John Lynch - 49ers GM

Ezekiel Ansah has played one game this year. lol

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Definitely got fleeced in the Trent Brown trade.

I like McGlinchey but there was no need to move T Brown before this season and for so little.

If you don't move him when we had an offer for him then you hold out hope a team is desperate for OT help before the deadline and willing to pay more for him. No guarantees and if you fail to move him then he walks.

Still got fleeced.

Or it speaks to how opposing teams value the player. Average run blocker at best + poor work ethic = not a ton of trade value.

Sure they had him as an elite starting left tackle good at pass blocking and good enough run blocker. We had him as an average run blocker with poor work ethic.

They paid for the averge right tackle average run blocker with poor work ethic (which that organization seemingly fixed) and got an elite left tackle.

We got a 5th round pick in exchange for an elite tackle. They got the better deal by a mile.

It happens. We got them good on the jimmy deal.

We got a 3rd, and gave them our 5th with Brown, in the same draft, on the 2nd day of the draft (abnormal).

Nov. 5, 2017. (Nhat V. Meyer/Bay Area News Group) The 49ers, according to ESPN, acquired a third-round draft pick from the Patriots (No. 95 overall) in exchange for Brown and a fifth-round pick (No. 143, which the 49ers acquired in last season's trade with the New York Jets for cornerback Rashard Robinson).

Brown is nowhere close to an elite T. If he were he'd be a 49er. He's always been extremely overrated on this board, and that has only magnified since he was traded. The fact is, right now in NE with the best QB of all time, he's a mediocre T.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't see why they don't try to make a play on vernon, Graham, or Fowler? I get the don't need a "quick fix" on a busted season BUT all of those guys would be in the plans past this yr regardless. Basically an early FA move.

I was just saying that yesterday. Bringing in a young player doesn't mean it's a quick-fix. It's simply adding another brick and one who you could lock up LT if he plays well.

Thank you. Just like when we paid to bring in Justin Smith. Same concept.

Justin Smith was a FA and didn't cost any future draft capital. No comparison in any way shape or form other than a young player from a different team.

Free Agency isn't going to solve our core issues, which is miscommunication on defense and being generally overmatched on offense. No one lets an elite WR or RB hit the market. Unless you're the Steelers. Although is Leveon Bell someone you would actually want, especially after paying 28million for McKinnon?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't see why they don't try to make a play on vernon, Graham, or Fowler? I get the don't need a "quick fix" on a busted season BUT all of those guys would be in the plans past this yr regardless. Basically an early FA move.

I was just saying that yesterday. Bringing in a young player doesn't mean it's a quick-fix. It's simply adding another brick and one who you could lock up LT if he plays well.

Thank you. Just like when we paid to bring in Justin Smith. Same concept.

And further, people are waaaaaaaaay over-valuing draft picks IMHO. And no, Justin Smith isn't different than any other player because we had to commit cap space to him. A team full of expensive failed FA is just as much mortgaging the future as trading draft picks for players that don't pan out. Somehow we've eliminated time in the compensation equation.

Regardless of how you spin it, you're going to have to pay for talent - picks, trade, cap space, time. No way around it. Sure you're going to get great deals but if you're always chasing a deal, you're going to miss out on good purchases that may seem like a significant investment initially but pay huge dividends later. My problem is that if you have only ONE way of approaching the market, ONE way of rebuilding a team, it's going to take a lot longer (time) than those who might be open to more creative ways.

Dead money can be just as detrimental to a team as poor drafts as injuries as poor player development, etc.

This and the funny thing is then when a pick busts they will say well it's just a gamble anyway. Well if it's just a gamble why not gamble ona proven player from time to time. As you point out you need a great balance can't be set in a singular mindset

Originally posted by Marmatag:
Free Agency isn't going to solve our core issues, which is miscommunication on defense and being generally overmatched on offense. No one lets an elite WR or RB hit the market. Unless you're the Steelers. Although is Leveon Bell someone you would actually want, especially after paying 28million for McKinnon?

Le'Veon would be a 9 game rental. He's an UFA after the season. To make it worse, under the franchise tag teams are forbidden from negotiating with him before a trade. IOW, you would have no guarantee he'd stick around unless you tag him again. We see how well that's working for the Steelers.

No thanks on Ansah. Brandon Graham, Dante Fowler and several others who may be available would be money better spent. Ansah is talented but too injury prone to spend big money on...and any pass rusher worth a damn is going to cost big money.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Marmatag:
Free Agency isn't going to solve our core issues, which is miscommunication on defense and being generally overmatched on offense. No one lets an elite WR or RB hit the market. Unless you're the Steelers. Although is Leveon Bell someone you would actually want, especially after paying 28million for McKinnon?

