49ers Week 3 2016 - Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Good post as always, Marvin. What's really disturbing about yesterday's loss is they were beat in three areas - offense, defense, and special teams - and that they looked so terrible in being beat in these areas.

Offense: Gabbert is showing more and more that he's not the guy...good back-up but just isn't a playmaker at QB and is really exposed vs. good defenses. The offense overall lacks true playmakers at the skill positions (Captain Obvious, I know). Hyde looks like a good, promising RB assuming he can stay healthy but he needs help at the other skill positions to free things up for him.

Defense: Was really shocked at how poorly they played right from Seattle's first series...Seattle's O-line IS NOT GOOD (although it appears Tom Cable is some kind of miracle worker). I know this D is young - it really showed yesterday. The complexities of the scheme might need to be scaled back some against certain teams as there were some blown coverages/alignments yesterday. Good-to-great teams will expose this often as we saw yesterday. Besides Bowman (who still doesn't look like his old self yet) and Brooks, our LBs have been invisible. Is the D personnel right now really best suited to run a 3-4? When you have an LB corp of Brooks-Willis-Bowman-A. Smith and a D-line anchored by J. Smith, you definitely can run it and create havoc for opposing teams. The secondary needs to start making plays also. Reid has to at the very least knock that deep ball down that Graham ripped away. In last week's game, Reaser has to hold on to that INT when he hit the ground at their goal line. He doesn't and the Panthers get the FG to add to their lead going into the Half.

Special Teams: This is such a crucial part of the game...at least Pinion is playing well and helping w/ the field position battle. Dawson misses the 53-yarder - very makeable for him and when he missed, they get great field position. And then there's the long punt return by Lockett...pretty good play by Burbridge where he did what he had to do to stay in the play to keep him from scoring.

Keeping the faith as always, but you cannot get beat (and beat so soundly) in these three phases of the game. A lot of it was head-scratching at times - especially the way their weak O-line had things their way most of the game. Hoping to see a lot of improvement across the board going into next week's game vs. Dallas.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by susweel:

Tell that idiot Hyde to stop flexing when scoring garbage time TDs.

Maybe he should line up right during the first offensive play of the game.

yah that too, but how does the QB not know he is not there.

Zero awareness, that's how

Originally posted by Kolohe:
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Originally posted by susweel:
Tell that idiot Hyde to stop flexing when scoring garbage time TDs.

So much this. Annoying as hell.

And in other news, Frank Gore looking like his ole self.

Agree on both counts!

Originally posted by Hitman49:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by susweel:
Is it wrong that the only time I got excited all game was when harold injured Wilson ?

nope. t'was the only bright spot. Unless u count Hyde's garbage time TDs/Celebrations.

that was unnecessary...please stop all celebration at the end of the game when your down by 30 pts...

Agree

Absolutely pathetic!

You re-watched that game?!

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Ugg. MAN I hate Seattle.

3) Buckner: I have big hopes for him so don't get me wrong, but has he looked a bit invisible to you guys this season? I just haven't seen much from him. Now he's a 3-4 end so I realize he isn't going to pop on every play, but I just haven't seen much. I also realize he's young and learning on the job so I'm giving him a pass. Just wondering if anyone else is seeing what I am.
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9) Murderers Row: OK. They are finally through the Murderers Row of front 7s. That is probably the worst 3 game stretch they'll see of defenses. The Cowboys and Cards will present their own challenges, but those were the best fronts they'll see all year (and they'll see 2 of them again). NOW I want to see if this O can get untracked. NOW I want to see if they can get this run game going and yes, I'd like to see a diff QB.

I thought DeFo had a bad game against the run. It seemed like SEA ran specifically at him. I saw him get blocked with TE on one play and that can't happen to a 290 pounder. SEA loves to go 3 WR to put the defense in nickel, then run against that.

That was such a back breaking drive when SEA overcame two offensive holding penalties to score a TD on their second drive of the game. For an OL that was supposed to be bad, they looked just fine. I would have liked to see the 49ers challenge the WRs more and put a safety over the top to discourage the deep throws. Maybe that was happening and the players just didn't execute.

The passing game needs to look functional against DAL next week. DAL has plenty of experience against Chip's offense so we'll see if he can add any wrinkles that make it less predictable.

Call it dumb blind faith, but I think this team is gonna look a lot better at home. Especially on the defensive end. That just seems to be our MO right now.

If we can get a win and be 2-2 after the first month, I will be feeling pretty good.

Great. Now we can play our way out of the #1 pick.

You hit the nail right on the head joecool!

We'll get just enough wins to move us out of any chance on getting a franchise QB.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

8) Hyde: Garbage yards at the end there but I don't care. Was still nice to see him find some space and score twice. Obviously the D was relaxed, but was still nice to see.

Seattle doesn't play garbage time. They never let up. You earn every yard you get.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Right on assessment of Gabbert. I had just finished watching the game myself. He didn't do much, but so goes the whole offense. I listened to the game yesterday, and by Tim Ryan's description every pass by Gabbert was a bad pass lol. Sounds terrible all game. That's not how it was watching the game.

