Start Gabbert?

Not to crap on Gabbert but if the team decides to move on from Kaepernick and go with Gabbert, I would feel like this team hit rock bottom.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Not to crap on Gabbert but if the team decides to move on from Kaepernick and go with Gabbert, I would feel like this team hit rock bottom.

It's gonna happen sooner or later. This O-line is gonna get Kap hurt

Unhh, no, Steve , but i see where this is going. You quite obviously are a kap diehard and i have no answer to that. That is your choice and i respect that. At the time of alex, i assure you he NEVER had an OL and he just got pasted. Kap, however, has had an OL and made use of it in 2012, but the last year and a half, with an OL, he regressed. Different situation. FYI, i am a 9er, thru and thru, and i back my team, my Qb. When the Qb no longer can do it, then it is time to see if someone else can. Once alex had the OL he played well, up until the concussion, and harbaw had kap take over. Different situation, Steve, different situation. Kap backslid, and can't play with no OL. I don't blame him. I am curious, however, if gab can do any better. And no, i am not a fan of gabs. I was against him coming here. But once here, our Qb is now shaken, inconsistent, and has played substandard football. Let's give the other guy a shot. That is all i am saying.

It is that simple, no hating of one guy over the other. Now with NO OL, kap can't succeed. It is more than passing strange that fans, like yourself are so attached to one Qb, Kap, that you aren't interested in the good of the team overall. Just an opinion, but nobody can say kap hasn't gone backwards...and continues to do so. He isn't our future, and no i don't think gab is. Our future is a guy none of us knows as of yet. I would like to know if gab can help put a better product out there than kap can, because, 4 of the last 5 games, were shockingly horrid. We need a bridge Qb. Kap is NOT the franchise Qb folks thot. That's ok, but let's move on and try to get better. Kap diehards...I understand. He's your man. I can't argue that. Sorry i didn't realize you were in Kap's camp. I don't argue that, because if he's your favorite, then there can't be a winning discussion. ,

Absolutely 100%!!!!! If kaep gets hurt he gets garenteed money. Sit his ass down and release or trade him.

Just ask yourself if Bill Walsh would bench Kaep and give Gabbert a shot. Hell he would have done it by week 3 or 4 lol.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I told you I would answer your original question but I am just so fascinated by the fact that this EXACT situation happened in 2010 with Alex Smith, and according to your self admission (which has been verified by Kolohe), you were on the complete opposite side of the argument back then. Obviously, your opinions on the two almost identical situations were swayed by your love for one QB and your dislike for the other. There is absolutely no other way to explain it.

Its very close to being the exact situation, the biggest difference is Gabbert has NFL talent that has showed at times, Carr was a noodle armed fool who couldnt complete the simplest of passes. Also Alex is better than Kap at everything other than "big" plays.

Originally posted by jeremy300:
Its very close to being the exact situation, the biggest difference is Gabbert has NFL talent that has showed at times, Carr was a noodle armed fool who couldnt complete the simplest of passes. Also Alex is better than Kap at everything other than "big" plays.

This is not my attempt to compare Kap and Alex in the slightest bit aside from them both underperforming in similar situations. Skillset has nothing to do with me bringing it up.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Unhh, no, Steve , but i see where this is going. You quite obviously are a kap diehard and i have no answer to that. That is your choice and i respect that. At the time of alex, i assure you he NEVER had an OL and he just got pasted. Kap, however, has had an OL and made use of it in 2012, but the last year and a half, with an OL, he regressed. Different situation. FYI, i am a 9er, thru and thru, and i back my team, my Qb. When the Qb no longer can do it, then it is time to see if someone else can. Once alex had the OL he played well, up until the concussion, and harbaw had kap take over. Different situation, Steve, different situation. Kap backslid, and can't play with no OL. I don't blame him. I am curious, however, if gab can do any better. And no, i am not a fan of gabs. I was against him coming here. But once here, our Qb is now shaken, inconsistent, and has played substandard football. Let's give the other guy a shot. That is all i am saying.

It is that simple, no hating of one guy over the other. Now with NO OL, kap can't succeed. It is more than passing strange that fans, like yourself are so attached to one Qb, Kap, that you aren't interested in the good of the team overall. Just an opinion, but nobody can say kap hasn't gone backwards...and continues to do so. He isn't our future, and no i don't think gab is. Our future is a guy none of us knows as of yet. I would like to know if gab can help put a better product out there than kap can, because, 4 of the last 5 games, were shockingly horrid. We need a bridge Qb. Kap is NOT the franchise Qb folks thot. That's ok, but let's move on and try to get better. Kap diehards...I understand. He's your man. I can't argue that. Sorry i didn't realize you were in Kap's camp. I don't argue that, because if he's your favorite, then there can't be a winning discussion. ,

First off, you are absolutely incorrect that I am a Kap die hard fan. I don't even really like the guy, and believe that he should not be our QB in 2016. So any conclusion you think you are drawing from thinking I am a die hard Kap fan couldn't be further from the truth. I am not a fan of his. I will root for him because he is the QB of my team, but I wouldn't shed a tear if he was replaced.

