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What it boils down to is I strongly prefer what McVay is doing. He's not trying to force a scheme and the Rams have several ways of exploiting you. They can out finesse you or Gurley can out pound you for 200 like they did to Denver.

Shanny is trying to build a ballerina and while his play calling is great he's struggling with personnel.

This offseason they have to be aggressive. John Lynch has done an above average job so far at his current status. Has done nice things and not so nice things. They have 6 years for a reason.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

What it boils down to is I strongly prefer what McVay is doing. He's not trying to force a scheme and the Rams have several ways of exploiting you. They can out finesse you or Gurley can out pound you for 200 like they did to Denver.

Shanny is trying to build a ballerina and while his play calling is great he's struggling with personnel.

No one should compare McVay's offense to Shanahan's until Kyle can get legit wrs, a top 3 rb and an oline that gives Goff a min to throw. Yet Kyle still has this offense moving up and down until the players f**k it up.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

No one should compare McVay's offense to Shanahan's until Kyle can get legit wrs, a top 3 rb and an oline that gives Goff a min to throw. Yet Kyle still has this offense moving up and down until the players f**k it up.

Outside of Gurley, Goff that's all McVay. That's his line, his receivers.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by socal1632:
Also, I am not convinced that this offense is right for JG. He is a Belechick offense qb! Bring in a BB offensive mind!! Call me crazy if you want. Hopefully I am dead wrong

Would you fire Shanahan for BB?

Yes...

Originally posted by tjd808185:

His career says he gets dinged up and his production suffers. If that's tough to you fine but 700 yards is just that. Now we're relying on an old man trying to be that tough guy. 700 goes to 500.

His career in Washington says he was pretty reliable as far as playing time.

Again 700 yards or whatever doesn't determine if a guy is tough or soft lol...horrible correlation IMO. again guys like Alshon Jeffery are the poster boys for "soft" yet he's got a couple 1k seasons under his belt.

Garcon's game is without question based around playing hard, making contested catches, and blocking well. Can he do that as well as in the past? No...His whole career he's been the opposite of soft in the way he plays the game.

Stats don't always show everything and you know that.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

What it boils down to is I strongly prefer what McVay is doing. He's not trying to force a scheme and the Rams have several ways of exploiting you. They can out finesse you or Gurley can out pound you for 200 like they did to Denver.

Shanny is trying to build a ballerina and while his play calling is great he's struggling with personnel.

What are you talking about? SF is 6th overall in rushing the ball. He remade the OL to fit the running game and he's been doing it with a UDFA RB and a RB picked up off the street this yr.

Give Kyle Gurley and the weapons McVay has and see what he does.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

His career in Washington says he was pretty reliable as far as playing time.

Again 700 yards or whatever doesn't determine if a guy is tough or soft lol...horrible correlation IMO. again guys like Alshon Jeffery are the poster boys for "soft" yet he's got a couple 1k seasons under his belt.

Garcon's game is without question based around playing hard, making contested catches, and blocking well. Can he do that as well as in the past? No...His whole career he's been the opposite of soft in the way he plays the game.

Stats don't always show everything and you know that.

Your production doesn't matter. Okay that makes sense. If you get consistently banged up to the point where you're ineffective I don't care if you have Rocky's heart. This isn't a movie.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Your production doesn't matter. Okay that makes sense. If you get consistently banged up to the point where you're ineffective I don't care if you have Rocky's heart. This isn't a movie.

This whole discussion was about players being "soft" not about having muiple 1,000 yard seasons.

Hines Ward avg 863 yards per yr and was one of the toughest S.O.B to play WR.

The way garcon approaches the game is far from soft. Again guys like Alshon Jeffery can have a 1k season, yet still be soft as baby s**t.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

What are you talking about? SF is 6th overall in rushing the ball. He remade the OL to fit the running game and he's been doing it with a UDFA RB and a RB picked up off the street this yr.

Give Kyle Gurley and the weapons McVay has and see what he does.

TOP. LA #1, us #14. I'm talking about physical running that chews up the clock. This way our 6th per play d doesn't look like chumps because they're 2nd in plays against.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

TOP. LA #1, us #14. I'm talking about physical running that chews up the clock. This way our 6th per play d doesn't look like chumps because they're 2nd in plays against.

This says we're 6th overall in YPG?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

I mean we ran 92 plays and had the ball for 40 mins last week, I'd say they chewed up the clock, no?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This says we're 6th overall in YPG?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

I mean we ran 92 plays and had the ball for 40 mins last week, I'd say they chewed up the clock, no?

I didn't challenge that we were 6th in rushing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This whole discussion was about players being "soft" not about having muiple 1,000 yard seasons.

Hines Ward avg 863 yards per yr and was one of the toughest S.O.B to play WR.

The way garcon approaches the game is far from soft. Again guys like Alshon Jeffery can have a 1k season, yet still be soft as baby s**t.

Ward went over 950 yards in 8 out of 9 seasons in his prime. Garcon did it twice. I get your point there but one of those players is a lot better than the other.

I never called Garcon soft just pointed out he does have a history of frustrating seasons. Ask Wsh.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This says we're 6th overall in YPG?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

I mean we ran 92 plays and had the ball for 40 mins last week, I'd say they chewed up the clock, no?

I didn't challenge that we were 6th in rushing. I brought up ToP stats, how many plays our d has been subject to.
We run for big plays, St Louis can vary it.

Against Arizona. The worse offense in football. We're 14th on the year. Not bad but the Rams are vastly superior and it shows.

Hard to have great TOP numbers when you got INTs and fumblrs happening across the board. No one is doubting the Rams have a superior roster, they spent cash and gave up picks for proven players. And they have been pretty damn lucky with injuries so far.

You and I both know this current roster that SF is putting out isn't who kyle expected to have going into week 6, not close.

Kyle's had top rushing teams in Houston, DC, and ATL so let's not assume he's not about running the ball.

I'd love to see McVay have to trot out Sean Mannion, a bunch of UDFA WRs, A UDFA RB and some dude of the street and deal with a banged up OL. I'm sure he'd still be grinding out the clock

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Would you fire Shanahan for BB?

lol what kind of question is this......

yes, you'd fire pretty much 99% of coaches if you had the chance of hiring BB. The only guy I wouldn't fire would be Walsh.