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Originally posted by iLL49er:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by iLL49er:
i'm sorry but the what i saw from gabbert yesterday was horrendous until the last run he had and that pass to torrey..........

now if he shows marked improvement the next 4 games maybe he is a place holder at qb


I think Horrendous is a bit harsh. I didn't say he played great. I said he was unspectacular.

You can say it was rough before the run and the pass to Torrey...but why do that? He made that run and he threw that pass to Torrey. Judge the entire performance, not just the plays that fit your argument.

i am judging the whole performance..it was bad....the offense was so painful to watch for 3.8qtrs of football

i see a lot of positives from the defense and gabby can thank them for keeping him in games because the guy checks down faster than alex smith ever did

i'm open to him being a placeholder i guess but i'd like to draft a qb to groom

So you discredit bears defense of doing a good job, not even Rodgers could beat them last
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
1) Gabbert: Starting to think that all those people who laughed at the 49ers for trading a 6 to Jacksonville for Gabbert aren't laughing anymore. I mean seriously...just wondering...if the 49ers put him on the block right now (assuming the trade window was still open), what could they expect to get in return?

Another solid but unspectacular game...and to be honest that's just fine. I'm not looking for Gabbert to be great. I'm looking for him to be a serviceable backup in the future. Is he Steve Deberg? A placeholder before the new guy? Is he Jim Plunkett? The bust who reclaims his career and goes on to be a Super Bowl Champion? Is he neither? Right now...I have no clue. I won't pretend otherwise. I keep thinking THIS is the week he reverts back to form...but then it doesn't happen.

Steve Young


?

I meant Steve DeBerg.

Steve had a rough time in Tampa, but he was NEVER as reviled as Gabbert.

The Steve DeBerg comparison is about being the 49ers QB before Montana and the Broncos QB before Elway. He was always the guy before THE guy.

hes not Deberg or Plunkett, hes Young

I'm fine with winning in this circumstance.

First off, I'm not entranced with Goff or Lynch. And it seems like scouts are going on more and more about how weak this QB class is.

Having said that, if we won today because Gabbert went 20/42 156 yards 1-2 6yds rushing, but Ellington ran back a punt and KR... I'd be pissed. I care a lot less about draft position, though, when the core of a team is building and not looking like a duct taped erector set. I'm fine if lower draft position is balanced out by a building core of talent.

McDonald.

Hodges played better than you described, imo. Had that nice TFL along with drawing a penalty. And it seemed like the announcers were regularly bringing up his name.

Tartt's tackle was retarded. It looked cool. But when we have a history of drawing questionable unnecessary roughness calls, don't highlight your hits with a neon yellow marker. It's simple the way things are in today's NFL.

Any comments on the coaching, Marvin?
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by mojave45:
Gabbert keeps playing and doesnt crap the bed, he should at least come into training camp as the guy to beat. No way the job gets given to Kaepernick even if we keep him, which is a horrible ides, imho. Last preseason Kaep looked bad, and Gabbert looked good. In real games this yera Kaep looked bad and Gabbert looks better. Even if we drafted Goff, he wouldn't be a starter in this league, first he isn't that good, and second starting rookie QB's is generally a horrible idea and a good way to ruin their careers.


In regards to Goff, I'm curious why you think he wouldn't be a starter unless you only mean in year 1.

As for early on...I could see Gabbert getting the nod until he was ready...but that of course likely won't happen now because I have a feeling they'll be dropping out of the top 10 after they beat Cleveland.

I just don't think that if team drafts a QB in the top 5 they'll let him sit for a year....most teams are pretty bad when drafting that early and are usually forced to play their developmental QB wayyyy to early for whatever reason. I mean we hear teams say that at the beginning of the year all the time, but that almost never happens.

