1 - 15. So I don't think you can claim this is a very good overall roster.

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

He's Kyle Shanahan chosen GM since he was the one who called John Lynch. Kyle is a losing head coach but he has as much power over this roster as any head coach in the NFL. I just can't see both Mayhew and Peters agreeing to some of these roster moves. I also can't see Lynch being the type of guy who wouldn't listen to more experienced NFL people suggested reasoning, even if he's their boss. Clearly there's an overwhelming voice in the house and he's Kyle Shanahan. He gets 100% of the blame for bad roster decisions.

The GM is responsible for the roster. The Coach is responsible to Coach.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

They should have drafted Penny

I wanted one of the two safeties, can't remember which one. The Ball Hawking good cover guy. I was opposed to the Solly pick on the general principle of picking three D linemen #1 in a row.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

This hire never made any sense at all. He was never a scout, a player personnel director, never a GM before. What business does he have evaluating and picking players? He was a disaster on Solomon Thomas the #3 overall pick. To make it worse we passed on Mahomes. We have not added any pass rush in free agency although we had the chance to do it. He misses on some very early picks and gets busts. I'm very concerned about him as GM. He was inexperienced for this job.

He was a player and a broadcaster. But he had no business being a GM. The ownership made a terrible pick here IMO. He makes even less sense to me than Kyle Shannahan at head coach. I think you could actually make an argument for KS. But I don't see how you can for John Lynch. He doesn't belong in this position and the results show. We should hire a competent GM with experience and a proven track record. You know somebody that is actually qualified for the job and belongs in the job.

They should have drafted Penny

I wanted one of the two safeties, can't remember which one. The Ball Hawking good cover guy. I was opposed to the Solly pick on the general principle of picking three D linemen #1 in a row.

I know. Just screwing with you SD

John Lynch did good the first year.. please stop hating and whining.. there are other teams that play worse. i mean look at the raiders.. things are going down hill really fast.. have any of you seen the rest of the NFL? the niners are playing hard, we are not getting blown out all the time.. we are competing.. i know we are 4-5 pro bowl players away and I think Lynch is learning a valuable lesson.. I did like McVay but he has better roster in LA.. also when Jim Harbaugh took over we had Gore, Vernon, Pat, Bowman.. so many established players playing on high level.. this team was built over 3-4 years..
who do we have now? ST is playing out of position.. what a difference it would be if they actually bench Mitchell.. we basically have DT's playing at DE
Garcon is in as transitional player to help youngsters with the offense.. we all knew that.. Sherman is playing really well.. we should sign Earl Thomas, a DE, stud WR, and pro bowl level pass rusher then we can compete..