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Originally posted by xberesx:
Our Corners are a giant ? Hopefully Johnson and Brock play well because I think Cook and Wright are terrible

Our backfield is a ? too. Bush is getting old and who knows what hyde will be.
giants or midgets, I don't care. The 49ers compete in american football and not in high jump. The main responsibility of any and every CB is to cover his opponent...you don't need to be a giant to achieve this goal.

Hyde is a 2nd-round pick in 2014, was viewed as the best back in last year's draft by some sources. We've drafted his backup in round 4. Bush's backup is Hunter for now. I would have liked to get Trey Williams through UDFA and let him compete with Hunter, though they are not VERY similiar.

But that's about it. We are fine in the backfield for 2015.
After the firings, retirements and quitting I was hoping there would be some Wow factor to lift the spirits of the fans. There wasn't, guess we will have to wait and see how the season unfolds. Kap's progress is the key to the franchise.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
I just don't understand how people are satisfied with our WR situation. Elite WRs (the Julios, Alshons, and Dezes of the league) are what make dangerous offensive teams dangerous. We have nothing close to elite talent at that position, and I don't feel like we're even trying to fix that.
This is not true. The Cowboys became a playoff contender in 2014 because they established one of the best o-lines in the NFL. And with this achievement, they also improved their running game which freed up the WRs a lot more than before.
Bears are a very bad example because their o-line and their QB sucked for years. Result? mediocre although they had two very good WRs.
Julio Jones is a better example but then again just look what they gave up for him and think about the consequences of this move (e.g. the f.. up defense).

if you want to be successful in the NFL, you need a GM and a coaching staff who are true experts in their fields. Then you need excellent trenches and a franchise-QB. Of course, you need some playmakers on top of that, I won't question that. But playmakers in the skilled positions ALONE won't help at all, Adrian Peterson can tell you a lot about that.
Boldin is great, but he's getting older and even if he's good again this year probably won't be back. And even at his current best, he's not a game breaking player anymore. He will move the chains, but he is not scaring D coordinators.
an experienced WR who can block like non other and catch everything will certainly scare every defensive coordinator.
Smith is exciting, but has never been more a streaky second option. He has not produced consistently in any of his years in Baltimore. Just because he got $40 mil does not mean he's a legit number one WR.
Torrey is a legitimate vertical threat.
Patton and Ellington are guys that we are HOPING will develop into nice complimentary players. If one of them becomes a reliable third option that's great, but that's really the best case scenario.
first of all, do you work with these guys every day? if not, how can you know their ceiling?
Smelter is a baseball player that converted to football in 2013. He looked good in a very small sample size, but is also coming off an injury. I like the pick, and of all our players he probably has the best chance of becoming an elite WR. But that is a serious long shot. And not the same kind of long shot as "any pick in the draft." It's a lotto ticket pick that we got a good deal on.
true but we are talking about a 4th-rounder.
If you want top talent at WR you have to commit high draft picks to it. That doesn't mean that you will automatically get it, but you give yourself a chance. I don't think we're even trying to land an elite WR to establish a top level passing game and that makes me sad.
we tried to trade for OBJ but the price was too high.
I can imagine that we looked at some WR-prospects in round 1 as well. We have interviewed a bunch of them during the draft process. Now, how have you came up to the conclusion that we don't try it hard enough?
Happy? No, I guess not because they didn't get some of the players that I wanted even though they were available when our pick came.

That is not the same thing as saying it was a bad draft.

I think it may work out. I think that we got a bunch of good players or players with very high ceilings. I do believe though that we reached a couple of times (OK - several times) for players that were graded out to be available anywhere from a half Round to 2 Rounds later than where we took them. On the other hand, I have absolutely no way to know where the Team ranked them. They may have rated them much higher, and lets face it, Baalke is a Professional while we are Fans. Yes Baalke has missed, but he has also shown that he has a pretty good eye for talent.

Have to wait a few years to see who was right and who is wrong.

For right now, I am content.
I love following the draft, and know that player evaluations can be all over the place. That said, this draft regarding SF was bizarre and disappointing. The only picks I liked were the sloth RB and the broken WR. I did feel the value for the OLB was good.

It happens... can't please everyone.. and I won't have the energy or interest in moping about it for 3 months.

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Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Originally posted by Truman49:
The 2014 and 2015 draft were the best wide receiver classes in decades and we took a "pass" both years. Very disappointed

So THIS.
we got 2 guy that were drafted but never developed by others. you want to yell at someone, go yell at the people who were here before our current coaches. you got two solid starters,, you HAVE to see what the patton and ellington have got.to pick a high wide out would only further retard their development.
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Originally posted by RishikeshA:
After the firings, retirements and quitting I was hoping there would be some Wow factor to lift the spirits of the fans. There wasn't, guess we will have to wait and see how the season unfolds. Kap's progress is the key to the franchise.

despite what some fans want,,,, we do not do wow factor things,,, we just do things in a very meat and potatoes way,, some of us feel very good about the team so please refrain from saying all fans are depressed or need a lift or whatever
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by Truman49:
The 2014 and 2015 draft were the best wide receiver classes in decades and we took a "pass" both years. Very disappointed
Ellington? Smelter? Tried to trade for OBJ?

Smelter is a very intriguing guy...HS all-state 2 years in football, baseball and basketball; and player of the year in football and basketball. He played four positions in football--QB, RB, WR, and S. Only played two years at GT. Known for his football intelligence, toughness and athleticism...nice combo!

Aside from Smelter, the team signed three UDFAs and signed T Smith and Simpson. That is not ignoring the position.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
I just don't understand how people are satisfied with our WR situation. Elite WRs (the Julios, Alshons, and Dezes of the league) are what make dangerous offensive teams dangerous. We have nothing close to elite talent at that position, and I don't feel like we're even trying to fix that.

