SF 49ers @ CAR Panthers Pregame Thread - 2016 Season Week 2

Originally posted by SoCold:

Just for kicks I looked up the Phi vs Cal game last year.

Car won 27-13

Bradford had 205 yards and a pick sacked 5 times

Cam had 197 yards 1 td 3 picks 20 rush yards 1 rush td sacked once

lol @ Cam throwing 3 picks and still winning by 2 scores

I know Cam is the best. He is so much better than Kap! LOL

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I do...there are a few things that are quite similar. Getting production with out elite WR or QB play by scheme and pace for example and wanting an aggressive defense that gets itself off the field in order to compensate for how often the offense will put them back in play. But the roster set up here is far more encouraging.

Chip asks a lot of his offensive line with the formations he runs, there are fewer max protects, no jumbo packages, he doesn't even keep the TE in all that much. The Eagles line the last few years has been a tragedy, the few talented guys are hurt or suspended and the rest are lunch pail dudes. It is a lot like what we had last year. Compound that with the fact that Bradford and Sanchez are ball holders and bad decision makers pretty often and you had a lot of turn overs and QB hits. We seem to have seen a complete turn around on our line and our right side especially is staffed with men the size of mountains. They can eat up a lot of rushes and Gabbert though flawed in many ways seldom holds the ball too long or makes the wrong read. If we throw picks or give up sacks here it is because we got burned by a speed rusher, an elegantly designed blitz or Gabbert through a duck. That alone is a pretty big change.

Another is Hyde and our other backs. Chips system is no lead back, one cut and go. The Eagles backs after McCoy left town were really ill suited to this. They got stuff a lot because they were either A) used to following blockers or B) lacked lateral vision and movement skills needed to find the hole that opens up on the backside often times on a run that looks to initially be a bust.

On the defensive side of the ball it is more of the same...I think our people are just more suited to what he wants to see. The Eagles often tried to be aggressive and simply failed. Rushes didn't create pressure, Coverage got blown etc when trying to line up in many of the standard looks because they lacked the general athleticism to cover for the guy who would be dropping out to blitz or sliding over to under cut the route in question. The often resorted to a gimmicky wide 9 approach to try to out flank because they had no lateral speed. On the D- line we are clearly enormous and I don't see us being out muscled too often and on every level behind them we have at least one guy with elite smarts and speed in combination like Bowman and Reid cover up some of the errors around them and some interesting athletes like Tartt and Ray Ray that give you some wrinkles that a standard guy at their position doesn't. With ability to cover, chase down from behind and incredible lateral speed.

I am not saying we don't need pieces...or that our first year out of the gate we are going to be amazing, but I already see the appeal of this roster to Kelly and how he likes to play. Many of its strengths were the things that his Eagles teams lacked save for that very first year where if you recall they were quite good and everybody was hailing him as the next big thing.

Thanks for this!! I know as a former Philly resident, it's impossible to live in town and not get a sense about how the Eagles are doing (opposed to Chicago where the Bears can be almost irrelevant when any other sports team is doing well).

The Birds are indeed religion here...at least I am a Flyers fan so it isn't total purgatory, that and a mutual hatred of the Cowboys makes it pretty easy to get along around here.

Sorry I missed that Philly vs Cal game...so seldom do college teams get to test themselves against the NFL!

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I do...there are a few things that are quite similar. Getting production with out elite WR or QB play by scheme and pace for example and wanting an aggressive defense that gets itself off the field in order to compensate for how often the offense will put them back in play. But the roster set up here is far more encouraging.

Chip asks a lot of his offensive line with the formations he runs, there are fewer max protects, no jumbo packages, he doesn't even keep the TE in all that much. The Eagles line the last few years has been a tragedy, the few talented guys are hurt or suspended and the rest are lunch pail dudes. It is a lot like what we had last year. Compound that with the fact that Bradford and Sanchez are ball holders and bad decision makers pretty often and you had a lot of turn overs and QB hits. We seem to have seen a complete turn around on our line and our right side especially is staffed with men the size of mountains. They can eat up a lot of rushes and Gabbert though flawed in many ways seldom holds the ball too long or makes the wrong read. If we throw picks or give up sacks here it is because we got burned by a speed rusher, an elegantly designed blitz or Gabbert through a duck. That alone is a pretty big change.

