2016 Team Information (Needs)

New HC, OC, DC, GM, QB, O-LINE, D-LINE & LB

Originally posted by Eli_23:

New HC, OC, DC, GM, QB, O-LINE, D-LINE & LB

No WR? LOL

This got buried in the Baalke thread but having this here might help guide your 2016 Team Needs.

Using dj43's cumulative PFF work, using these cut-offs, here are our current quality NFL starters in (bold) compared to the rest of the NFL in each peer group:

Cut offs:
QB - 32
RB - 48 (Most use a one-back set but do use change-of-pace backs; so I cut it in half)
FB - (Bruce automatically included as a top FB)
C - 32
G - 64
T - 64
TE - 48 (Same concept as RB as only half of the teams use 2 TE's)
WR - 80 (All teams use 2 WR's and half use 3 WR sets; or 4)
CB - 80 (All teams use Nickel/Dime sets with 3 and 4 DB's; some use an extra CB and some a S so I split them)
S - 80 (Same concept as CB)
LB - 48 (Half the teams run a 3-4 and half 4-3 so I split them)
Interior DL - 80 (Same concept as LB)
DE/OLB/Edge Rushers - 64 (All teams use two edge rushers whether that's 2 OLB's in the 3-4 or 2 DE's in the 4-3)

Kyle Nelson
Phil Dawson (URFA)
Bradley Pinion
L.J. McCray (Specialist)

Notes: This was just a nice exercise (by dj43) to see how this young team is stacking up against the rest of the NFL peer groups. The next step will be to compare units. For instance, if we have an OL graded 28, 22, 29, 40 & 8, how does that unit stack up across other NFL OL graded units (starters/top 5 OL)? You'd think we'd now have one of the better OL units if Boone was in for Pears from a PFF perspective (at least). Take PFF grades with a grain-of-salt but it is a fun tool especially from a cumulative perspective where they tend to be a bit more accurate over the long-haul; a tool you can use to start to paint the bigger picture and ID strengths/weaknesses and how we compare to the rest of the NFL. Also, keep in mind that while a player like Torrey Smith is on the fringe of being a quality starter according to PFF, we all know what his presence alone does for the rest of offense as a whole (whether we utilize him enough or not does factor into grading). Also, keep in mind small sample sizes as well...players changing roles (i.e. Carradine). One big issue that we are all aware of is coaching and scheme but that's for another thread as this is central to just personnel on the field as it relates now, to next year's needs.

HC, OC and DC

1. 2 DEs. Our DE's are not starting quality. We need 2 new faces here to start. I don't care who we keep as backups as long as they don't get many snaps. It's sad to see our defense get gashed against the run. Our DEs get manhandled a little too much for me.
2. 2 MLB. One to start the other to be a capable starter in case we get hit by injuries again. Two top athletes here, fast, mean, can cover and fill in the run.
3. 1 WR We need somebody who can get open and catch the ball. I don't think I am asking much here.
4. 1 OLB, 2 if we cut brooks. We still don't have a premier pass rush guy in a 3-4 alignment. This is ridiculous.
5. SS or FS. Pick one, replace taart with a SS who can cover a TE or a RB or replace Reid with a ball hawking type. Both are good against the run, suck in coverage. I'd rather replace reid and keep taart.
6. Guard, tackle and center. If we keep boone, then only a center and tackle. The goal here is for Martin, devey and pears to never see a snap again.
7. QB to challenge gabbert. I expect Gab to win at least next year, but bring somebody in.
8. RB need at least one healthy body, no idea if hyde will become a injury prone person or not.
9. TE. Not sold on bell, need another healthy body. Not concerned unless Celek can't get healthy.


This is the priority order also. Start with replacing the HC, let him hire his staff and prepare for the draft and FA.