Boldin is great, but he's getting older and even if he's good again this year probably won't be back. And even at his current best, he's not a game breaking player anymore. He will move the chains, but he is not scaring D coordinators.

Smith is exciting, but has never been more a streaky second option. He has not produced consistently in any of his years in Baltimore. Just because he got $40 mil does not mean he's a legit number one WR.

Patton and Ellington are guys that we are HOPING will develop into nice complimentary players. If one of them becomes a reliable third option that's great, but that's really the best case scenario.

Smelter is a baseball player that converted to football in 2013. He looked good in a very small sample size, but is also coming off an injury. I like the pick, and of all our players he probably has the best chance of becoming an elite WR. But that is a serious long shot. And not the same kind of long shot as "any pick in the draft." It's a lotto ticket pick that we got a good deal on.

If you want top talent at WR you have to commit high draft picks to it. That doesn't mean that you will automatically get it, but you give yourself a chance. I don't think we're even trying to land an elite WR to establish a top level passing game and that makes me sad.

An elite running game can win late in the year in the elements and the playoffs. Dez Julio and Megatron have zero rings. Last number one WR I remember swinging Super Bowl games was Jerry Rice
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by Truman49:
The 2014 and 2015 draft were the best wide receiver classes in decades and we took a "pass" both years. Very disappointed
Ellington? Smelter? Tried to trade for OBJ?
I'm with you. How the hell did we "pass" on receivers when we picked up Ellington and Smelter? Both were nice value picks.

Smelter is a great sleeper prospect. If healthy, he would've went much higher in the draft, possibly as high as the second round. Besides, the truth is that we don't have a need for a receiver in 2015 (not that you should ever draft for need anyway). Boldin, Smith and Patton/Ellington will start this year. The fact that he's injured actually works out well. He'll be IR'd all year, and he'll have a full year of film study and development under his belt before he heals up. A drafted receiver would've hardly played this year anyway.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
An elite running game can win late in the year in the elements and the playoffs. Dez Julio and Megatron have zero rings. Last number one WR I remember swinging Super Bowl games was Jerry Rice

, we don't need elite WRs', just WRs', that can do there jobs.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
I just don't understand how people are satisfied with our WR situation. Elite WRs (the Julios, Alshons, and Dezes of the league) are what make dangerous offensive teams dangerous. We have nothing close to elite talent at that position, and I don't feel like we're even trying to fix that.

All those guys have something in common.......no SB appearances, having played on largely middling teams. The Falcons sold the farm for Julio Jones, got bounced from the playoffs by the "elite-WR" less 49ers, and their defense went to s**t, now they are on the verge of having to pay him a massive contract.

Calvin Johnson has put up plenty of big numbers while in the NFL, has no playoff wins to show for it. AJ Green is another "elite" guy who hasn't won anything. Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, neither of them ever won a SB.

As much as people want to focus on "elite WR's", I'd much rather have an "elite defense." 49ers aren't going to make it to the playoffs by loading up on receivers and throwing it 40 times a game, they are going to make it by playing hardnosed defense, running the ball, and winning the battle in the trenches. Seattle just made two straight SB appearances without anything even slightly resembling an "elite WR." IMO the need is greatly overrated, I think the Patriots model right now of having a balanced collection of receiving targets is the ideal.
Not really. And it has nothing to do with the players we took as much as what we didn't do. It's not at all about not getting "my guys" or even thinking that the guys we got (even the head scratchers) can't play.

It's that we basically ignored the positions where we lost the most talent and need the most help either to compete for starting spots, provide depth or because the players we are counting on there are unproven and/or coming off injuries.

This isn't a Superbowl team with plenty of room to develop players for the future any longer. This is an 8-8 team in a tough division that lost multiple pro-bowl to HOF level players plus multiple other solid or better starters.

I just don't see how the talent we have acquired this off season makes us as good or better than we were last year. And last year we were average at best.
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Not really. And it has nothing to do with the players we took as much as what we didn't do. It's not at all about not getting "my guys" or even thinking that the guys we got (even the head scratchers) can't play.

It's that we basically ignored the positions where we lost the most talent and need the most help either to compete for starting spots, provide depth or because the players we are counting on there are unproven and/or coming off injuries.

This isn't a Superbowl team with plenty of room to develop players for the future any longer. This is an 8-8 team in a tough division that lost multiple pro-bowl to HOF level players plus multiple other solid or better starters.

I just don't see how the talent we have acquired this off season makes us as good or better than we were last year. And last year we were average at best.

This × 1000....

That's the same question I bring up.

"Were we so good that we didn't need to draft anyone that could make an impact on the team this year"
Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Not really. And it has nothing to do with the players we took as much as what we didn't do. It's not at all about not getting "my guys" or even thinking that the guys we got (even the head scratchers) can't play.

It's that we basically ignored the positions where we lost the most talent and need the most help either to compete for starting spots, provide depth or because the players we are counting on there are unproven and/or coming off injuries.

This isn't a Superbowl team with plenty of room to develop players for the future any longer. This is an 8-8 team in a tough division that lost multiple pro-bowl to HOF level players plus multiple other solid or better starters.

I just don't see how the talent we have acquired this off season makes us as good or better than we were last year. And last year we were average at best.

This × 1000....

That's the same question I bring up.

"Were we so good that we didn't need to draft anyone that could make an impact on the team this year"

Ah. Drafting someone who could make an impact this year? That is what Baalke did last year. Long term planning. This year's players will get on the field sometimes but by and large their impact will start next year.
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