Another is Hyde and our other backs. Chips system is no lead back, one cut and go. The Eagles backs after McCoy left town were really ill suited to this. They got stuff a lot because they were either A) used to following blockers or B) lacked lateral vision and movement skills needed to find the hole that opens up on the backside often times on a run that looks to initially be a bust.

On the defensive side of the ball it is more of the same...I think our people are just more suited to what he wants to see. The Eagles often tried to be aggressive and simply failed. Rushes didn't create pressure, Coverage got blown etc when trying to line up in many of the standard looks because they lacked the general athleticism to cover for the guy who would be dropping out to blitz or sliding over to under cut the route in question. The often resorted to a gimmicky wide 9 approach to try to out flank because they had no lateral speed. On the D- line we are clearly enormous and I don't see us being out muscled too often and on every level behind them we have at least one guy with elite smarts and speed in combination like Bowman and Reid cover up some of the errors around them and some interesting athletes like Tartt and Ray Ray that give you some wrinkles that a standard guy at their position doesn't. With ability to cover, chase down from behind and incredible lateral speed.

I am not saying we don't need pieces...or that our first year out of the gate we are going to be amazing, but I already see the appeal of this roster to Kelly and how he likes to play. Many of its strengths were the things that his Eagles teams lacked save for that very first year where if you recall they were quite good and everybody was hailing him as the next big thing.

Thanks for this!! I know as a former Philly resident, it's impossible to live in town and not get a sense about how the Eagles are doing (opposed to Chicago where the Bears can be almost irrelevant when any other sports team is doing well).

The Birds are indeed religion here...at least I am a Flyers fan so it isn't total purgatory, that and a mutual hatred of the Cowboys makes it pretty easy to get along around here.

76ers win 2035 NBA title ! Can feel it !

Originally posted by Jamespowers:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I do...there are a few things that are quite similar. Getting production with out elite WR or QB play by scheme and pace for example and wanting an aggressive defense that gets itself off the field in order to compensate for how often the offense will put them back in play. But the roster set up here is far more encouraging.

Chip asks a lot of his offensive line with the formations he runs, there are fewer max protects, no jumbo packages, he doesn't even keep the TE in all that much. The Eagles line the last few years has been a tragedy, the few talented guys are hurt or suspended and the rest are lunch pail dudes. It is a lot like what we had last year. Compound that with the fact that Bradford and Sanchez are ball holders and bad decision makers pretty often and you had a lot of turn overs and QB hits. We seem to have seen a complete turn around on our line and our right side especially is staffed with men the size of mountains. They can eat up a lot of rushes and Gabbert though flawed in many ways seldom holds the ball too long or makes the wrong read. If we throw picks or give up sacks here it is because we got burned by a speed rusher, an elegantly designed blitz or Gabbert through a duck. That alone is a pretty big change.

Another is Hyde and our other backs. Chips system is no lead back, one cut and go. The Eagles backs after McCoy left town were really ill suited to this. They got stuff a lot because they were either A) used to following blockers or B) lacked lateral vision and movement skills needed to find the hole that opens up on the backside often times on a run that looks to initially be a bust.

On the defensive side of the ball it is more of the same...I think our people are just more suited to what he wants to see. The Eagles often tried to be aggressive and simply failed. Rushes didn't create pressure, Coverage got blown etc when trying to line up in many of the standard looks because they lacked the general athleticism to cover for the guy who would be dropping out to blitz or sliding over to under cut the route in question. The often resorted to a gimmicky wide 9 approach to try to out flank because they had no lateral speed. On the D- line we are clearly enormous and I don't see us being out muscled too often and on every level behind them we have at least one guy with elite smarts and speed in combination like Bowman and Reid cover up some of the errors around them and some interesting athletes like Tartt and Ray Ray that give you some wrinkles that a standard guy at their position doesn't. With ability to cover, chase down from behind and incredible lateral speed.