Seattle with their physical DBs exposed what we all thought this offensive personel needed going into this season, a physical receiver, when we lost Boldin.

We have Kerley, Patton, and Smith trying to bang around the short and medium part of the field. None of them are adequate. You have Kerley getting between the zones but he's not going to body position or shield to catch a pass on anyone at 5'9. Patton couldn't get out of a jam between the sideline and the DB 15 yds downfield to get to the ball thrown to him.

Maybe with Smith and McD we could have a nice combo of speed and size/speed with both guys to attack the medium and deep. But McD wasn't available. Celek has size but not the speed.

So you have guys that couldnt make a play to get 4 yards on 3rd&4 because they can't fight to get open or the catch.

Maybe Gabbert should force something deep like it's a punt. Frustrating game. Like the Browns game of last year.

Good post. Pretty much the way I saw it as well.

Originally posted by SisterFister:

Tyrod Taylor's weapons
1. Lesean McCoy
2. Robert Woods
3. Walt Powell
4. Nick Oleary
5. Marquise Goodwin
6. One legged Sammy Watkins (DNP)

Joe Flaccos weapons
1. 37 year old Steve Smith (acl recovery)
2. 30 year old Mike Wallace
3. Dennis Pitta
4. Terrance West
5. Justin Forsett
6. Kamaar Aiken
7. Breshad Perriman (acl recovery)

Sam Bradfords weapons
1. Stephon Diggs
2. Kyle Rudolph
3. Adam Theilen WR
4. Rhett Elison TE
5. Jerick McKinnon
6. Matt Asiata

Cody Kesslers weapons
1. Isaiah Crowell
2. Duke Johnson Jr
3. Terrelle Pryor
4. Gary Barnidge
5. Ricardo Louis
6. Andrew Hawkins

Carson Wentzs weapons
1. Jordan Mathews
2. Darren Sproiles
3. Ryan Mathews
4. Dorial Green Beckham
5. Nelson Agholor
6. Garrett Celek

Phillip Rivers weapons
1. Travis Benjamin
2. Melvin Gordon
3. Hunter Henry
4. Tyrell Williams
5. Dontrelle Inman

Every single QB on this list other than Tyrod Taylor completed passes over 63%. Of those, three of them won and two of them lost in final minute on the road. Outside of McCoy I see 0 superstar weapons, with Jordan Mathews, Diggs, and Watkins being somewhat close.

Every single QB other than Bradford had completions longer than 20 yards. Three of them (Wentz, Rivers, Kessler) had completions over 40 yards. Case Keenum, as bad as he is and as bad as the Rams WR talent is, had a 43 yard TD pass and a 44 yard td pass. (Not in garbage time)

I understand Gabbert doesn't have a star or superstar WR. But if we did, would it matter? Do you think Gabbert could effectively get him the ball? I don't think so. His yards per attempt and completion percentage are embarrassing.

This ship has sailed. It's time to move on.

I agree. We know what we have with Gabbert (Alex Smith lite).
The one legged Sammy Watkins made me laugh.

Originally posted by harryj:

Originally posted by lamontb:
One thing i see missing Marvin is any critique of this coaching staff.
Gabby needs to be benched
Beadles Kilgore and Brown are struggling in the run blocking. Pass pro is the highlight of the team so far this season
Tank and Harold are invisible. Brooks is playing a lot better than i thought he would. Props to him
I'm not seeing Buckner or Armstead making any plays.

i just typed defensive pressure in google (dont have PFF)

AA has 5 the leader aaron donald has 7

it doesnt include sacks i think it says defined as qb pressure/hurry

5 pressures isn't making any plays to me. Is their a stat to tell if those 5 pressures ended with a incompletion or turnover? If not it's pretty meaningless. Plenty of qb's make plays under pressure. We needs some sacks forced fumbles. We need play makers

every time we play seattle, they thrash us. Not just point wise, but physically. I think our players are scared of them. bunch of pussies.

Originally posted by lamontb:
5 pressures isn't making any plays to me. Is their a stat to tell if those 5 pressures ended with a incompletion or turnover? If not it's pretty meaningless. Plenty of qb's make plays under pressure. We needs some sacks forced fumbles. We need play makers

This - need playmakers...on O, D, and ST.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

This - need playmakers...on O, D, and ST.

T.O where are you

Originally posted by susweel:
srsly f**k that team they purposely injured Ian Williams back in the day on dirty play, and also a cheap shot on Delanie Walker broke his jaw.

Trashed Manninghams knee as well

Originally posted by facestabber:

Originally posted by susweel:
srsly f**k that team they purposely injured Ian Williams back in the day on dirty play, and also a cheap shot on Delanie Walker broke his jaw.

Trashed Manninghams knee as well

Almost got Purcell on the same type of play as when Ian got his leg broken.


Not obvious but was pretty damn close to a chop block on an engaged linemen.