Who was the 9ers' biggest loss this offseason?

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
None of the above

Kind of this. If this was 2012 all these losses would be catastrophic. 2015? Not as big as you think...

Lolz multiple pro bowl players gone but no big losses.

Put down the kool-aid yo

In Back to the Future, you'd be correct.

Put is this way sus...which would you rather have (LOL):

Gore today plus his contract or Hyde/Davis/Hunter/Bush and a new ZBS?
Iupati today and his monster contract with piss poor pass protection and one-trick pony ability (pull block) or a cheaper, younger Thomas with more upside or Boone?
A. Davis today as a fatass lazy Twitter whore with his fat contract or Boone or someone who's willing to slim down, work hard and give it a go?
Crabtree's half-ass efforts and his contract or anybody else who is cable of using a walker?
J. Smith with one arm for the 3rd year in a row (hoping he can make it through more than 13 games) taking up snaps at a high salary or Carradine/Dockett/AA/Doresey
Willis with no feet left (or toe) and a huge contract or Wilhoite starting year 2 next to Bowman?
Borland sitting on his couch watching NFL Network or Bowman back and starting next to Wilhoite?
Culliver's big contract or Johnson, Wright, Brock, Acker and Reaser fighting for those spots at a fraction of the cost?
Cox's big contract and inconsistent play or Ward, Tartt, Wright, Brock, Acker, Reaser, etc. vying for that SLOT CB spot?
Skuta's big contract or Eli taking those snaps and/or the Lemonier who is now getting coached up better and improving?
S. Johnson's contract and unpredictable route-running or T.Smith, White, Ellington, Patton, Dres, etc. taking those snaps?

In some case you may want the latter and that's fine but it's important to stick to reality in 2015 and not that of 2012.

JSmith is still better one handed than Tank/Dial are, if they actually play then ok not a big lose as some say, but right now yes it is, he was a guy who took up two OL and allowed Aldon to get to the QB, I don't see the same from Tank or Dial right now. Dockett is coming off a terrible ACL injury, we'll have to see how much he helps.

I rather have a hurt Willis or Borland over Wilhoite any day of the week NCommand.

Cully and Cox are better than all our CBs IMO, but the contract Cully got was too much, I would have been ok with Cox's deal. Not a fan of Brock, as most know, I never have been.

Davis will hurt, but I was never a fan of him anyway.

Iupati sucked period, terrible in pass protection, and got overpaid, but so will Boone, but at least Boone is versatile.

Skuta earned that contract, he will be missed, but I wouldn't of kept him for that price, hoping Harold plays well.

Crabs, screw him, never liked him, ever since he held out, glad he is gone, hopefully Torrey Smith plays up to the hype that everyone has for him, cause a lot of Ravens fans say he was never consistent, and he isn't a #1 WR.

I would have paid Gore $4M a yr in a heartbeat, sorry but never was, and never will be a big Bush fan, Hyde needs to step up from day 1.

So yes we have a lot of major losses, for people to write these off, cause they hurt, whether you believe it or not, some are upgrades, but most are downgrades in their replacements.

Good post. Agree with everything highlighted above. I am more hopeful about the dline, J smith was a huge lsos but I think the young talent steps up bares the punishment(plus Justin's snap counts were declinging each season and it would be easy to assume he would have dropped from his 65% last year). I really do like brock though and think he is better then cox who really only performed for 6 games last year, and can be as good as cully. The young guys, specifically reaser, Johnson, and Acker make me hopeful.

You not a fan of bush, I love me some bush nomsayindoe

I think torrey is an upgrade, and I think Hyde needs to step up from day 1, but I think he will make the jump.

I think Borland was an overwhelming loss, he could have been great. Although I think we will do fine with wilhoite and bowman.

AD might be the biggest cause their is no one who can really take over at RT other then Boone who plays guard and Erik Pears, gonna be rough for runblocking if we have to use Pears.

