John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Niners816:
So we're gonna act like McCloughan didn't drink his way out of here.....also those 2 drafts he ran (2008 and 2009) were absolutely horrendous.

I liked McCloughan but there's a reason he got fired multiple times by different NFL teams...

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Our new GM, who has a clear talent in communication, came out publicly and addressed a known concern among a fanbase that was demonstrably upset with the team's leadership.

It amazes me that people put any credibility in that story for two reasons:

1. It came from the team.
2. Not leaking about something for a temporary period really means nothing.

Some people's interpretations of the last hiring cycle really boggle my mind. Taking clear negatives (from leak tests to ironclad contracts)and spinning them as positives.

There isn't any evidence for what you're claiming, it doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense when you consider who Lynch and Shanahan are. Neither of these guys are the puppet type, both are incredibly competent, intelligent and otherwise independent individuals. Neither of them need to be anyone's puppet, they knew the reputation of this organization when they signed on, I'm sure they had communicated with previous coaches and front office staff that had worked here, there were even those who had previously worked with Kyle and his dad, so nothing was a shock to them. They got fully guaranteed 6 year deals so they could lay out their plans without any worry about interference or pressure from above. They have the best job security in the NFL right now.

So if you are arguing that they came here just to be puppets of people far less accomplished than them, sorry, that is absolutely ridiculous. All this stuff reeks of pure frustration that they aren't making all the moves that the fans are demanding.

If Lynch had traded for Gordon, nobody would be calling him a puppet but when Gordon inevitably relapsed and got banned from the NFL, the same people would be calling him an idiot for taking a chance on such a risky player.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Niners816:

So we're gonna act like McCloughan didn't drink his way out of here.....also those 2 drafts he ran (2008 and 2009) were absolutely horrendous.

McCloughan was shown the door after spending a big chunk of the 2010 offseason in rehab, he showed up, apparently relapsed and was gone. Since then, two other teams have let him go for the same issue. Trying to make it an issue of Jed having pushed him out as some sort of wacky power play just doesn't add up. The guy is a legit alcoholic, he's struggled with it, apparently he continues to struggle with it. I hope he gets all the help he needs but I don't blame teams from moving on from him. Having an unstable, erratic executive with a drinking problem is not good for business, though the Redskins certainly could have handled it in a much more classy fashion. He's an amazing scout but you need a lot more than that from your GM.

Jed took over when? Like December of 2008? Boy how I wish he would have waited just a couple of weeks before name Sing HC. Had he, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden were all free.

Jed basically stood pat with the Nolan regime. Keep Sing and Scot.

Originally posted by captveg:

It's not as if this is all that complicated, either: they had about 18 starters and the entire depth of the team they wanted to replace. That takes 3-4 offseasons, not two.

I'd say three to four offseasons to totally turn a team around if you get lucky and everything goes right, which usually doesn't happen.

If you don't we don't really know how long it takes, because it has been decades since everyone didn't get fired unless they get lucky in those first three or four.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by captveg:
It's not as if this is all that complicated, either: they had about 18 starters and the entire depth of the team they wanted to replace. That takes 3-4 offseasons, not two.

I'd say three to four offseasons to totally turn a team around if you get lucky and everything goes right, which usually doesn't happen.

If you don't we don't really know how long it takes, because it has been decades since everyone didn't get fired unless they get lucky in those first three or four.

Well, yes, I was saying that as being a time frame of a quickly successful turnaround. If things stagnate a bit I would hope Jed wouldn't listen to this fanbase, because quite frankly we are not gonna get a better GM/HC combo again for a loooooooooooooong time if Lynch/Shanahan get dismissed. Aside from outright disasters (say, multiple 4 wins or less seasons in a row) you keep these guys for 10 years, minimum, IMO. This should be a Cowher in Pittsburgh type leniency for this regime.

Originally posted by 15crabtree:

Same crappy approach.so how long until he is fired

Not soon enough. Hes a huge upgrade over baalke but he is still not a good gm.

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Not soon enough. Hes a huge upgrade over baalke but he is still not a good gm.

Why does it matter to you? Your team got worked by KC yesterday. Y'all need some new CB's.

Originally posted by JMC52:
Niners are the most stacked at WR we've been since I was sitting in diapers, calm down.

they are nice. pettis has great potential. they are fast but not strong. can not get separation. upgrade needed after this year in my opinion

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Probably already mentioned, but we don't have a 5th in next year's draft. I bet that was the deciding factor!

it is being reserved for an acl guy

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Niners816:

So we're gonna act like McCloughan didn't drink his way out of here.....also those 2 drafts he ran (2008 and 2009) were absolutely horrendous.