IMO I don't think any QB in this draft is a stud, they all are going to require a lot of work and I don't see how dropping a early 1st for one helps this team? I'd rather build around Blaine and at the very least give him some help now.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I want a QB in the draft as well...just don't want them to reach for one if they fall out of the top 10. That's how guys like Jake Locker and Christian Ponder get drafted in the top of the 1st round.

totally agree
Why no mentioned of the ST. It was pretty stellar yesterday, especially late in the game
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Dec 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM ]
Good post, Marvin.

Is a Kap vs Gabbert qb battle better than drafting a qb this year? That is a resounding yes. We won't get Goff. Also, Goff and Lynch aren't exactly the "can't miss" guy Peyton or Luck were (I know that guys like Leaf are "can't miss" also). Drafting a qb is a crap shoot as we all know.

If Kap agrees to a lower number (I don't think he will) I wouldn't mind seeing him come back and let these guys battle for the starting job. Nothing more to motivate a man then someone trying to take his job.
Originally posted by iLL49er:
i am judging the whole performance..it was bad....the offense was so painful to watch for 3.8qtrs of football

i see a lot of positives from the defense and gabby can thank them for keeping him in games because the guy checks down faster than alex smith ever did

i'm open to him being a placeholder i guess but i'd like to draft a qb to groom

He was taken what was given. We know Vic is a good DC and they have the #2 ranked pass D. Didn't look like a check down at the end though

Would you still be complaining if he threw for 350 yards and 2 TDs and they lost? Oh and that D gave up over 170 yards rushing and Leomonhead will never have a easier dropped INT in his life lol. Also if you take away Blaine's rushing SF had 46 yards against the 29th ranked rush D...god awful!

You can call him captain check down but he won that game basically on his own.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
1) Gabbert: Starting to think that all those people who laughed at the 49ers for trading a 6 to Jacksonville for Gabbert aren't laughing anymore. I mean seriously...just wondering...if the 49ers put him on the block right now (assuming the trade window was still open), what could they expect to get in return?
I'm just guessing, but I'd think they could fetch a day 2 pick, this or next year. I'd have to think that his contract makes him a very interesting asset as well.





9) Kap: So I see just before the game that Kap has met with management and that they are both open to a return next year. Yeah. Right. I'm sorry...I don't buy it. To me, it's one of three things. It could be that they are simply trying to create the illusion that they have no intent to release him to prevent teams form simply waiting till he's a free agent to make a play. It could be that they realize it's possible he won't pass his physical before April 1st and if they'll have to pay him anyway next year they might as well give him a shot to get his job back. Finally, it could be that they are interested in bringing him back, but not at the number he's scheduled to make and if that number goes down it might also make him easier to trade...although I don't know why he'd do that when he could just leave the contract as is and control where he goes.

Maybe they don't know if they can get another guy in the draft and are hedging their bets.

Who knows, but my guess is that Kap has played his final down and all we are hearing now is damage control in one form or another.

I don't think there's any way Kap will be a 49er next season with the same contract. Assuming the reports are accurate, I think Kap's injury forced the issue of that April 1 deadline. This recent meeting is probably more like Baalke's last dinner with Alex Smith: what do you want to do (so you won't activate the 2016 salary)? I'd assume that Kap wants to be a FA, though I suppose the advantage of colluding with Baalke is that he can preset the terms of his next contract and pick out preferred teams (with the fall back of coming back to compete).




10) Draft position: One of the worst feelings while watching your favorite team play a game. Teams makes a great play at the end and you want to be happy but simultaneously realize that one play could cost you a QB to take you into the next decade. With that win and Cleveland next on the schedule, the 49ers may have just lost any chance at Lynch or Goff. Maybe it all works out in the end. Maybe they don't need one of those guys. Maybe those guys end up sucking anyway. Maybe they fall to the Niners anyway. Who knows what's gonna happen...

...but I HATE that feeling of wanting to be happy with the result but understanding what it might mean in the grand scheme.

I know what you mean. Robbie Gould done messed up.