Originally posted by fister30:

HC, OC and DC

1. 2 DEs. Our DE's are not starting quality. We need 2 new faces here to start. I don't care who we keep as backups as long as they don't get many snaps. It's sad to see our defense get gashed against the run. Our DEs get manhandled a little too much for me.
2. 2 MLB. One to start the other to be a capable starter in case we get hit by injuries again. Two top athletes here, fast, mean, can cover and fill in the run.
3. 1 WR We need somebody who can get open and catch the ball. I don't think I am asking much here.
4. 1 OLB, 2 if we cut brooks. We still don't have a premier pass rush guy in a 3-4 alignment. This is ridiculous.
5. SS or FS. Pick one, replace taart with a SS who can cover a TE or a RB or replace Reid with a ball hawking type. Both are good against the run, suck in coverage. I'd rather replace reid and keep taart.
6. Guard, tackle and center. If we keep boone, then only a center and tackle. The goal here is for Martin, devey and pears to never see a snap again.
7. QB to challenge gabbert. I expect Gab to win at least next year, but bring somebody in.
8. RB need at least one healthy body, no idea if hyde will become a injury prone person or not.
9. TE. Not sold on bell, need another healthy body. Not concerned unless Celek can't get healthy.


This is the priority order also. Start with replacing the HC, let him hire his staff and prepare for the draft and FA.

Really like it, man. Sort of matches up with the grades above too and our holes and upgrades needed. And you're right, it starts with the new HC, whether this year or next at the latest.

Originally posted by fister30:

HC, OC and DC

1. 2 DEs. Our DE's are not starting quality. We need 2 new faces here to start. I don't care who we keep as backups as long as they don't get many snaps. It's sad to see our defense get gashed against the run. Our DEs get manhandled a little too much for me.
2. 2 MLB. One to start the other to be a capable starter in case we get hit by injuries again. Two top athletes here, fast, mean, can cover and fill in the run.
3. 1 WR We need somebody who can get open and catch the ball. I don't think I am asking much here.
4. 1 OLB, 2 if we cut brooks. We still don't have a premier pass rush guy in a 3-4 alignment. This is ridiculous.
5. SS or FS. Pick one, replace taart with a SS who can cover a TE or a RB or replace Reid with a ball hawking type. Both are good against the run, suck in coverage. I'd rather replace reid and keep taart.
6. Guard, tackle and center. If we keep boone, then only a center and tackle. The goal here is for Martin, devey and pears to never see a snap again.
7. QB to challenge gabbert. I expect Gab to win at least next year, but bring somebody in.
8. RB need at least one healthy body, no idea if hyde will become a injury prone person or not.
9. TE. Not sold on bell, need another healthy body. Not concerned unless Celek can't get healthy.


This is the priority order also. Start with replacing the HC, let him hire his staff and prepare for the draft and FA.

I can't agree with a number of areas, but agree with overall needs. My order is:
OLB

1. OLB
2. OG
3. OT
4. ILB
5. WR

This is based on the need for impact players and protecting the QB.

Originally posted by blm7754:
Top tier needs.... competent coordinators. Tomsula will likely be back next year. He can win supporters by hiring a decent OC and DC.

Chryst is a terrible play caller. He's decent in terms of overall philosophy, but doesn't call good plays for the down and distance. He's too bent on being unpredictable.

Mangini is also too bent on being unpredictable. He does a decent job of disguising coverages and making QBs really think, but when you can't generate a pass rush the coverage inevitably will fail. More damning is the piss poor run defense. There is just no excuse for this.


After that, our needs are as follows:

DE/OLB/ILB - We just need to add a stud to the front 7. We lost P. Willis and A. Smith. We need a stud that offenses have to account for. Someone who can bring a pass rush and stop the run.

OT - A. Davis will probably return. But Staley is aging and Boone is a FA. We need someone who can play OT. My ideal scenario would be to draft a RT early. Move A. Davis to RG. Retain Boone as LG.

OC - Kilgore is better than Martin, but even he was never great. I'd prefer to go for a veteran here. We need someone powerful who can recognize blitzes and stunts and call out the right protections.

WR - I like Smith and Patton, but we need a big bodied possession receiver that can take over for Boldin.

Originally posted by blm7754:
Top tier needs.... competent coordinators. Tomsula will likely be back next year. He can win supporters by hiring a decent OC and DC.

Chryst is a terrible play caller. He's decent in terms of overall philosophy, but doesn't call good plays for the down and distance. He's too bent on being unpredictable.

Mangini is also too bent on being unpredictable. He does a decent job of disguising coverages and making QBs really think, but when you can't generate a pass rush the coverage inevitably will fail. More damning is the piss poor run defense. There is just no excuse for this.


