The John Taylor Appreciation Thread

Originally posted by Eli_23:

Originally posted by NinerGod:

Wtf is going on in here?

BWAKFEST!!!!!!!!

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FREDDIE SOLOMON!!!!

Originally posted by 9moon:
INTERESTTING POST.

I used to post (10 years ago) and chat at this site called MOUTHOFFSOUTH: 49er forum, and we had the same ISSUE with John Taylor.

Was he the best ever #2 WR of all time?

Was he better than John Stallworth, Wes Chandler, Al Toon, Mark Clayton, or Keenan McCardell?

can anyone remember if John Taylor ever dropped a pass??

those were our issues back then??

That's a tough one, and maybe some of us are biased because we are 49er fans. However, what hurts John Taylor is that the #2 receiver in those days was not the number two option. That honor would've gone to Roger Craig/Ricky Watters, Tom Rathman/William Floyd, and Brent Jones. That pecking in order is partially why I believe his numbers aren't as great compared to the others (adjusting for the eras they played in). But when people think about the great plays Hall of Famer John Stallworth made on the big stage, who believes that Taylor wasn't just as capable? This may sound sacrilege to some older fans, but I hold him in higher regard than I hold Dwight Clark.

Originally posted by mojave45:
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FREDDIE SOLOMON!!!!

We should make a thread on "the other guys." The other guys at receiver during that era not named Rice, Clark, Taylor, or Owens.

Freddie Solomon, Mike Wilson, Odessa Turner, Singleton, McCaffrey lol.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

That's a tough one, and maybe some of us are biased because we are 49er fans. However, what hurts John Taylor is that the #2 receiver in those days was not the number two option. That honor would've gone to Roger Craig/Ricky Watters, Tom Rathman/William Floyd, and Brent Jones. That pecking in order is partially why I believe his numbers aren't as great compared to the others (adjusting for the eras they played in). But when people think about the great plays Hall of Famer John Stallworth made on the big stage, who believes that Taylor wasn't just as capable? This may sound sacrilege to some older fans, but I hold him in higher regard than I hold Dwight Clark.

I said it earlier in this post, he was the perfect SE or X Wr in our WCO. He controlled the backside and helped prevent defenses from rolling coverage to the concept side. However, since our WCO was a heavy concept offense he generally was at best third on the team in catches. We were a heavy base personnel team so the concept side usually consisted of a flanker, TE and either a HB or FB. However, JT showed the toughness, route running and run after the catch to be a flanker if necessary.

Another thing nobody mentions is how often Taylor got hurt. He was a walking injury. How is he going to be a #1 receiver on any other team when he can't even handle the few passes he caught without getting hurt in San Francisco?

The reality is he would've been lucky to even be a #4 receiver on any other team. He's one of those guys who comes and goes in a matter of 2-3 years and barely seeing the field or not even making a team if he doesn't wind up in the West Coast Offense, playing opposite Jerry Rice. In fact, as I said, the 49ers were trying to trade him to Tampa Bay for a 10th round pick in 1986 because of how bad he was in camp. Then he got hurt and wound up on IR instead.

Freddie Solomon was just as successful as the split end in this offense, played opposite Dwight Clark and not Jerry Rice, and he was a converted QB and #3/#4 receiver on the Dolphins before the 49ers got him.

Other teams see players like these guys and say, "thanks but no thanks."

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
That's a tough one, and maybe some of us are biased because we are 49er fans. However, what hurts John Taylor is that the #2 receiver in those days was not the number two option. That honor would've gone to Roger Craig/Ricky Watters, Tom Rathman/William Floyd, and Brent Jones. That pecking in order is partially why I believe his numbers aren't as great compared to the others (adjusting for the eras they played in). But when people think about the great plays Hall of Famer John Stallworth made on the big stage, who believes that Taylor wasn't just as capable? This may sound sacrilege to some older fans, but I hold him in higher regard than I hold Dwight Clark.

So you're saying he was the 5th option, but a great #2 WR? Either our coaches were dumb for designing the offense that way, or he wasn't so great.

Punt returner, great blocker, strong and physical...the only TD in the 90NFCCG comes to mind. Back when 60 catches was a lot, I appreciated JT

60 catches was a 3-way tie for 27th in 1989.

Originally posted by Jimbutsu:

So you're saying he was the 5th option, but a great #2 WR? Either our coaches were dumb for designing the offense that way, or he wasn't so great.

This troll attempt has failed and is ridiculous. If you don't understand what role the split end played in the WCO then you don't possess the proper football knowledge to be throwing s**t at Taylor.

Originally posted by Jimbutsu:

60 catches was a 3-way tie for 27th in 1989.

So.....he was 4th in TDs and 10th in yards per catch.

Originally posted by Jimbutsu:

Another thing nobody mentions is how often Taylor got hurt. He was a walking injury. How is he going to be a #1 receiver on any other team when he can't even handle the few passes he caught without getting hurt in San Francisco?

The reality is he would've been lucky to even be a #4 receiver on any other team. He's one of those guys who comes and goes in a matter of 2-3 years and barely seeing the field or not even making a team if he doesn't wind up in the West Coast Offense, playing opposite Jerry Rice. In fact, as I said, the 49ers were trying to trade him to Tampa Bay for a 10th round pick in 1986 because of how bad he was in camp. Then he got hurt and wound up on IR instead.

Freddie Solomon was just as successful as the split end in this offense, played opposite Dwight Clark and not Jerry Rice, and he was a converted QB and #3/#4 receiver on the Dolphins before the 49ers got him.

Other teams see players like these guys and say, "thanks but no thanks."

Love to see a link about that potential trade to Tampa in '86. Also love to see that list of 90-100 guys better than him since in your opinion he was no better than a 4th WR

Update: the OP has been repeatedly asked for links or supporting evidence and has refused to respond. Additionally he avoids answering most comments or deflects the answer.

Consequently I have given him an extended time out. He has been invited to pm the mods with his links and supporting evidence, if it exists, and we will reconsider. In the meantime I think he has just been trolling.

Originally posted by Jimbutsu:
60 catches was a 3-way tie for 27th in 1989.

Seems fine for a #2, Rice had 82 that year. Was the #2 supposed to catch more than Rice?

Has to be trolling :) Well done

Originally posted by Jimbutsu:

60 catches was a 3-way tie for 27th in 1989.

among wr? how many rb ahead of him back when everyone tossed to guys out of the backfield.

your claims are absurd and a flat out insult to jt one ofvthe most productive dynamic niners of all time. you cant posiibly have seen him play for one minute.


its frightening how someone can try to rewrite history by shouting the. loudest in the internet age.