John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
We're as good as the Patriots and Eagles.

So says the people who say you are what your record says you are (remember that during the 0-9 stretch last year?)

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Lol I'm not moving goal posts. You're judging a franchise's direction on the first 2 weeks

Why answer a stupid hypothetical? What if 49ers lose every game the rest of the year? I'd never ask such a dumb hypo

49ers should have lost last week when Jimmy threw a pick. We got fortunate Refs called holding, doesn't change the fact Jimmy made a game losing error

No reason to say we've accomplished anything on the 2 games this year

Even if the pick didn't get called back, we were still up by 3 with a little over 2 mins left. Detroit would have to score a td to win and even if they did there still might of been time left for us to score. If they kick the FG we go to overtime. His pick wasn't an auto L

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I'll be honest, I can never tell with the webzone. There so much doom and gloom on here at times that if someone says the only team we're run better than is the Browns, I'm not sure whether to believe them, take it as sarcasm, or in your case, just take it as a general point. I've never seen a reaction like this after a win where the offense put up 30 points in an ugly game. Ugly offensive games for us used to by 6 to 13 points or God forbid, a shutout.

My point is aside from us getting Jimmy G, Lynch hasn't accomplished anything to make us think he is the real deal. That doesn't mean he is doomed to fail.

Since 2003, aside from a 3 year stint, we've stunk. That 15 year stench doesn't instantly go away because we are 1-1

Wait till we are on a roll or in playoffs or something before celebrating and saying we are better than franchises with a rich 10 or 15 year track record

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

So says the people who say you are what your record says you are (remember that during the 0-9 stretch last year?)

2 games vs 9 is a rather big difference

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I wasn't trying to imply that Jed forced McCloughan out as much as I was making the point McCloughan was our last legitimate GM.

McCloughan didn't have any official personnel power for all but two years that he was here, and those two drafts were atrocious. He's a great scout but he should never hold the key decision maker position for any franchise. The whole "legitimate" word is meaningless. He was a GM the same way that Lynch is a GM. He ran the team as he saw fit, the same way Lynch is doing.

I don't blame the 49ers for severing ties with him due to his personal problems, as many teams have, but the problem (lack of GM) has been compounded by the team in the period since. We saw similar results with our coaching changes (Singletary, Chip, and most especially Tomsula).

They didn't have a lack of GM, they just had a bad GM in Baalke who couldn't make it work with the coaching staff, couldn't evaluate talent properly, nor did he do much in the way of representing the organization positively in the media.

I also am not necessarily arguing that Lynch is a 'puppet'. I would argue the GM position on our team has essentially been performed by a committee, with two of the main players being completely free of accountability. Multiple GM candidates refused to interview with the team and/or bowed out after interviews. There were reports that candidates were concerned with Marathe's role in particular (which was answered with a nice positive pr campaign that offseason after the hirings were completed).

If Lynch or Shanahan felt that Marathe would be intruding, they flat out would have never taken the jobs. The GM candidates that bowed out could easily have done so because they were reluctant to give Shanahan that much personnel power. If you're a Chris Ballard or even a Brian Gutekunst, you want to be the unquestioned captain of the ship, not sharing control with a head coach. Meanwhile the 49ers were looking for a power sharing arrangement like we see in Seattle and other places. That will take a lot of GM candidates off the table right then and there. If Shanahan was refusing to come aboard without at least some input in personnel, then it made sense to find someone willing to accept that arrangement AND that was compatible with Shanahan. As we saw with the Baalke and Harbaugh relationship, if the GM and HC aren't on the same page, things will quickly get toxic and fast.

I don't think John Lynch is a pushover; but I do think he took a job he had no opportunity to get elsewhere, with unique job security/insurance, while skipping nearly every relevant level of typical experience. I don't think it's some giant concession for him to share responsibilities with someone like a Marathe (who has strengths of his own), but I don't think it bodes well for our future.