With that being said, I have now read this post 6 times, and all I am still failing to see how there is any difference whatsoever with Kap now and Alex in 2010 when fans were advocating Carr. No difference. Terrible offensive line, very subpar QB play. Period. You are making this out to be far more complex than it is. It has nothing to do with Kap's regression. It has nothing to do with Alex playing well up until the concussion. It simply has to do with the fact that neither QB is/was getting the job done and fans calling for their backups. Only this time, you are hoping the backup should play where as last time you were wholeheartedly against it.

You claim that you are simply curious of Gabbert can do better. Well why were you not curious if Carr could do better? Again, the two backups are in the EXACT same situation (which is what makes this so fascinating). Carr was a high pick and beaten down from playing with a terrible team and OLine in Houston. Gabbert was a high pick and beaten down from playing with a terrible team and OLine in Jacksonville.

The two situations are nearly identical for both the starting QBs and the backups, yet you refuse to see this. I don't get it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is not my attempt to compare Kap and Alex in the slightest bit aside from them both underperforming in similar situations. Skillset has nothing to do with me bringing it up.

Skill set has to be brought into the conversation when talking about why someone wanted one benched and not the other. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a homer of either lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
so if he goes out and blows it, are you still gonna blame the QB for the team being so bad....or are you gonna realize no QB is gonna play well behind that line

I'm not "blaming" Kap in isolation. There are significant problems on the OL. But Kap is also not doing the small things that would help the OL, either. I want to see if Gabbert can do those things - timed passes, proper footwork in the pocket, being decisive when there is pass protection, throwing it away to eliminate some sacks. All of these are things that Kap is struggling with outside of when the OL screws up.

I also would like to see Tiller play all snaps at RG, for example. That doesn't mean every play is Devey's fault, right?

Originally posted by Furlow:
Just ask yourself if Bill Walsh would bench Kaep and give Gabbert a shot. Hell he would have done it by week 3 or 4 lol.

Yes.... The thing is people are treating this like this is the first 7 games hes regressed. He looked bad last year also. He has been mediocre for almost a season and half. He just looks particularly bad now.

Steve, my mistake for thinking you were a kap diehard. You also are mistaken, in that i never considered Carr taking over for alex, because Carr just wasn't starting material. I saw zippo future in him. Ok, you say gab isn't either. I agree he sure wasn't in Jax, but he has had his attempt at a career makeover...here, of all places, and this PS showed us he could get the ball gone quickly....exactly what we need with an OL that can't block. Therefore, i find it odd that you have absolutely no interest in seeing if one qb might just be able to do what the other can't. In Carr's case, he wasn't even in the discussion. Just my opinion, but i don't think anyone had any interest in seeing what carr had. Here, there is interest in seeing if, perhaps, gab can play better with no OL than kap. It doesn't get more simple than that.

I see what you are saying, i just disagree with you and am amazed you aren't interested in seeing if we can improve, even slightly , the level of Qb play with a guy who showed a glimmer this PS of getting the ball out quickly. .

With that i will sign off as i have no more to add. Looks like you will have the last word.

And Kolohe, I am impressed you can remember that well, that far back. I did add one thing tho. I said then that before judging alex, give him an OL...and also an OC. Seems we have reverted to bad times past. Not knocking Geep, as he has no OL to work with and that is ugly. He COULD, however, coach around it with nothing but 3-5 yd passes, all gone in under 1.8 seconds. Haven't seen much of that either, along with no OL pass blocking.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Just ask yourself if Bill Walsh would bench Kaep and give Gabbert a shot. Hell he would have done it by week 3 or 4 lol.

Yes.... The thing is people are treating this like this is the first 7 games hes regressed. He looked bad last year also. He has been mediocre for almost a season and half. He just looks particularly bad now.

So he's having a better year than Cam Newton and Kap the problem? I don't think so!

Originally posted by Furlow:
Just ask yourself if Bill Walsh would bench Kaep and give Gabbert a shot. Hell he would have done it by week 3 or 4 lol.

It never would have gotten that far, by far. Walsh Did have Kaep, in the form of Steve DeBerg. Walsh's offense was built on the quarterback reading the defense to adjust his called play, and reacting accordingly. DeBerg couldn't make that accurate adjustment. When he benched DeBerg, and threw the dice with an unproven youngster warming the bench for 1 1/2 years named Joe SomethingOrOther, he said of DeBerg, "he plays just good enough to get you beat". Well ....

To what end? Because he looked ok in the preseason against backups and grocery baggers? He's not going to improve the situation and maybe Kap won't either but the team needs to use the remaining games to see if Kap is worth all the money he could be owed. Personally I think his confidence is gone and he needs a coach who will help him regain it. I don't think there is one on the current staff either.

We all know that major changes need to be made from the top on down but at this point, with the crap that Jed has pulled, who is going to want to come to a disfunctional franchise that mishandles absolutely everything. That would be like remarrying an ex-wife!