Le'Veon would be a 9 game rental. He's an UFA after the season. To make it worse, under the franchise tag teams are forbidden from negotiating with him before a trade. IOW, you would have no guarantee he'd stick around unless you tag him again. We see how well that's working for the Steelers.

No one is going to trade for him. So, he's going to hit the open market. That is what i am referring to.

Originally posted by Marmatag:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Marmatag:
Free Agency isn't going to solve our core issues, which is miscommunication on defense and being generally overmatched on offense. No one lets an elite WR or RB hit the market. Unless you're the Steelers. Although is Leveon Bell someone you would actually want, especially after paying 28million for McKinnon?

Le'Veon would be a 9 game rental. He's an UFA after the season. To make it worse, under the franchise tag teams are forbidden from negotiating with him before a trade. IOW, you would have no guarantee he'd stick around unless you tag him again. We see how well that's working for the Steelers.

No one is going to trade for him. So, he's going to hit the open market. That is what i am referring to.

I misunderstood you. After he's an UFA, sure, that's an idea.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Marmatag:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Marmatag:
Free Agency isn't going to solve our core issues, which is miscommunication on defense and being generally overmatched on offense. No one lets an elite WR or RB hit the market. Unless you're the Steelers. Although is Leveon Bell someone you would actually want, especially after paying 28million for McKinnon?

Le'Veon would be a 9 game rental. He's an UFA after the season. To make it worse, under the franchise tag teams are forbidden from negotiating with him before a trade. IOW, you would have no guarantee he'd stick around unless you tag him again. We see how well that's working for the Steelers.

No one is going to trade for him. So, he's going to hit the open market. That is what i am referring to.

I misunderstood you. After he's an UFA, sure, that's an idea.

Yep. But that's also kind of the point. What we need is not generally available in FA.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Definitely got fleeced in the Trent Brown trade.

I like McGlinchey but there was no need to move T Brown before this season and for so little.

If you don't move him when we had an offer for him then you hold out hope a team is desperate for OT help before the deadline and willing to pay more for him. No guarantees and if you fail to move him then he walks.

Still got fleeced.

Or it speaks to how opposing teams value the player. Average run blocker at best + poor work ethic = not a ton of trade value.

Sure they had him as an elite starting left tackle good at pass blocking and good enough run blocker. We had him as an average run blocker with poor work ethic.

They paid for the averge right tackle average run blocker with poor work ethic (which that organization seemingly fixed) and got an elite left tackle.

We got a 5th round pick in exchange for an elite tackle. They got the better deal by a mile.

It happens. We got them good on the jimmy deal.

We got a 3rd, and gave them our 5th with Brown, in the same draft, on the 2nd day of the draft (abnormal).

Nov. 5, 2017. (Nhat V. Meyer/Bay Area News Group) The 49ers, according to ESPN, acquired a third-round draft pick from the Patriots (No. 95 overall) in exchange for Brown and a fifth-round pick (No. 143, which the 49ers acquired in last season's trade with the New York Jets for cornerback Rashard Robinson).

Brown is nowhere close to an elite T. If he were he'd be a 49er. He's always been extremely overrated on this board, and that has only magnified since he was traded. The fact is, right now in NE with the best QB of all time, he's a mediocre T.

I dont know what games you guys were watching but the guy was an elite pass blocker and he's showed up consistently. He legit just shut down Khalil Mack last weekend - DPOY bad ass, averaging a sack a game Khalil Mack... He was not a good run blocker however and definitely wasn't fit for the zone scheme Kyle ran. I understand the trade, just think we should've got much mroe for him.

This + his contract this year makes him worth much more than what we got from him. For those talking his PFF grade - he was graded as a top 10 LT in 2017 even though he was in a zone scheme that didn't fit him. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018

Once again, due to the scarcity of OT's - he was worth much more than a 3rd. Not to mention that we traded a 5th. Just look at Okung's paycheck or even Nate Solder's - two much older players, both over 30, both coming off of worse seasons, getting paydays like that. Shoot, the Seahawks traded a 2nd, a 5th and Jeremy Lane for a 32 year old Duane Brown on a 10mil contract after he sat out the first 6 games of the season.

Based on the market, if we were patient, I think we would have and should have received much more for Trent Brown. And I don't even think you can make much of an argument that that isn't true.

I mean, what are you basing that on?

Trent Brown for a 7th rounder seemed low, but 49ers fans generally overvalue our players. There were people thinking we could get a 1st or 2nd rounder for Carlos Hyde last year.

And you can't be patient unless you give Trent Brown another contract. It's clear McGlinchy was the team's plan all along.

Originally posted by Wewillwin:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Definitely got fleeced in the Trent Brown trade.

I like McGlinchey but there was no need to move T Brown before this season and for so little.

If you don't move him when we had an offer for him then you hold out hope a team is desperate for OT help before the deadline and willing to pay more for him. No guarantees and if you fail to move him then he walks.

