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Oct 15, 2018 at 5:42 AM

#19921

NYniner85
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Originally posted by English:
Tbe Eagles were lucky. As were NE some years ago. Neither team was rebuilding at the time, and I cant think of any other 2nd stringer that could carry a rebuilding team. But I am conscious that there is a general tone of pessimism on the zone and a desire to flame everything to do with the team. Enjoy the misery.

Luck is a major factor in winning sometimes. 2011 SF had a crazy turnover ratio (not sustainable) which helps us get to the NFCC. I think overall they were very healthy from 2011-2013 and look SF was good. Healthy starters for the long haul is one of the best ways to win games.

2014 they were all banged up and our play on the field showed.

[ Edited by NYniner85 on Oct 15, 2018 at 5:43 AM ]

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Oct 15, 2018 at 6:08 AM

#19922

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Originally posted by MK_Ultra:
49ers should have had these 3 future all-pros:
Pat Mahomes ... Instead drafted Solomon Thomas
Derwin James ... Instead drafted Mike McGlinchey
Trent Brown .. ... Instead drafted Taverius Moore

We wouldn't have drafted Mahomes because we could have had Tom Brady.

Oct 15, 2018 at 6:10 AM

#19923

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Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I find it hilarious that the same people who flame Lynch and the FO for not landing Mack, also give them no credit for acquiring Jimmy G.

There are 32 teams in this league, and when a great player becomes available several teams want them, it isn't like your franchise game of Madden.

Excellent point!

Oct 15, 2018 at 6:34 AM

#19924

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Originally posted by cortana49:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I find it hilarious that the same people who flame Lynch and the FO for not landing Mack, also give them no credit for acquiring Jimmy G.

There are 32 teams in this league, and when a great player becomes available several teams want them, it isn't like your franchise game of Madden.

Excellent point!

Come on man. Belechick texted or called Lynch and said he's yours for a second round pick. We inquired about him before this season. Lynch did nothing. JG was given to us because BB wanted JG to go to a good offensive mind and out of the AFC.Lynch deserves no credit for that. We got veeerrryyy lucky.

Oct 15, 2018 at 6:37 AM

#19925

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Also, I am not convinced that this offense is right for JG. He is a Belechick offense qb! Bring in a BB offensive mind!! Call me crazy if you want. Hopefully I am dead wrong

Oct 15, 2018 at 6:41 AM

#19926

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Bears landed trubisky and Mack when in a similar position to us. I certainly love JG but after watching cousins this year I'm wondering if part of Shanny still wishes he went after cousins.

Our GM did a lot of work alright, but he's got a lot left to do.

Oct 15, 2018 at 6:42 AM

#19927

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Originally posted by socal1632:
Come on man. Belechick texted or called Lynch and said he's yours for a second round pick. We inquired about him before this season. Lynch did nothing. JG was given to us because BB wanted JG to go to a good offensive mind and out of the AFC.Lynch deserves no credit for that. We got veeerrryyy lucky.

So if we didn't have kyle or lynch in SF would jimmy G still be a Niner? That's half the battle with trading is having relationships.

Again you think SF was the only team to offer them anything?

Oct 15, 2018 at 6:46 AM

#19928

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Considering the amount of turnover I'd assume most players injured would be Kyle's players lol.

What is this "soft" BS anyway....what is kyle suppose to do to make his player not "soft"? You got CBA restrictions up the butt now. You got guys tearing ACLs (non contact) if you can figure out how to fix that you'd be a millionaire.

It's not like he targeting "soft" players either. McGlinchey is a iron man. Garcon has always been a tough S.O.B, kyle draftd Beathard because he's was tough as nails etc...

Players get hurt it happens. The whole notion that players are soft and that equals injuries is a false narrative imo.

I think with a healthy squad they'd be 3-2 right now. They weren't playoff contenders (yet) regardless. Could be a blessing disguise with the high end picks coming from the injuries.

If your entire team involves a bunch of undersized, speed guys they're going to get beat up over the course the season.

You bring up Garcon being tough as nails. Is that why he only averages 700 yards despite playing with Manning, Cousins his entire career and his big seasons are an anomaly. That's being tough as nails?

I do agree it's a bad break with Jimmy and that took an acceptable 8-9 win season to a 4 win one but I'd like to see him shed some of the track mentality in the future.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Oct 15, 2018 at 7:03 AM ]

Oct 15, 2018 at 7:05 AM

#19929

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Originally posted by socal1632:
Also, I am not convinced that this offense is right for JG. He is a Belechick offense qb! Bring in a BB offensive mind!! Call me crazy if you want. Hopefully I am dead wrong

What does this even mean? What about this offense is Jimmy G incapable of doing?