I am not saying we don't need pieces...or that our first year out of the gate we are going to be amazing, but I already see the appeal of this roster to Kelly and how he likes to play. Many of its strengths were the things that his Eagles teams lacked save for that very first year where if you recall they were quite good and everybody was hailing him as the next big thing.

Thanks for this!! I know as a former Philly resident, it's impossible to live in town and not get a sense about how the Eagles are doing (opposed to Chicago where the Bears can be almost irrelevant when any other sports team is doing well).

The Birds are indeed religion here...at least I am a Flyers fan so it isn't total purgatory, that and a mutual hatred of the Cowboys makes it pretty easy to get along around here.

76ers win 2035 NBA title ! Can feel it !

Is that after rebuild number 72 or 73?

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Every team will have a 'screw you' or two in their schedule. Thursday night games ensure this. Remember a few years back when the 49ers had a Sunday game at home, and a Thursday night game in Baltimore? If I remember right I think Alex Smith was sacked like 10 times in that game.

One thing to mention regarding these short weeks. This is where it helps to have a young team. Young bodies recover quicker.

Thanksgiving 2011 AKA HarBowl I

Yup. But ironically it turned out that it didn't matter because we still had home field advantage in 2011 and Jim proved he couldn't beat John even with two weeks to prepare in 2012

CAR gonna get dominated by our D

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Every team will have a 'screw you' or two in their schedule. Thursday night games ensure this. Remember a few years back when the 49ers had a Sunday game at home, and a Thursday night game in Baltimore? If I remember right I think Alex Smith was sacked like 10 times in that game.

One thing to mention regarding these short weeks. This is where it helps to have a young team. Young bodies recover quicker.

Thanksgiving 2011 AKA HarBowl I

Yup. But ironically it turned out that it didn't matter because we still had home field advantage in 2011 and Jim proved he couldn't beat John even with two weeks to prepare in 2012

Yup, one of the earlier plays of the game where Alex stared at Delanie on the deep corner and decided not to throw it.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by Jamespowers:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I do...there are a few things that are quite similar. Getting production with out elite WR or QB play by scheme and pace for example and wanting an aggressive defense that gets itself off the field in order to compensate for how often the offense will put them back in play. But the roster set up here is far more encouraging.

Chip asks a lot of his offensive line with the formations he runs, there are fewer max protects, no jumbo packages, he doesn't even keep the TE in all that much. The Eagles line the last few years has been a tragedy, the few talented guys are hurt or suspended and the rest are lunch pail dudes. It is a lot like what we had last year. Compound that with the fact that Bradford and Sanchez are ball holders and bad decision makers pretty often and you had a lot of turn overs and QB hits. We seem to have seen a complete turn around on our line and our right side especially is staffed with men the size of mountains. They can eat up a lot of rushes and Gabbert though flawed in many ways seldom holds the ball too long or makes the wrong read. If we throw picks or give up sacks here it is because we got burned by a speed rusher, an elegantly designed blitz or Gabbert through a duck. That alone is a pretty big change.

Another is Hyde and our other backs. Chips system is no lead back, one cut and go. The Eagles backs after McCoy left town were really ill suited to this. They got stuff a lot because they were either A) used to following blockers or B) lacked lateral vision and movement skills needed to find the hole that opens up on the backside often times on a run that looks to initially be a bust.

On the defensive side of the ball it is more of the same...I think our people are just more suited to what he wants to see. The Eagles often tried to be aggressive and simply failed. Rushes didn't create pressure, Coverage got blown etc when trying to line up in many of the standard looks because they lacked the general athleticism to cover for the guy who would be dropping out to blitz or sliding over to under cut the route in question. The often resorted to a gimmicky wide 9 approach to try to out flank because they had no lateral speed. On the D- line we are clearly enormous and I don't see us being out muscled too often and on every level behind them we have at least one guy with elite smarts and speed in combination like Bowman and Reid cover up some of the errors around them and some interesting athletes like Tartt and Ray Ray that give you some wrinkles that a standard guy at their position doesn't. With ability to cover, chase down from behind and incredible lateral speed.

