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Originally posted by TonyStarks:
So now that its over and done. What are we looking at OLB wise?


Brooks and Lynch? Not as great as Aldumb but not as bad as say,Ulbrich and co.

Thats one hell of a spectrum.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Most teams don't have ONE good pass rusher...we have Brooks, Lynch & Dockett just to start. Throw in HUGE upside in Harold and Carradine inside? That's 5 right there. And don't underestimate the rest of the DL to provide some pressure and Mangini to scheme additional pressure. But yeah, sure would have been nice.

Good post, NCommand. You're right on...I can tell from reading your posts over the past few years you watch, pay attention, and know football (not just the Niners). Some of these guys in this forum that say you're too positive or are just drinking the Kool-Aid either don't really know this team (i.e., haven't been watching every game & every play, reading daily about the team, etc.) or just don't know that much about football. A lot of teams don't have one good pass rusher as you mention...and some teams just have one or two. The names you mention on the Niners, Brooks, Lynch, Dockett, etc., all have known pass rushing abilities (Harold and Carradine have shown it more at the college level, but Carradine starting showing more last year as his knowledge of the scheme and playing time increased).

Would we like to have had Aldon this year as one of the league's best pass rushing threats and good at playing the run, where opponents have to account for him whenever he's on the field? Of course we would. However, it's not happening now or going forward - this team went nine games without him on the field last year and the D still held up pretty good as a Top 10 D in the league. That was also with no Bow, Willis and Brock hurt much of the year, Dorsey, Ian Williams, and others hurt, Cowboy playing hurt/with one arm as he said, and McDonald having his situation. It's going to be a challenging year with all the changes, no doubt about it. Yet with all the young and older talent on this team from top to bottom, I'm looking forward to it.

Thanks man...Mangini will have to be a bit more Mangenius now with how he dials up pressure and who he moves around to generate pressure and like you said, others are flat out going to have to step up. Period. I'm still very confident in the depth and rotation. Perhaps Mangini will utilize some more 4-man DL sets to get additional pressure inside with Carradine and Dockett. Still lots of chess pieces to work with even though he did just lose his Queen.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Silver lining? We finished top 5 in defense last year...BUT finished 21st (Seattle 20th) in team sacks with only 36 and that was with Aldon on the field for the final 7 games. Maybe we're overvaluing sacks a bit? Sack leaders were: Buffalo, Philadelphia, Baltimore, NY Giants, Kansas City, NY Jets, Jacksonville, Detroit, etc. and most of those teams had one HUGE year by one sack artist.

That's an interesting little tidbit, NC. Sacks numbers by themselves can be a bit overrated. It's more important to get consistent pass-rush from the defense and disrupt the passing game rhythm/timing. That's something I appreciated about PFF pass rusher grades, they factored in pressures just as much, if not more, than the number of sacks. Seattle was 20th in sacks, but everyone who played them knows they could be ferocious rushing the QB.

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
So now that its over and done. What are we looking at OLB wise?


Brooks and Lynch? Not as great as Aldumb but not as bad as say,Ulbrich and co.

Together they had 12 sacks (1/3 of our team sacks)...from the same position. So this year, they both are going to have to step up even more (Brooks slimmed down and looking explosive), Lynch is going to have to get 100% healthy but he's going to love rushing from the WILL and Harold/Lemonier are going to have to play the Skuta roles now.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Silver lining? We finished top 5 in defense last year...BUT finished 21st (Seattle 20th) in team sacks with only 36 and that was with Aldon on the field for the final 7 games. Maybe we're overvaluing sacks a bit? Sack leaders were: Buffalo, Philadelphia, Baltimore, NY Giants, Kansas City, NY Jets, Jacksonville, Detroit, etc. and most of those teams had one HUGE year by one sack artist.

That's an interesting little tidbit, NC. Sacks numbers by themselves can be a bit overrated. It's more important to get consistent pass-rush from the defense and disrupt the passing game rhythm/timing. That's something I appreciated about PFF pass rusher grades, they factored in pressures just as much, if not more, than the number of sacks. Seattle was 20th in sacks, but everyone who played them knows they could be ferocious rushing the QB.

Agreed, we should dive into that more if anyone has the stats.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
So now that its over and done. What are we looking at OLB wise?


Brooks and Lynch? Not as great as Aldumb but not as bad as say,Ulbrich and co.

Together they had 12 sacks (1/3 of our team sacks)...from the same position. So this year, they both are going to have to step up even more (Brooks slimmed down and looking explosive), Lynch is going to have to get 100% healthy but he's going to love rushing from the WILL and Harold/Lemonier are going to have to play the Skuta roles now.

All accounts say that Harold has been a beast so far during camp. Harold also is a natural leader something Aldon has never been.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
All accounts say that Harold has been a beast so far during camp. Harold also is a natural leader something Aldon has never been.

One of my favorite qualities about Harold. Natural born leader, in addition to being a talented pass rusher. Rooting for this kid to be a star.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
All accounts say that Harold has been a beast so far during camp. Harold also is a natural leader something Aldon has never been.

One of my favorite qualities about Harold. Natural born leader, in addition to being a talented pass rusher. Rooting for this kid to be a star.

I am with you. Also rooting to be a star he might just have to be sooner than latter and by all accounts he is so mature that he can handle it well.

"I can see the future... 3-13 I'd be shocked if this team wins 7 games and I very much doubt kaepernick, his stupid hats and his stupid sneaker collection will be with us for 2016. Having said that go 9ers! I only single out kaepernick because it seems like he may have been involved with aldons relapse (I know it's only a rumor), his overall demeanor still comes off like an immature boy. He makes jokes about Houston flooding while they're still looking for the bodies? He's so f**king stupid and that's his problem, not his mechanics Kurt Warner can't fix stupid because he's stupid too." - donald trump

Originally posted by beatintina49:

"I can see the future... 3-13 I'd be shocked if this team wins 7 games and I very much doubt kaepernick, his stupid hats and his stupid sneaker collection will be with us for 2016. Having said that go 9ers! I only single out kaepernick because it seems like he may have been involved with aldons relapse (I know it's only a rumor), his overall demeanor still comes off like an immature boy. He makes jokes about Houston flooding while they're still looking for the bodies? He's so f**king stupid and that's his problem, not his mechanics Kurt Warner can't fix stupid because he's stupid too." - donald trump

Originally posted by beatintina49:
"I can see the future... 3-13 I'd be shocked if this team wins 7 games and I very much doubt kaepernick, his stupid hats and his stupid sneaker collection will be with us for 2016. Having said that go 9ers! I only single out kaepernick because it seems like he may have been involved with aldons relapse (I know it's only a rumor), his overall demeanor still comes off like an immature boy. He makes jokes about Houston flooding while they're still looking for the bodies? He's so f**king stupid and that's his problem, not his mechanics Kurt Warner can't fix stupid because he's stupid too." - donald trump

your whole thread is baseless, factless, hopeless and useless in my opinion

Obviously, I'm not going to overstep my boundaries. But I feel like in the near future, I can definitely help be 'that' guy, that voice that people will listen to.

49ers rookie linebacker Eli Harold

Doesn't Lynch have some psychological issues too? Maybe he's the next OLB to snap.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Obviously, I'm not going to overstep my boundaries. But I feel like in the near future, I can definitely help be 'that' guy, that voice that people will listen to.

49ers rookie linebacker Eli Harold

When did he say this?

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:
Doesn't Lynch have some psychological issues too? Maybe he's the next OLB to snap.

what, are you hoping? must be some world you live in where you are always waiting for bad things to happen. lynch, harold, corey l. have a great opportunity to team up with brooks