As long as Gab trends upwards and Kap gets a more modest deal, then I feel somewhat confident about offseason personnel moves. Maybe Kap can be a deal sweetener to get Chip to flip 1sts with us (so we can get Goff)?
Or maybe that All-American, big-armed, and cheap Gab would look enticing enough for the Brows to flip 1sts with us.
Or at least have packages centered around flipping 1sts and moving a QB.

Or maybe Goff isn't a top 10 pick, so we can move up for another stud or stand pat and take Goff/whoever.
[ Edited by zonkers on Dec 7, 2015 at 11:42 AM ]
We need pass rushers badly on this defense. All we got is Lynch and he's up and down. Harold has flashed nothing, Lemonier just isn't good, and Brooks is done unless he's getting a penalty. Heavy focus on pass rushers this off season is needed. And htey need more than 1 guy.
Originally posted by lamontb:
We need pass rushers badly on this defense. All we got is Lynch and he's up and down. Harold has flashed nothing, Lemonier just isn't good, and Brooks is done unless he's getting a penalty. Heavy focus on pass rushers this off season is needed. And htey need more than 1 guy.

Aside from FA (Irvin?) and draft, I'm hoping Tank does his cardio. It'd be nice seeing that explosion off the edge.
Originally posted by lamontb:
We need pass rushers badly on this defense. All we got is Lynch and he's up and down. Harold has flashed nothing, Lemonier just isn't good, and Brooks is done unless he's getting a penalty. Heavy focus on pass rushers this off season is needed. And htey need more than 1 guy.

Agreed.

Be it through the draft or Free Agency, they needs to get Lynch more help.
I'm starting to believe that Gabbert could become a good QB in the NFL. The third down efficiency still needs improvement, but here are some things to consider:

1) Consider the talent around him. Hyde is hurt, all three TEs are unproven (2 are hurt). Boldin is old and slow (still an asset, but not a #1), Torrey is majorly a deep threat. Not to mention the OL is terrible. All that considered, he's sitting here at 2-2 with an 89.5 rating.

2) Consider the opponents he's faced. All four teams have a top 10 pass D. He's playing consistent, and is in control of the offense. Atlanta has fallen off as of late, but Seattle's got the legion, AZ has a great secondary, and Chicago has Fangio coaching, and he just got done making Rodgers look bad for the 5th time.

I'm not saying he will be an elite QB, but right now, he's looking a lot more like a starting NFL QB than a back up.

What I am hoping happens is that Baalke, or whoever is GM, does not spend the top pick on a QB, and instead, goes with the top OL, WR, or Pass Rusher. Then grab a QB in the 2nd or third, and let him sit a couple years.

Of course, this is all assuming Gabbert doesn't fall on his face to close out the year. I just don't see it happening. I actually see the opposite. The opponents we play are not nearly as good on D as the last few. I could jynx him by saying it, but I could see him putting up some big numbers against Cleveland and Detroit.
Originally posted by lamontb:
We need pass rushers badly on this defense. All we got is Lynch and he's up and down. Harold has flashed nothing, Lemonier just isn't good, and Brooks is done unless he's getting a penalty. Heavy focus on pass rushers this off season is needed. And htey need more than 1 guy.

Agreed. With all the extra cash, I would love to see them at least make attempts at Von Miller or Irvin. Miller would have a bigger impact, but stealing Irvin from Seattle is always a bonus
Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
Originally posted by lamontb:
We need pass rushers badly on this defense. All we got is Lynch and he's up and down. Harold has flashed nothing, Lemonier just isn't good, and Brooks is done unless he's getting a penalty. Heavy focus on pass rushers this off season is needed. And htey need more than 1 guy.

Agreed. With all the extra cash, I would love to see them at least make attempts at Von Miller or Irvin. Miller would have a bigger impact, but stealing Irvin from Seattle is always a bonus


I can't imagine Von Miller leaving Denver.
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