McCloughan was shown the door after spending a big chunk of the 2010 offseason in rehab, he showed up, apparently relapsed and was gone. Since then, two other teams have let him go for the same issue. Trying to make it an issue of Jed having pushed him out as some sort of wacky power play just doesn't add up. The guy is a legit alcoholic, he's struggled with it, apparently he continues to struggle with it. I hope he gets all the help he needs but I don't blame teams from moving on from him. Having an unstable, erratic executive with a drinking problem is not good for business, though the Redskins certainly could have handled it in a much more classy fashion. He's an amazing scout but you need a lot more than that from your GM.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Our new GM, who has a clear talent in communication, came out publicly and addressed a known concern among a fanbase that was demonstrably upset with the team's leadership.

It amazes me that people put any credibility in that story for two reasons:

1. It came from the team.
2. Not leaking about something for a temporary period really means nothing.

Some people's interpretations of the last hiring cycle really boggle my mind. Taking clear negatives (from leak tests to ironclad contracts)and spinning them as positives.

There isn't any evidence for what you're claiming, it doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense when you consider who Lynch and Shanahan are. Neither of these guys are the puppet type, both are incredibly competent, intelligent and otherwise independent individuals. Neither of them need to be anyone's puppet, they knew the reputation of this organization when they signed on, I'm sure they had communicated with previous coaches and front office staff that had worked here, there were even those who had previously worked with Kyle and his dad, so nothing was a shock to them. They got fully guaranteed 6 year deals so they could lay out their plans without any worry about interference or pressure from above. They have the best job security in the NFL right now.

So if you are arguing that they came here just to be puppets of people far less accomplished than them, sorry, that is absolutely ridiculous. All this stuff reeks of pure frustration that they aren't making all the moves that the fans are demanding.

If Lynch had traded for Gordon, nobody would be calling him a puppet but when Gordon inevitably relapsed and got banned from the NFL, the same people would be calling him an idiot for taking a chance on such a risky player.

I wasn't trying to imply that Jed forced McCloughan out as much as I was making the point McCloughan was our last legitimate GM.

I don't blame the 49ers for severing ties with him due to his personal problems, as many teams have, but the problem (lack of GM) has been compounded by the team in the period since. We saw similar results with our coaching changes (Singletary, Chip, and most especially Tomsula).

I also am not necessarily arguing that Lynch is a 'puppet'. I would argue the GM position on our team has essentially been performed by a committee, with two of the main players being completely free of accountability. Multiple GM candidates refused to interview with the team and/or bowed out after interviews. There were reports that candidates were concerned with Marathe's role in particular (which was answered with a nice positive pr campaign that offseason after the hirings were completed).

I don't think John Lynch is a pushover; but I do think he took a job he had no opportunity to get elsewhere, with unique job security/insurance, while skipping nearly every relevant level of typical experience. I don't think it's some giant concession for him to share responsibilities with someone like a Marathe (who has strengths of his own), but I don't think it bodes well for our future.

This has nothing to do with Josh Gordon or really any single personnel move or lack thereof. I'm fully aware of how bare the cupboard is/was in terms of talent and how long it could take to replenish it. I don't want this problem further compounded by incompetence as we have consistently seen with this organization for years.

Growing List of Lynch/Shanahan Mistakes:

1. Trading Trent Brown for a 5th Rounder.
2. Not giving up 2 1st for Khalil Mack. After totally screwing up that Soloman Thomas first rounder, I really have no confidence in this group to draft well in the first.

Originally posted by bigwads:

Growing List of Lynch/Shanahan Mistakes:

1. Trading Trent Brown for a 5th Rounder.
2. Not giving up 2 1st for Khalil Mack. After totally screwing up that Soloman Thomas first rounder, I really have no confidence in this group to draft well in the first.

1. He wasn't traded for a 5th
2. You never have confidence in any Niner FO so what else is new

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Probably already mentioned, but we don't have a 5th in next year's draft. I bet that was the deciding factor!

Not a problem, they've done a solid job on 7th rounders so trading down a pick or two would solve that problem.

So far Mack has two strip sacks and a pick six in two games.

Didn't try hard enough....

Originally posted by jcs:
So far Mack has two strip sacks and a pick six in two games.

Didn't try hard enough....

I'm sure every teams fan base is shaking their heads also for not trying hard enough not just us.