Lynch took the job because he has a strong personal relationship with the Shanahan family and because he'd be able to put together his own front office as he saw fit. He didn't need the job, I'm sure he was doing quite well in broadcasting and it was far less stressful work. Everyone that was brought in was brought in due to Lynch. Mayhew was a former teammate of his in Tampa, Peters was brought in as a result of the friendship that Lynch has with Elway. It was 100% his construct, the same as the coaching staff was 100% Shanahan's construct.

This has nothing to do with Josh Gordon or really any single personnel move or lack thereof. I'm fully aware of how bare the cupboard is/was in terms of talent and how long it could take to replenish it. I don't want this problem further compounded by incompetence as we have consistently seen with this organization for years.

The problem is that there is absolutely no evidence of what you're claiming. Marathe will remain involved in assisting contract negotiations and providing input on trade value information and other analytics. It is up to Lynch and Shanahan what they decide to do with that information. Much like the Chicago Bears trade where Marathe gave Lynch a detailed analysis on how much the tradedown should be worth based on a collection of draft trade data. Virtually every team in the league has specialists who handle contract negotiations and analytics as well. I too have been long concerned about Marathe's overall influence when it falls on to the football side of things but with Lynch and Shanahan they have people in charge that aren't being granted some sort of special favor by being employed with the 49ers, people with realistic options that they could pursue and contracts that dictate that they have the freedom to do whatever the hell they want for at least 4 years. I don't see Jed or Marathe ever pushing around either of them.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:
So far Mack has two strip sacks and a pick six in two games.

Didn't try hard enough....

Allen Robinson has 8 catches too at halftime. That's more than our whole team last week.

Avg 8.3 yard per catch

Every route is underneath and intermediate. Not his fault.

So they paid Ferrari money and are driving it like a minivan. Awesome.

A GM who knows the game of football as well as anyone...who actually played the game for many years at the highest level and is a near Hall of Famer...who is smart enough to know right away upon being hired his inexperience in actual GM duties and thus surrounds himself with other quality, experienced football people...who makes it a point to work in collaboration with his HC and top personnel guys...who is well connected and respected around the league...who spent some years in the media post-football and thus knows the importance of keeping good relations with the media...who represents this franchise incredibly well when speaking to the public on behalf of the team...who seems to never be satisfied and always wants his team and himself to get better yet realizes it's a process and involves hard work (was this way as a player - he might not have had the most raw talent but he put in the work to become a nine-time Pro Bowler)...who not only helped bring in a franchise QB that many (including me) feel is definitely the guy, he also got the deal done in signing him long-term...

Yeah, you could say I'm more and more impressed & ecstatic John Lynch is the GM of my favorite sports team.

Originally posted by bigwads:

Growing List of Lynch/Shanahan Mistakes:

1. Trading Trent Brown for a 5th Rounder.
2. Not giving up 2 1st for Khalil Mack. After totally screwing up that Soloman Thomas first rounder, I really have no confidence in this group to draft well in the first.

Really, the whinging in this place is just embarrassing. A "growing" list. Two! And you are wrong about both.

Trading Brown was a pity in my view, but getting a 3rd for him was incredible. I don't see how this can be assessed as a mistake bearing in mind his weight problem and the fact that he doesn't fit in with Shanahan's scheme. But tackle isnt where the problem was on the line anyway.

Khalil Mack- It was a trade. You have no way of knowing whether the Raiders were even prepared to trade him to us but several commentators have said that they went with the Bears because they were confident that their 1st round picks would be significantly earlier. Personally I would have been very unhappy at trading two first round picks for him, let alone two plus whatever extra bounty the Raiders demanded to offset the perceived likely difference in draft position.

Solomon Thomas- At present he is a disappointing pick. To leap from that to losing all confidence in the team's ability to draft well in the first suggests a hidden agenda. The draft is a lottery. You ought to know that. There is no difference between drafting in the first and drafting in subsequent rounds. Only your perception. The team's drafting has been excellent, bearing in mind that it has been completely rebuilt in 2 seasons. And despite that, one poster came up with the idiotic comment that maybe Baalke was better.

If after 2 years you can only come up with two somewhat tenuous complaints I would suggest the team are doing pretty good.