Still got fleeced.

Or it speaks to how opposing teams value the player. Average run blocker at best + poor work ethic = not a ton of trade value.

Sure they had him as an elite starting left tackle good at pass blocking and good enough run blocker. We had him as an average run blocker with poor work ethic.

They paid for the averge right tackle average run blocker with poor work ethic (which that organization seemingly fixed) and got an elite left tackle.

We got a 5th round pick in exchange for an elite tackle. They got the better deal by a mile.

It happens. We got them good on the jimmy deal.

We got a 3rd, and gave them our 5th with Brown, in the same draft, on the 2nd day of the draft (abnormal).

Nov. 5, 2017. (Nhat V. Meyer/Bay Area News Group) The 49ers, according to ESPN, acquired a third-round draft pick from the Patriots (No. 95 overall) in exchange for Brown and a fifth-round pick (No. 143, which the 49ers acquired in last season's trade with the New York Jets for cornerback Rashard Robinson).

Brown is nowhere close to an elite T. If he were he'd be a 49er. He's always been extremely overrated on this board, and that has only magnified since he was traded. The fact is, right now in NE with the best QB of all time, he's a mediocre T.

I dont know what games you guys were watching but the guy was an elite pass blocker and he's showed up consistently. He legit just shut down Khalil Mack last weekend - DPOY bad ass, averaging a sack a game Khalil Mack... He was not a good run blocker however and definitely wasn't fit for the zone scheme Kyle ran. I understand the trade, just think we should've got much mroe for him.

This + his contract this year makes him worth much more than what we got from him. For those talking his PFF grade - he was graded as a top 10 LT in 2017 even though he was in a zone scheme that didn't fit him. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018

Once again, due to the scarcity of OT's - he was worth much more than a 3rd. Not to mention that we traded a 5th. Just look at Okung's paycheck or even Nate Solder's - two much older players, both over 30, both coming off of worse seasons, getting paydays like that. Shoot, the Seahawks traded a 2nd, a 5th and Jeremy Lane for a 32 year old Duane Brown on a 10mil contract after he sat out the first 6 games of the season.

Based on the market, if we were patient, I think we would have and should have received much more for Trent Brown. And I don't even think you can make much of an argument that that isn't true.

Agree with everything but the bolded. He could've played the last few weeks of the season, but he made a business decision over playing for the team.

Originally posted by Marmatag:
I mean, what are you basing that on?

Trent Brown for a 7th rounder seemed low, but 49ers fans generally overvalue our players. There were people thinking we could get a 1st or 2nd rounder for Carlos Hyde last year.

And you can't be patient unless you give Trent Brown another contract. It's clear McGlinchy was the team's plan all along.

Did you read my post right above? I think I made a pretty reasonable case.

Carlos Hyde for a 1st is and always was laughable. I think I'm a fairly realistic person and have watched a lot of football the past 20+ years. I just see the overvaluation trend of OT's - due to that I think we should've gotten at least a 2nd if not a 1st for T. Brown.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erswagger:
I am embarrassed as a 49ers fan today 39-10 vs the Rams that's why we were taken off Sunday night football we are the laughing stock of NFL this is what full faith in the CJ Beathard plan looks like why we wont sign Kaepernick only God knows we have no pass rush with the exception of Richard Sherman we have no cornerbacks. We lead the NFL in turnovers CJ. Beathard is turnover magnet why wont Kyle let anybody else play. I am completely disgusted with full faith in the CJ Beathard plan. Where is yall pride I had such high hopes for us this season I know we lost Jimmy G for the season but we need a better back up plan period. When Josh Gordon was available we didn't make a move. We lost out on Mack sweepstakes. There are free agents available Colin Kaepernick and Dez Bryant we need some help badly I'm so embarrassed on alumni day wearing 94 superbowl jerseys u get your azz beat like that shameful.

Kap hasn't played in over 2 seasons and I doubt he's in shape. Dez Bryant is not longer a good receiver. Neither of these guys would fix our problems.

I would sign Dez so that we can throw him 2 redzone fades a game. Would be worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvmulzVP27I
this is visual evidence 2 year layoff Kap is still in fantastic shape training everyday waiting for his next chance to play in the league. Dez Bryant has more TD in his career than 49ers entire receiving core proof Dez Bryant Desmond Demond Bryant
Position: WR
6-2, 220lb (188cm, 99kg)
Born: November 4, 1988 (Age: 29-355d) in Lufkin, TX
College: Oklahoma St. (College Stats) Weighted Career AV (100-95-...): 61 (917th overall since 1960)
High School: Lufkin (TX)
Draft: Dallas Cowboys in the 1st round (24th overall) of the 2010 NFL Draft.
Twitter: @DezBryant
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Joe Cool I respectfully agree to disagree that these two men cant help the 49ers who are currently the worst team in the NFL