I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
None of the above

Kind of this. If this was 2012 all these losses would be catastrophic. 2015? Not as big as you think...

Lolz multiple pro bowl players gone but no big losses.

Put down the kool-aid yo

In Back to the Future, you'd be correct.

Put is this way sus...which would you rather have (LOL):

Gore today plus his contract or Hyde/Davis/Hunter/Bush and a new ZBS?
Iupati today and his monster contract with piss poor pass protection and one-trick pony ability (pull block) or a cheaper, younger Thomas with more upside or Boone?
A. Davis today as a fatass lazy Twitter whore with his fat contract or Boone or someone who's willing to slim down, work hard and give it a go?
Crabtree's half-ass efforts and his contract or anybody else who is cable of using a walker?
J. Smith with one arm for the 3rd year in a row (hoping he can make it through more than 13 games) taking up snaps at a high salary or Carradine/Dockett/AA/Doresey
Willis with no feet left (or toe) and a huge contract or Wilhoite starting year 2 next to Bowman?
Borland sitting on his couch watching NFL Network or Bowman back and starting next to Wilhoite?
Culliver's big contract or Johnson, Wright, Brock, Acker and Reaser fighting for those spots at a fraction of the cost?
Cox's big contract and inconsistent play or Ward, Tartt, Wright, Brock, Acker, Reaser, etc. vying for that SLOT CB spot?
Skuta's big contract or Eli taking those snaps and/or the Lemonier who is now getting coached up better and improving?
S. Johnson's contract and unpredictable route-running or T.Smith, White, Ellington, Patton, Dres, etc. taking those snaps?

In some case you may want the latter and that's fine but it's important to stick to reality in 2015 and not that of 2012.

JSmith is still better one handed than Tank/Dial are, if they actually play then ok not a big lose as some say, but right now yes it is, he was a guy who took up two OL and allowed Aldon to get to the QB, I don't see the same from Tank or Dial right now. Dockett is coming off a terrible ACL injury, we'll have to see how much he helps.

I rather have a hurt Willis or Borland over Wilhoite any day of the week NCommand.

Cully and Cox are better than all our CBs IMO, but the contract Cully got was too much, I would have been ok with Cox's deal. Not a fan of Brock, as most know, I never have been.

Davis will hurt, but I was never a fan of him anyway.

Iupati sucked period, terrible in pass protection, and got overpaid, but so will Boone, but at least Boone is versatile.

Skuta earned that contract, he will be missed, but I wouldn't of kept him for that price, hoping Harold plays well.

Crabs, screw him, never liked him, ever since he held out, glad he is gone, hopefully Torrey Smith plays up to the hype that everyone has for him, cause a lot of Ravens fans say he was never consistent, and he isn't a #1 WR.

I would have paid Gore $4M a yr in a heartbeat, sorry but never was, and never will be a big Bush fan, Hyde needs to step up from day 1.

So yes we have a lot of major losses, for people to write these off, cause they hurt, whether you believe it or not, some are upgrades, but most are downgrades in their replacements.

Good post. Agree with everything highlighted above. I am more hopeful about the dline, J smith was a huge lsos but I think the young talent steps up bares the punishment(plus Justin's snap counts were declinging each season and it would be easy to assume he would have dropped from his 65% last year). I really do like brock though and think he is better then cox who really only performed for 6 games last year, and can be as good as cully. The young guys, specifically reaser, Johnson, and Acker make me hopeful.

You not a fan of bush, I love me some bush nomsayindoe

I think torrey is an upgrade, and I think Hyde needs to step up from day 1, but I think he will make the jump.

I think Borland was an overwhelming loss, he could have been great. Although I think we will do fine with wilhoite and bowman.

AD might be the biggest cause their is no one who can really take over at RT other then Boone who plays guard and Erik Pears, gonna be rough for runblocking if we have to use Pears.

I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

After 15 minutes of laughing, I came back to the biggest and best point about Borland here.