After that, our needs are as follows:

DE/OLB/ILB - We just need to add a stud to the front 7. We lost P. Willis and A. Smith. We need a stud that offenses have to account for. Someone who can bring a pass rush and stop the run.

OT - A. Davis will probably return. But Staley is aging and Boone is a FA. We need someone who can play OT. My ideal scenario would be to draft a RT early. Move A. Davis to RG. Retain Boone as LG.

OC - Kilgore is better than Martin, but even he was never great. I'd prefer to go for a veteran here. We need someone powerful who can recognize blitzes and stunts and call out the right protections.

WR - I like Smith and Patton, but we need a big bodied possession receiver that can take over for Boldin.

I think you have to press for unpredictable when your players don't execute. Get better players and the coordinators will look a lot better. I think the priority has to be the O and D lines. A high pick on a QB would be a waste because he won't play well if he's getting killed.

Assuming AD comes back,

1. LG
2. C
3. RG
4. QB
5. DL
6. OLB
7. RB
8. ILB
9. K
10. another QB

There is a general consensus, varies amongst different posters, but both lines need fixing, and OL is way worse than DL....altho we need the aldon-like OLB passrusher. Let's just finesse the Qb for the moment.

But the overarching thing that sticks out is Jed. He fidddle faddled around last yr, and ended up with el zippo, aka , the big nothing at HC. Two very mediocre coaches at OC and DC. And why? Because he was uncertain what to do and ultimately did nothing in a timely fashion. Therefore i would suggest one of the biggest team needs is for Jed to either get the
Fukc out of the way, or fire tomsula 1 minute after the final minute of the final game. Fire 'em all. And then immediately start going down the list of desirable OCs to fill the HC/OC positions, and to get that interviewing process out of the way as soon as possible. Jed burned a lot of time last yr, undecided, screwing around, and the result was we got the 8th and hind teat in a nine dog litter. If he works that kind of magic again this yr, the 49er franchise will be over for half the next decade. Jed must know now if he fires tomsula or not. IF he keeps trent or not. Only a fool would keep tomsula. He has the support of no one on the team that i can see, and is recognized for what he is... a DL coach.

Tomsula's interviews that some of us said, "oh, that's ok. The guy knows the DL and we hope the D. He'll get a decent OC. " Well, that failed. He was what you saw on the lectern. So, no matter how you slice it, tomsula goes. Trent? I think that would be a really tough firing for jed, and don't think he will do it. So, that means that with trent he starts the intelligent and obvious thing, interviewing all the desirable OCs. But he has to offer the HC slot also or we can't be interviewing OCs for a lateral move.

Timing: As noted above, JEd killed us last yr not making decisions in a timely fashion. Our greatest team need this yr is for jed to get the lead out and be at the forefront of hiring the best OC out there , but hiring him as OC/HC. Then let the new HC choose his own guys, but do it early.

Oline Oline Oline!

Most important unit on the field in football and ours blows.

Per PFF, here are our 2016 Team Needs by position-groups:

Using your terrific summary on a postage stamp, so it can all be seen at once(which is very helpful to get an overview), funny how kilgore stands out. On a close to worst in the league (30 or 31st) OL, it is blatantly obvious we need to buy pouncey or Mack, both of whom are up for raffle. Being a health question with martin in the wings is to me, anyway,
what was the #1 weakness in a horrid line....on a horrid team. Good news is there are 2 very qualified guys for sale, and we have to afford one or the other. No drafting a C even if he is the best guy in the entire draft. We need a C who is instantly ready. Of the two, i would take which ever has the best health record.

The other thing that stands out is the DL...3 quality guys plus purcell. And nothing. We have to fix that, and is why i would like to see trent bundle 5s, 6s and 7s for 4s and then bundle those for 3s and then those for extra 2s if possible and then bundle again for an extra rd 1 plus extra rd 2, and then call that our draft. We need the best OT for sure and
LT would be best. Ideally if we could scrape a pair of 1s and a pair of twos, we could get the OT, DT, and with luck, the OLB passrusher. If we had an extra #2 prob would go for ILB if a guaranteed starter, vs another OL. We would need to buy an OG in addition to the Center. We could do both those.