I am not saying we don't need pieces...or that our first year out of the gate we are going to be amazing, but I already see the appeal of this roster to Kelly and how he likes to play. Many of its strengths were the things that his Eagles teams lacked save for that very first year where if you recall they were quite good and everybody was hailing him as the next big thing.

Thanks for this!! I know as a former Philly resident, it's impossible to live in town and not get a sense about how the Eagles are doing (opposed to Chicago where the Bears can be almost irrelevant when any other sports team is doing well).

The Birds are indeed religion here...at least I am a Flyers fan so it isn't total purgatory, that and a mutual hatred of the Cowboys makes it pretty easy to get along around here.

76ers win 2035 NBA title ! Can feel it !

Is that after rebuild number 72 or 73?

Prolly.. Iverson's kids will be on the team

Originally posted by Bali-Niner:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

In the Rams pre game thread I predicted we would score 28 points. I got a ouija board. s**t works. I had Gabbert with 2 passing TD's and Hyde with one. Draughn with another. Was close. Ouija board is kinda broken.

This week I think we score 27 points. 1 passing TD from Gabbert, 2 rushing from the RB's, 2 FG's. If our d holds the Panthers under 27 we win.

Cam Newton literally cries like a lost kid and wont talk to the media. Gabbert named best hair in NFL post game and finds the cure for male pattern baldness. Chip Kelly licks lips. Universe ends.

Pretty freakin good man..I'm just loving the positiveness in this thread except for those few whiners who never stop; what a damn treat to read and it's been a long time coming..

These are for the most part very young players, you know the kind that heal and rejuvenate fast; so no more talk joecool about how dog ass tired they gonna be, etc, ad nausa..

Gonna be a hella game, they can win...WEEE CAAAAN DOOOO IIIT...!

Just trying to keep my 20 posts a day going. It's normal.


I know I already posted my simple/generic keys to the game, like Madden commentary, "you have to take that ball, move it down the field and get into the endzone while keeping the other guys from doing the same".

But ya, our secondary will either be clutch or the reason we lose this game. Well, along with our passing game. I think it will be the battle of who can pass the best and who can score off turnovers.

I think both D's will have a similar game plan to stop the run from RB's and QB's.

Panthers are going to try to contain Gabberts run. Force him to beat them via the pocket and I think we will try the same with Cam. They're going to play Gabbert as if he were Kap.

Will Newton have one of his 150 yard passing 2 int games or one of his 300+ yard passing 3TD games? This will be our defenses first real test. Gabbert must aslo play better. Limit mistakes. Throw from a more solid base. Stay calm. Try to be at one with the fast pace of the game.

Fun positivity aside, we dominated the Rams defensively. I'm not sure if we'll do that vs the Panthers, which could limit our offenses opportunities.

If our D cant come up with some turnovers I think we lose this game 28 to 14 or 28 to 17. If our D can come up big again it's all in Gabberts hands, for better or worse. He's going to have to pass well Sunday. He did OK vs some good defenses last year so I know he has it in him. The 2015 Seattle/Cards games werent bad. We need that Gabbert, not the Gabbert we saw vs the Bears/Browns.

Panthers have no legit cornerbacks. If we can dominate at the line again we have a chance to score some points.

Originally posted by TexasDuck:
NFL should be ashamed of themselves for this schedule. Panthers played Thursday, 49ers played Monday. Then have to travel across the country and play an early game on a short week. Pretty ridiculous

niners typically request to play the monday night home game opening weekend.

also, all teams have short weeks now.

Originally posted by NJNiner:
Panthers have no legit cornerbacks. If we can dominate at the line again we have a chance to score some points.

we have no legit wrs or qb lol

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by NJNiner:
Panthers have no legit cornerbacks. If we can dominate at the line again we have a chance to score some points.

we have no legit wrs or qb lol

yes but we can run the ball all day!

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by NJNiner:
Panthers have no legit cornerbacks. If we can dominate at the line again we have a chance to score some points.

we have no legit wrs or qb lol