Start Gabbert?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by captveg:
Kap w/ 8 incompletions in 13 attempts vs. Gabbert w/ 5 incompletions in 28 attempts. Pretty much how I remembered it.

Yes, he will have problems because of his OL, but he at least seems to know how to hit the timing throws. Some of us want to see if it'll translate from pre-season to regular season.

so if he goes out and blows it, are you still gonna blame the QB for the team being so bad....or are you gonna realize no QB is gonna play well behind that line

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/ex-nfl-lineman-49ers-o-line-worst-last-three-decades

so yes....you're making my point for me. we need a QB that can make a quick decision and get the ball out fast. that's exactly what we saw Gabbert do this preseason.

Originally posted by boast:

that article was before the 2015 traing camp and preseason. we watched a much improved Gabbert from last preseason.


Gabbert's 2014 preseason





why do you think a player does not have the ability to improve?

Not saying he can't or hasn't improved since being drafted but he's not gonna have much success behind that line and play calling.

I hope he does play not on the fact that I want him to fail ( sorry didn't mean to come off like that) but for the simple truth that the OL and coaching staff are the real problems...simply putting another QB back there isn't gonna solve anything.

Originally posted by boast:
so yes....you're making my point for me. we need a QB that can make a quick decision and get the ball out fast. that's exactly what we saw Gabbert do this preseason.

It's not even just about making quick decisions, it's not even having a chance to make a decision. Kap can't even get into a 3 or 5 step drop back half of the time without some DL humping him.

When the OL can't stop a 4 man rush that's a issue...

Behind this line, you can put anyone back there and you will get the same result or worse.

Ok, for the guys, eg, NY85, who don't want to even see what gab can do, a question:

Just exactly what do you recommend we do? Keep playing kap with one horrendous performance after another, and he has proven this OL does not give him enough time...or do we try gab and see if he can do any better? or do we say , aw shucks, and go find some stiff who is a career backup and then try him behind our invisible OL.? Why would you want to continue playing kap when he has proven he can't play behind a ZERO OL.? And why would you not want to see if gab might be able to play better? Finally if you don't like #1 or #2, why would you like a guy unfamiliar with our O to come in and cold turkey try and play behind an OL that doesn't block? That's goofy, and choice #2 has nothing but silver lining. If gab can't do it either, ok, then we know and no point in keeping him....or kap. But then we need a bridge Qb, and with all our other needs, in particular a franchise Qb, a new bridge qb sounds like a really bad idea.

Seriously, what is your suggestion? Just being negative in finding out information seems silly.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Behind this line, you can put anyone back there and you will get the same result or worse.

That's fine, all the better reason to play him. All these people saying he's bad so don't play him. They should play him, see how bad he plays behind the oline. Then Niners can say "well damn, we really need a better back up qb". You Kap groupies need to read between the lines. We want Gab to start to see what we have. No point in having a back up qb who can't do jack sh!#. No one is saying Gab is better than Kap. We just need to know if we should move on from Gab as a back up qb.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Behind this line, you can put anyone back there and you will get the same result or worse.

So the answer is to put the cheapest QB back there. If all the QBs are going to suck, might as well spend the most money on other positions.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Ok, for the guys, eg, NY85, who don't want to even see what gab can do, a question:

Just exactly what do you recommend we do? Keep playing kap with one horrendous performance after another, and he has proven this OL does not give him enough time...or do we try gab and see if he can do any better? or do we say , aw shucks, and go find some stiff who is a career backup and then try him behind our invisible OL.? Why would you want to continue playing kap when he has proven he can't play behind a ZERO OL.? And why would you not want to see if gab might be able to play better? Finally if you don't like #1 or #2, why would you like a guy unfamiliar with our O to come in and cold turkey try and play behind an OL that doesn't block? That's goofy, and choice #2 has nothing but silver lining. If gab can't do it either, ok, then we know and no point in keeping him....or kap. But then we need a bridge Qb, and with all our other needs, in particular a franchise Qb, a new bridge qb sounds like a really bad idea.

Seriously, what is your suggestion? Just being negative in finding out information seems silly.

Hate to answer your question with a question (and I promise I will answer address this post afterwards).....

But I assume you were one of the "Start Carr guys" when Alex was playing terrible football. Am I right?

No.

No? Then why are you doing the exact opposite now? Everything that you wrote could apply 100% to the situation I just asked you about. Yet you were on the other side then.