PS: You can also reach Anthony Davis @TwitterWhore #BoredAsHell #Regret

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

It was a loss because he was a great ILB who made some great plays for us. If he started the whole season he would be in the running for DROY no doubt and maybe a pro bowler.

Even though Bow is coming back, that type of depth and rotation is vital. Borland would likely have contributed this season.

We are now depending on a guy coming off a major knee injury and guys of lesser quality then Borland. This was a big loss.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

It was a loss because he was a great ILB who made some great plays for us. If he started the whole season he would be in the running for DROY no doubt and maybe a pro bowler.

Even though Bow is coming back, that type of depth and rotation is vital. Borland would likely have contributed this season.

We are now depending on a guy coming off a major knee injury and guys of lesser quality then Borland. This was a big loss.

Midget Wilson ended borlands career

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

It was a loss because he was a great ILB who made some great plays for us. If he started the whole season he would be in the running for DROY no doubt and maybe a pro bowler.

Even though Bow is coming back, that type of depth and rotation is vital. Borland would likely have contributed this season.

We are now depending on a guy coming off a major knee injury and guys of lesser quality then Borland. This was a big loss.

Midget Wilson ended borlands career

How he went out doesn't change the fact that it is a big loss.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

It was a loss because he was a great ILB who made some great plays for us. If he started the whole season he would be in the running for DROY no doubt and maybe a pro bowler.

Even though Bow is coming back, that type of depth and rotation is vital. Borland would likely have contributed this season.

We are now depending on a guy coming off a major knee injury and guys of lesser quality then Borland. This was a big loss.

Midget Wilson ended borlands career

How he went out doesn't change the fact that it is a big loss.

Dude can't take a hit, it's a blessing in disguise. Lose him now or lose him in the middle of the season when we were depending on him

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

It was a loss because he was a great ILB who made some great plays for us. If he started the whole season he would be in the running for DROY no doubt and maybe a pro bowler.

Even though Bow is coming back, that type of depth and rotation is vital. Borland would likely have contributed this season.

We are now depending on a guy coming off a major knee injury and guys of lesser quality then Borland. This was a big loss.

Midget Wilson ended borlands career

How he went out doesn't change the fact that it is a big loss.

Dude can't take a hit, it's a blessing in disguise. Lose him now or lose him in the middle of the season when we were depending on him

Matts have both stated that they heard from many scouts that there was legit concern over Borland's longevity. I think Baalke always saw him as a valuable backup. That said, his heart wasn't in it, so next man up. A guy who's willing to quit football after one year, over an injury he didn't suffer from, can simply go. We'll be fine. If Bow is healthy (only really one injury), we'll never even feel the loss.

Brandon Lloyd

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

None of the above

Kind of this. If this was 2012 all these losses would be catastrophic. 2015? Not as big as you think...

Lolz multiple pro bowl players gone but no big losses.

Put down the kool-aid yo

In Back to the Future, you'd be correct.

Put is this way sus...which would you rather have (LOL):

Gore today plus his contract or Hyde/Davis/Hunter/Bush and a new ZBS?
Iupati today and his monster contract with piss poor pass protection and one-trick pony ability (pull block) or a cheaper, younger Thomas with more upside or Boone?
A. Davis today as a fatass lazy Twitter whore with his fat contract or Boone or someone who's willing to slim down, work hard and give it a go?
Crabtree's half-ass efforts and his contract or anybody else who is cable of using a walker?
J. Smith with one arm for the 3rd year in a row (hoping he can make it through more than 13 games) taking up snaps at a high salary or Carradine/Dockett/AA/Doresey
Willis with no feet left (or toe) and a huge contract or Wilhoite starting year 2 next to Bowman?
Borland sitting on his couch watching NFL Network or Bowman back and starting next to Wilhoite?
Culliver's big contract or Johnson, Wright, Brock, Acker and Reaser fighting for those spots at a fraction of the cost?
Cox's big contract and inconsistent play or Ward, Tartt, Wright, Brock, Acker, Reaser, etc. vying for that SLOT CB spot?
Skuta's big contract or Eli taking those snaps and/or the Lemonier who is now getting coached up better and improving?
S. Johnson's contract and unpredictable route-running or T.Smith, White, Ellington, Patton, Dres, etc. taking those snaps?

