The John Taylor Appreciation Thread

wow. what a preposterous ridiculous thread.

taylor had better hands than rice not worse.

he was much more dangerous in the open field than rice or anyone else on the team.

he was the second best punt returner in modern day nfl behind white shoes.

i have no idea what tape you are looking at but john taylor is not in it.

i am appalled at this hread and see no reason for its exostence

Can't believe anyone dissing JT, Coach Siefert said pound for pound he was the strongest player he ever coached. One of my favorite Niners of all time.

Originally posted by Jimbutsu:

Uh, I was correct. Craig screwed up on the play. Pass was never supposed to go to Taylor. Taylor himself has said this.

Plays are designed to go where the defense gives the opening. Technically Taylor is the secondary read, but I remember seeing Walsh break down the play and he said the idea was attacking that safety. Even if Craig runs the curl/Texas on the nod side it doesn't necessarily preclude it from going Taylor. All Craig was gonna do was occupy that underneath coverage. I've got a feeling cincy would have been looking for the Texas underneath as we ran it a couple times On this drive.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

wow. what a preposterous ridiculous thread.

taylor had better hands than rice not worse.

he was much more dangerous in the open field than rice or anyone else on the team.

he was the second best punt returner in modern day nfl behind white shoes.

i have no idea what tape you are looking at but john taylor is not in it.

i am appalled at this hread and see no reason for its exostence

Just ignore the first post....we've turned it into an appreciation thread for a great niner.

Originally posted by Niners816:
60 catches for a #2 in our WCO was a big number. With Walsh it was usually HB/FB as number catcher, Flanker, TE then secondary WR. It started to change with Holmgren in '89 when it was flanker, FB/HB, #2 and TE. Taylor had 3 100 yard games in '89, that's hardly being invisible for the rest of the year.

You are trying way too hard on this.

The targets went to others because Taylor couldn't get open against single coverage and had unreliable hands. Hence it was up to Rice to beat triple coverage and Craig/Rathman to catch the outlets. It's the reason Moss/Carter and Moss/Welker offenses were putting up 550+ points while Rice, who was better than Moss, was only once on a team that barely put up over 500 points.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
wow. what a preposterous ridiculous thread.

taylor had better hands than rice not worse.

he was much more dangerous in the open field than rice or anyone else on the team.

he was the second best punt returner in modern day nfl behind white shoes.

i have no idea what tape you are looking at but john taylor is not in it.

i am appalled at this hread and see no reason for its exostence

Taylor lost his punt return job to Don Griffin, who wasn't great at it, after 1991, because he wasn't very good at it and was a huge liability to drop or fumble the punt.

2 career return TDs, both in the same year, doesn't make him the second best punt returner. Somewhere, Devin Hester is appalled by this claim.

Rice had way better hands, way better routes, and he was breaking long touchdowns after the catch for decades, while Taylor did it 4 or 5 times in 4 or 5 years.

John Taylor is the reason Rice is the GOAT. DBs quadruple covered Taylor, allowing Rice to roam freely and catch Montana's inaccurate throws.

Originally posted by Jimbutsu:

The targets went to others because Taylor couldn't get open against single coverage and had unreliable hands. Hence it was up to Rice to beat triple coverage and Craig/Rathman to catch the outlets. It's the reason Moss/Carter and Moss/Welker offenses were putting up 550+ points while Rice, who was better than Moss, was only once on a team that barely put up over 500 points.

Keep trolling....it's pretty obvious you never actually watched the dynasty day niners if this is your argument. Trying to compare a 50/50 split WCO that rarely threw the ball more than 500 times to the 600ish attempt 60/40 split passing offenses of today. It's not apples to apples, offenses are watered down nowadays.

Wiki:

"NFL career[edit]
Taylor was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the third round of the 1986 NFL draft with the 76th overall pick. This was ranked by ESPN as the 25th Greatest NFL Draft Steal of all time.[2] Taylor played for the 49ers from 1987 to 1995 and was an exceptional counterpart to Hall of Fame teammate Jerry Rice during that time. He led the National Football League in punt return yards (556) in 1988, and he may be best known for catching the winning 10-yard touchdown pass from Joe Montana during the final seconds of Super Bowl XXIII in 1989.[3] He also set Super Bowl records in the game for longest punt return (45 yards), most punt return yards (56), and highest punt return average (18.7 yards per return).

By the conclusion of the 1988 season, which ended with his famous touchdown catch in the Super Bowl, Taylor had caught just 23 passes in his two years with the 49ers and was mainly used as punt and kick returner. But in the season after his Super Bowl winning touchdown reception, Taylor established himself as one of the top receivers in the NFL. Despite not being the #1 receiver on his team, Taylor finished the 1989 season with 60 receptions for 1,077 yards and ten touchdowns (the fourth most touchdown receptions by a player in the NFL that year). In a Monday night game against the Los Angeles Rams, Taylor scored touchdowns on two receptions of over 90 yards (92 and 96), an NFL first. He also set a record for most receiving yards in back-to-back games with a total of 448, a record he held until November 2006 when Chad Johnson (now Chad Ochocinco) of the Cincinnati Bengals broke it with 450 receiving yards. He broke the 1,000 receiving yard milestone again in the 1991 season with 64 receptions for 1,011 yards and nine touchdowns (ranking him seventh in the NFL). In his nine NFL seasons, Taylor recorded 347 receptions for 5,589 yards (an average of 16.1 yards per catch) and 43 touchdowns. He also gained 1,517 yards and two touchdowns returning punts, and added another 276 yards returning kickoffs. He was selected to play in the NFL Pro Bowl twice, in 1988 and 1989. He also won three super bowl rings in his career with the 49ers, in 1988, 1989, and 1994. His combined total of 94 punt return yards in those three games are the most by any player in Super Bowl history, and his average of 15.7 yards per return is also the highest."