I said the same thing then I say now and have been saying for 2 yrs. We need two new OL in first rd in draft and then Mack or pouncey in FA. Nobody is arguing the OL isn't the problem. Kap can't deal with it. Maybe gab can't either. But do you know for sure? I sure don't. I would like to know. The lack of any OL pass pro is just deadly for kap. He can't get the ball gone quick enough. He can't. Maybe gab looks as bad, maybe worse. But why not find out? Unless the guys saying no are just kap die hards, and that is it. Nothing else. Just kap. I am looking for an answer, and in all truth, don't expect gab to do much if any better. But here's a thot: what if he does, and can get the passes gone under 1.8 seconds. My question and that of others is "why not find out?" The worst thing that can happen is that we find out gab can't be a bridge Qb either. How can someone be against that?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Ok, for the guys, eg, NY85, who don't want to even see what gab can do, a question:

Just exactly what do you recommend we do? Keep playing kap with one horrendous performance after another, and he has proven this OL does not give him enough time...or do we try gab and see if he can do any better? or do we say , aw shucks, and go find some stiff who is a career backup and then try him behind our invisible OL.? Why would you want to continue playing kap when he has proven he can't play behind a ZERO OL.? And why would you not want to see if gab might be able to play better? Finally if you don't like #1 or #2, why would you like a guy unfamiliar with our O to come in and cold turkey try and play behind an OL that doesn't block? That's goofy, and choice #2 has nothing but silver lining. If gab can't do it either, ok, then we know and no point in keeping him....or kap. But then we need a bridge Qb, and with all our other needs, in particular a franchise Qb, a new bridge qb sounds like a really bad idea.

Seriously, what is your suggestion? Just being negative in finding out information seems silly.

Hate to answer your question with a question (and I promise I will answer address this post afterwards).....

But I assume you were one of the "Start Carr guys" when Alex was playing terrible football. Am I right?

Nope, pasodoc has been a big supporter of Alex Smith, I know this because I was one of the guys against drafting Alex Smith.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I said the same thing then I say now and have been saying for 2 yrs. We need two new OL in first rd in draft and then Mack or pouncey in FA. Nobody is arguing the OL isn't the problem. Kap can't deal with it. Maybe gab can't either. But do you know for sure? I sure don't. I would like to know. The lack of any OL pass pro is just deadly for kap. He can't get the ball gone quick enough. He can't. Maybe gab looks as bad, maybe worse. But why not find out? Unless the guys saying no are just kap die hards, and that is it. Nothing else. Just kap. I am looking for an answer, and in all truth, don't expect gab to do much if any better. But here's a thot: what if he does, and can get the passes gone under 1.8 seconds. My question and that of others is "why not find out?" The worst thing that can happen is that we find out gab can't be a bridge Qb either. How can someone be against that?

I told you I would answer your original question but I am just so fascinated by the fact that this EXACT situation happened in 2010 with Alex Smith, and according to your self admission (which has been verified by Kolohe), you were on the complete opposite side of the argument back then. Obviously, your opinions on the two almost identical situations were swayed by your love for one QB and your dislike for the other. There is absolutely no other way to explain it.

Nope, I say keep Kap and instead find three new players to play at center, RG and RT who are capable of playing at competent NFL level. This is the first issue that needs to be addressed. If Kap still has issues when he has more three seconds before getting blown-up the f@#k up than go with Gabbert, but let's not overlook the epic fail the center and right side of the oline has been this year.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by captveg:
Kap w/ 8 incompletions in 13 attempts vs. Gabbert w/ 5 incompletions in 28 attempts. Pretty much how I remembered it.

Yes, he will have problems because of his OL, but he at least seems to know how to hit the timing throws. Some of us want to see if it'll translate from pre-season to regular season.

so if he goes out and blows it, are you still gonna blame the QB for the team being so bad....or are you gonna realize no QB is gonna play well behind that line

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/ex-nfl-lineman-49ers-o-line-worst-last-three-decades

so yes....you're making my point for me. we need a QB that can make a quick decision and get the ball out fast. that's exactly what we saw Gabbert do this preseason.

And that is why Gabbert is the logical choice right now. He has shown he can get the ball out quickly and not have to scramble around waiting for the perfect moment to release it.

I recall the 1981 Super Bowl team where Montana was playing behind a very mediocre OL. No Pro Bowlers on that line. In fact, one of them, Dan Audick the LEFT TACKLE was a mental case that was often so anxiety-driven that it was reported he would pee his pants before a big game. The next year the 49ers drafted Bubba Paris and Audick never played again. Walsh used the quick passing game and Montana's ability to get the ball out quickly to offset the grave weaknesses of that OL...and they won the first of five rings.