Originally posted by bigwads:

Growing List of Lynch/Shanahan Mistakes:

1. Trading Trent Brown for a 5th Rounder.

They traded a piece that didn't fit, that they were never going to commit to long term and swapped him for an asset in return. They then drafted a piece that fits what they want to do better.


That is a problem how?

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
A GM who knows the game of football as well as anyone...who actually played the game for many years at the highest level and is a near Hall of Famer...who is smart enough to know right away upon being hired his inexperience in actual GM duties and thus surrounds himself with other quality, experienced football people...who makes it a point to work in collaboration with his HC and top personnel guys...who is well connected and respected around the league...who spent some years in the media post-football and thus knows the importance of keeping good relations with the media...who represents this franchise incredibly well when speaking to the public on behalf of the team...who seems to never be satisfied and always wants his team and himself to get better yet realizes it's a process and involves hard work (was this way as a player - he might not have had the most raw talent but he put in the work to become a nine-time Pro Bowler)...who not only helped bring in a franchise QB that many (including me) feel is definitely the guy, he also got the deal done in signing him long-term...

Yeah, you could say I'm more and more impressed & ecstatic John Lynch is the GM of my favorite sports team.

I"m more impressed with John choosing Adam Peters than anything else.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by bigwads:

Growing List of Lynch/Shanahan Mistakes:

1. Trading Trent Brown for a 5th Rounder.
2. Not giving up 2 1st for Khalil Mack. After totally screwing up that Soloman Thomas first rounder, I really have no confidence in this group to draft well in the first.

Really, the whinging in this place is just embarrassing. A "growing" list. Two! And you are wrong about both.

Trading Brown was a pity in my view, but getting a 3rd for him was incredible. I don't see how this can be assessed as a mistake bearing in mind his weight problem and the fact that he doesn't fit in with Shanahan's scheme. But tackle isnt where the problem was on the line anyway.

Khalil Mack- It was a trade. You have no way of knowing whether the Raiders were even prepared to trade him to us but several commentators have said that they went with the Bears because they were confident that their 1st round picks would be significantly earlier. Personally I would have been very unhappy at trading two first round picks for him, let alone two plus whatever extra bounty the Raiders demanded to offset the perceived likely difference in draft position.

Solomon Thomas- At present he is a disappointing pick. To leap from that to losing all confidence in the team's ability to draft well in the first suggests a hidden agenda. The draft is a lottery. You ought to know that. There is no difference between drafting in the first and drafting in subsequent rounds. Only your perception. The team's drafting has been excellent, bearing in mind that it has been completely rebuilt in 2 seasons. And despite that, one poster came up with the idiotic comment that maybe Baalke was better.

If after 2 years you can only come up with two somewhat tenuous complaints I would suggest the team are doing pretty good.

Lol. Yeah bring back Baalke and Erickson this regime sucks! Come on get real. People who expect perfection are morons.

Originally posted by socal1632:

So far through 2 games we are 21st in the league in O and 22nd on D.Brick by Brick..

And NE is 20th in offense and 28th in defense?? What's your point, it's two games.

The amount of whining in here is unreal. I get why other fan bases call us "whiners"

I swear people just prefer to complain for the hell of it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by socal1632:

So far through 2 games we are 21st in the league in O and 22nd on D.Brick by Brick..

And NE is 20th in offense and 28th in defense?? What's your point, it's two games.

The amount of whining in here is unreal. I get why other fan bases call us "whiners"

I swear people just prefer to complain for the hell of it.

Some want to complain. And it's complaints without any context.

How many games must the 49ers win this season to indicate Lynch is doing a good job?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

So far Mack has two strip sacks and a pick six in two games.

Didn't try hard enough....

Allen Robinson has 8 catches too at halftime. That's more than our whole team last week.

Avg 8.3 yard per catch

Every route is underneath and intermediate. Not his fault.

So they paid Ferrari money and are driving it like a minivan. Awesome.

They easily would have lost without him. 10 catches.

Once Trubisky learns to attempt a pass longer than 10 yards, he'll stretch the field more as needed (like in week 1).

But against Seattle's defense, you take what they give you and dink and dunk.

But right now, Trubisky is not a very good QB.