SI:

http://www.si.com/vault/1995/01/30/133160/on-a-roll-john-taylor-the-49ers-other-wide-receiver-quietly-has-bowled-over-the-nfl-now-hes-making-noise-about-taking-on-other-worlds

Bleacher:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/951620-5-snubbed-san-francisco-49ers-who-belong-in-the-hall-of-fame/page/2

YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dz-vHyx9bq3g&usg=AFQjCNETzKsY44tPSHN19p4kgo9UCckOFg

ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/7619/49ers-top-play-2-montana-to-taylor

Fox:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/san-francisco-49ers-john-taylor-los-angeles-rams-tbt-102915

Chicago Tribune:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-12-24/sports/8903210240_1_wide-receiver-john-taylor-george-seifert-jake



Enough. No more trolling. If you want to voice an opinion, produce some evidence to support it.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Just ignore the first post....we've turned it into an appreciation thread for a great niner.

Right! I was dumbfounded once I started reading and realised that it was a dis thread. JT was the man, our team was just super oaded back then. He did his job and did it well without being a cry baby like today's recievers.

Originally posted by English:

Wiki:

"NFL career[edit]
Taylor was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the third round of the 1986 NFL draft with the 76th overall pick. This was ranked by ESPN as the 25th Greatest NFL Draft Steal of all time.[2] Taylor played for the 49ers from 1987 to 1995 and was an exceptional counterpart to Hall of Fame teammate Jerry Rice during that time. He led the National Football League in punt return yards (556) in 1988, and he may be best known for catching the winning 10-yard touchdown pass from Joe Montana during the final seconds of Super Bowl XXIII in 1989.[3] He also set Super Bowl records in the game for longest punt return (45 yards), most punt return yards (56), and highest punt return average (18.7 yards per return).

By the conclusion of the 1988 season, which ended with his famous touchdown catch in the Super Bowl, Taylor had caught just 23 passes in his two years with the 49ers and was mainly used as punt and kick returner. But in the season after his Super Bowl winning touchdown reception, Taylor established himself as one of the top receivers in the NFL. Despite not being the #1 receiver on his team, Taylor finished the 1989 season with 60 receptions for 1,077 yards and ten touchdowns (the fourth most touchdown receptions by a player in the NFL that year). In a Monday night game against the Los Angeles Rams, Taylor scored touchdowns on two receptions of over 90 yards (92 and 96), an NFL first. He also set a record for most receiving yards in back-to-back games with a total of 448, a record he held until November 2006 when Chad Johnson (now Chad Ochocinco) of the Cincinnati Bengals broke it with 450 receiving yards. He broke the 1,000 receiving yard milestone again in the 1991 season with 64 receptions for 1,011 yards and nine touchdowns (ranking him seventh in the NFL). In his nine NFL seasons, Taylor recorded 347 receptions for 5,589 yards (an average of 16.1 yards per catch) and 43 touchdowns. He also gained 1,517 yards and two touchdowns returning punts, and added another 276 yards returning kickoffs. He was selected to play in the NFL Pro Bowl twice, in 1988 and 1989. He also won three super bowl rings in his career with the 49ers, in 1988, 1989, and 1994. His combined total of 94 punt return yards in those three games are the most by any player in Super Bowl history, and his average of 15.7 yards per return is also the highest."

SI:

http://www.si.com/vault/1995/01/30/133160/on-a-roll-john-taylor-the-49ers-other-wide-receiver-quietly-has-bowled-over-the-nfl-now-hes-making-noise-about-taking-on-other-worlds

Bleacher:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/951620-5-snubbed-san-francisco-49ers-who-belong-in-the-hall-of-fame/page/2

YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dz-vHyx9bq3g&usg=AFQjCNETzKsY44tPSHN19p4kgo9UCckOFg

ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/7619/49ers-top-play-2-montana-to-taylor

Fox:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/san-francisco-49ers-john-taylor-los-angeles-rams-tbt-102915

Chicago Tribune:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-12-24/sports/8903210240_1_wide-receiver-john-taylor-george-seifert-jake



Enough. No more trolling. If you want to voice an opinion, produce some evidence to support it.

Taylor was the perfect compliment to Jerry. He played the X or SE receiver position and was vital in helping coverage not get rolled to the conceptside. We where a huge base personnel team for the majority of his career. HB and FB fulfilled the slot WR type roll if you want to compare it to today's 3 wide offenses. Basically Taylor kept the defenses honest on the backside and it shows when they didn't he made them pay with his 16 ypc career ave (it was 18 ypc in '89). With his run after catch skills and toughness he would have been perfect as a slot WR in today's offense. All in all he was greatl at what he did and that was being out X WR in the latter part of our dynasty days.

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Just ignore the first post....we've turned it into an appreciation thread for a great niner.

Right! I was dumbfounded once I started reading and realised that it was a dis thread. JT was the man, our team was just super oaded back then. He did his job and did it well without being a cry baby like today's recievers.

It's just a dumb troll attempt by the OP. I remember his name now, couple months ago I remember him arguing something like Wes Welker is the best because of his catches and going on about how Slot WR are more important than flankers. It was utterly ridiculous stuff. You only hope he's trolling because if not, it displays a complete lack of football knowledge.

The OP is just throwing all these random things out w/o proving one link. No proof or evidence. And English still ain't locked this troll job.

English, I wanted to steal this from your post and embedded it. Gotta love hearing Walsh do the color commentary on that 1991 KC game. I also love that catch because it shows him in more of a slot type wideout position.

Was watching a rebroadcast of the second 49ers vs Bengals SB. After he caught the game winning TD, Dick Enberg said JT sells cars in the off season lol