In some case you may want the latter and that's fine but it's important to stick to reality in 2015 and not that of 2012.

You homer.

Also my 2¢... it's Anthony Davis and it's not even close. Pro Bowl caliber right tackles are not easy to find. Just ask my boy Kwame.

Originally posted by NickSh49:
Also my 2¢... it's Anthony Davis and it's not even close. Pro Bowl caliber right tackles are not easy to find. Just ask my boy Kwame.

Hey, you leave Kwame out of this, man! http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/57338-49er-photoshop-thread-aka-greatest-niner-ever/

Originally posted by NickSh49:
You homer.

Shhhhhh!

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Also my 2¢... it's Anthony Davis and it's not even close. Pro Bowl caliber right tackles are not easy to find. Just ask my boy Kwame.

The way it is right now..if kwame was on the team..his leadership is irreplaceable and its Tomsula's fault

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

Boreland was a HUGE loss. That dude was making 17 to 18 tackles a game and was Lights out and always around the ball. He will be sorely missed. I understand Navorro is back but will he be the Bowman of old or will Michael Wilhoite step up?

"None of the above"

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I don't get why everyone feels Borland was this huge loss. He played well and made tons of tackles, but he was a liability in pass coverage, and he played the same position as Bowman. Neither of those two play on the strong side, and both are better at playing around tackles than through them. He would've been great insurance in case Bowman went down, but that's it. Plus, he f@cking quit, so f@ck 'im.

Willis is the guy who could've started next to Bowman. He wouldn't have been super-speed Pat, but he still would've been that badass knocking RBs dicks off at the POA. Miss him a ton. Miss his hits, miss his heart, miss the guts and nuts it takes to stop a OL in his tracks.

Boreland was a HUGE loss. That dude was making 17 to 18 tackles a game and was Lights out and always around the ball. He will be sorely missed. I understand Navorro is back but will he be the Bowman of old or will Michael Wilhoite step up?

It's 'Borland.' But yes, if Bowman wasn't good to go, how epic would it be to have Borland as insurance? The TED linebacker is best known as your thumper...your "defensive fullback." Wilhoite is our TED...his job is to blow up blockers in the hole and try and free up Bowman or Borland to rack up all those tackles. Borland would make for a terrible plugger. His strength is to be free and seek-and-destroy by using his instincts. Obviously his body could barely handle the MIKE...imagine him being the TED and taking on OG's, FB's, T's, etc. in the holes time and time and time again for 16 games. It just wouldn't work at all and it would be a waste to move Bowman over to the TED IMHO. Obviously it all comes down to Bowman's health and Wilhoite continuing to ascend in year 2 as a starter...I like the depth behind them though...Wheeler is proven, Skov's been working hard for two years now, Moody is another "robber" hybrid ILB/ST like Tartt who also plays well on ST's and Wheeler, Bishop and Bellore are all experienced proven players with Bellore also being a ST ace.

TED: Michael Wilhoite; Philip Wheeler, Shayne Skov & Nick Bellore
MIKE: Navarro Bowman; Nick Moody, Desmond Bishop & Marcus Rush

Bowman and Wilhoite could end up being a very good duo together and compliment each other's skill sets and specific roles they both play in our 3-4. Also, most likely, Tartt will play the robber role in many passing downs taking either Bowman or Wilhoite off the field for better coverage and to be that enforcer in the middle of the field.

In short, Borland is a loss at backup MIKE b/c he was young, proven in that role and had a ton of upside and provided insurance for Bowman. But like WRATH noted, given his skill set, it isn't as big of a loss at first glance IF Bowman is healthy and playing close to his normal abilities (130-170 tackles).