Jimmy G was learning BB offense for 4 yrs so I'd expect him to have a better understanding of it. He's gonna be just fine under Kyle, he's a ideal fit for a WCO scheme.

Oct 15, 2018 at 7:09 AM

#19930

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by socal1632:
Come on man. Belechick texted or called Lynch and said he's yours for a second round pick. We inquired about him before this season. Lynch did nothing. JG was given to us because BB wanted JG to go to a good offensive mind and out of the AFC.Lynch deserves no credit for that. We got veeerrryyy lucky.

So if we didn't have kyle or lynch in SF would jimmy G still be a Niner? That's half the battle with trading is having relationships.

Again you think SF was the only team to offer them anything?

It's ridiculous, the amount of irrational thought that goes on here. I guess it's difficult for people to look at things objectively. The whole "Lynch was lucky to get Jimmy G." is a tired narrative from a crowd unwilling to give Lynch credit for doing his homework and pulling the trigger. Same crowd won't acknowledge solid pickups like Kittle, McGlinchey, Foster, TTaylor, Breida, Sherman (we got lucky to get him too, or so I've read on the 'zone

) DJJones, Person, Richburg, etc.

Oct 15, 2018 at 7:10 AM

#19931

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Originally posted by tjd808185:
If your entire team involves a bunch of undersized, speed guys they're going to get beat up over the course the season.

You bring up Garcon being tough as nails. Is that why he only averages 700 yards despite playing with Manning, Cousins his entire career and his big seasons are an anomaly. That's being tough as nails?

I do agree it's a bad break with Jimmy and that took an acceptable 8-9 win season to a 4 win one but I'd like to see him shed some of the track mentality in the future.

So bigger and slow equals less injuries? Tell that to AA.

I'm sorry, so having 1,000 yard season means your rough and tough, what? So, Alshon Jeffery is a tough as nails guy who's never injured I guess, if that's what qualifies as "tough".

Garcon plays tough always has, that's my pt he's not even close to a "soft" player.

[ Edited by NYniner85 on Oct 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM ]

Oct 15, 2018 at 7:33 AM

#19932

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Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by socal1632:
Come on man. Belechick texted or called Lynch and said he's yours for a second round pick. We inquired about him before this season. Lynch did nothing. JG was given to us because BB wanted JG to go to a good offensive mind and out of the AFC.Lynch deserves no credit for that. We got veeerrryyy lucky.

So if we didn't have kyle or lynch in SF would jimmy G still be a Niner? That's half the battle with trading is having relationships.

Again you think SF was the only team to offer them anything?

It's ridiculous, the amount of irrational thought that goes on here. I guess it's difficult for people to look at things objectively. The whole "Lynch was lucky to get Jimmy G." is a tired narrative from a crowd unwilling to give Lynch credit for doing his homework and pulling the trigger. Same crowd won't acknowledge solid pickups like Kittle, McGlinchey, Foster, TTaylor, Breida, Sherman (we got lucky to get him too, or so I've read on the 'zone ) DJJones, Person, Richburg, etc.

It really is, you can be critical about some of the moves no doubt, there been a couple poor decisions. But you can't say every good move was luck and every bad move was because the suck.

Oct 15, 2018 at 7:47 AM

#19933

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
So bigger and slow equals less injuries? Tell that to AA.

I'm sorry, so having 1,000 yard season means your rough and tough, what? So, Alshon Jeffery is a tough as nails guy who's never injured I guess, if that's what qualifies as "tough".

Garcon plays tough always has, that's my pt he's not even close to a "soft" player.

His career says he gets dinged up and his production suffers. If that's tough to you fine but 700 yards is just that. Now we're relying on an old man trying to be that tough guy. 700 goes to 500.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Oct 15, 2018 at 7:50 AM ]

Oct 15, 2018 at 7:53 AM

#19934

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Originally posted by socal1632:
Also, I am not convinced that this offense is right for JG. He is a Belechick offense qb! Bring in a BB offensive mind!! Call me crazy if you want. Hopefully I am dead wrong

Would you fire Shanahan for BB?

Oct 15, 2018 at 7:53 AM

#19935

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I will say that overall we seem to have the injury bug lol

I think Lynch has done ok. Feel like Thomas was a big miss, but otherwise the last two drafts have been fairly good. People forget how terrible we were when these guys signed on.

I'm not saying we can't criticize moves, players etc, I just think we need another off season and patience to really make a more valid argument either way.

Imo, I am very skeptical of our DC, but it's not like he's getting tons of talent either.