Whether there is a starting OLB passrusher, i don''t know, but if so we should do whatever needed to move up and get him. This is the yr we better be not moving down or i will vomit. 4 starters from the draft , plus C and OG in FA, and if a von miller comes available, buy him . If AD happens to return, great, we got a rotation ,which would include Brown. Adios martin, pears, and devey. Teller could be rotational starter.

That is what i see from your neat composite list, NC. QB? bring iin 15-20 UDFA qbs AFTER hiring the best QB coach in college or NFL preferabaly. Hope for a miracle and don't be disappointed if none of the UDFA QBS make it. There are over 150 Qbs graduated every yr, incl jr college, and it is a fact that real, true-blood QB coaches are as rare as hen's teeth. Sean payton, bellichek, are two that come to mind. But there are others, and we need to find that guy, somewhere. Cal has produced two pistols, and there have to be others. Just takes some work and hunting. If a good UDFA Qb is found for development, then there you go, and hope blaine bridges for us in 2016, this yr. But trent is going to have to , for the first time, produce quality(ie starters) not quantity( developmental projects)....and that needs to be 4 (four) starters. Obviously none of this works if we still have the big zero as HC.

HEAD COACH, OC, DC, EVERYONE ELSE!!!

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
HEAD COACH, OC, DC, EVERYONE ELSE!!!

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Using your terrific summary on a postage stamp, so it can all be seen at once(which is very helpful to get an overview), funny how kilgore stands out. On a close to worst in the league (30 or 31st) OL, it is blatantly obvious we need to buy pouncey or Mack, both of whom are up for raffle. Being a health question with martin in the wings is to me, anyway,
what was the #1 weakness in a horrid line....on a horrid team. Good news is there are 2 very qualified guys for sale, and we have to afford one or the other. No drafting a C even if he is the best guy in the entire draft. We need a C who is instantly ready. Of the two, i would take which ever has the best health record.

The other thing that stands out is the DL...3 quality guys plus purcell. And nothing. We have to fix that, and is why i would like to see trent bundle 5s, 6s and 7s for 4s and then bundle those for 3s and then those for extra 2s if possible and then bundle again for an extra rd 1 plus extra rd 2, and then call that our draft. We need the best OT for sure and
LT would be best. Ideally if we could scrape a pair of 1s and a pair of twos, we could get the OT, DT, and with luck, the OLB passrusher. If we had an extra #2 prob would go for ILB if a guaranteed starter, vs another OL. We would need to buy an OG in addition to the Center. We could do both those.

Whether there is a starting OLB passrusher, i don''t know, but if so we should do whatever needed to move up and get him. This is the yr we better be not moving down or i will vomit. 4 starters from the draft , plus C and OG in FA, and if a von miller comes available, buy him . If AD happens to return, great, we got a rotation ,which would include Brown. Adios martin, pears, and devey. Teller could be rotational starter.

That is what i see from your neat composite list, NC. QB? bring iin 15-20 UDFA qbs AFTER hiring the best QB coach in college or NFL preferabaly. Hope for a miracle and don't be disappointed if none of the UDFA QBS make it. There are over 150 Qbs graduated every yr, incl jr college, and it is a fact that real, true-blood QB coaches are as rare as hen's teeth. Sean payton, bellichek, are two that come to mind. But there are others, and we need to find that guy, somewhere. Cal has produced two pistols, and there have to be others. Just takes some work and hunting. If a good UDFA Qb is found for development, then there you go, and hope blaine bridges for us in 2016, this yr. But trent is going to have to , for the first time, produce quality(ie starters) not quantity( developmental projects)....and that needs to be 4 (four) starters. Obviously none of this works if we still have the big zero as HC.

So sorry about the tiny pic of needs. It's perfectly fine on a computer but micro on my phone. But glad you were still able to read it!

As to Kilgore, yeah 28 right now coming back and with a small sample size. My guess he's a top 15 middle of the road C so yeah, he needs an upgrade or big push from a top C FA. His weakness has always been strength. I like what Baalke did last time...went out and grabbed Jonathan Goodwin. Do something like that again and draft another.

I think you've nailed the key needs...OLB, DE, OL, QB, etc. I like your take on the QB. If there isn't one with more upside than Gabbert and knowing is going to take anotes early declaring QB 2 years to develop enough to step out on the field, do what Baalke does...go get a veteran QB and take that developmental QB and throw some competition his way via the UDFA pool plus Thompson. See who sticks.